Arlin Troutt, Marijuana Activist, Vows to Appeal Ruling on Arizona Cultivation Limit

Categories: Medical Weed

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Troutt did grow for a time, he says. He describes the day in 2012 that Pinal County Sheriff's Office deputies raided his property after someone reported that he had plants growing outdoors. He says Sheriff Paul Babeu got on the phone to the supervising deputy and told him to stand down. (We didn't check up on the claim.)

For Troutt and an estimated 98 percent of patients these days, however, the cultivation approval has been withdrawn because of the opening of medical-marijuana dispensaries.

Under a provision of the Arizona medical-marijuana law, the application that patients submit to the state must include, "A designation as to who will be allowed to cultivate marijuana plants for the qualifying patient's medical use if a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary is not operating within 25 miles of the qualifying patient's home."

That's the basis for the 25-mile rule. The state Department of Health Services, which oversees the medical-marijuana system, further codified the cultivation restriction in its official rules and procedures. Officials set up the dispensary system so that most of the state would be covered by a 25-mile radius around each dispensary, ensuring that the areas where patients could still grow their own pot legally were few and far between.

The 25-mile rule, as part of the ballot proposition, was mentioned in the press, in DHS director Will Humble's blog, and before the 2010 election, and in the "Analysis by Legislative Council" section of the official state pre-election publicity pamphlet.

Troutt, however, believes that people should have the right to grow marijuana freely.

When he applied to renew his medical-marijuana card in May, he checked the box on the application stating "requesting to cultivate," even though several dispensaries had opened up within seven or more miles from his rural home. A warning popped up in the online application, telling him that dispensaries were within 25 miles of his residence, and that his cultivation request would be denied.

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Arbitrary geographic areas were designed to make most of the state a no-go zone for medical-marijuana cultivation.
Troutt challenged the denial, leading to a hearing that took place on July 23. Troutt made several arguments: The 25 miles should include round-trip mileage, not one-way; the medical-marijuana act merely requires patients living 25 miles or more from a dispensary to designate who's growing their pot, but doesn't restrict them from growing it entirely; that the dispensaries near his home didn't sell the organic, non-moldy marijuana he needed.

Judge Tammy Eigenheer's nine-page ruling doesn't spend much time dissecting Troutt's arguments, saying a couple of times that the state's interpretation of the law is "entitled to deference." She agreed with the DHS argument that if the law couldn't be interpreted as placing a 25-mile restriction on cultivation around dispensaries, the statute's phrase about cultivating if a dispensary "is not operating" within 25 miles of the patient's home would have no meaning.

"The Department's position provides a fair and sensible result and properly reflects the intent of the electorate," the judge wrote, affirming that the DHS has the right to reject Troutt's ability to grow.

In an interview this morning, Troutt fumes that the state's position most certainly does not reflect the "intent of the electorate." He says the intent of the electorate was to reduce "the damage of prohibition" and make marijuana widely available for medicinal use. But he maintains the law doesn't say patients can't grow pot within 25 miles of a dispensary.

He goes off on a critical tirade for a few minutes about the DHS ("racketeering," he says), the Marijuana Policy Project, (he calls the group that put Proposition 203 on the ballot, "Marijuana Policing for Profit,") and the current dispensary situation that includes "bags of cash" being transported due to a lack of access to legal banking.

The price of dispensary marijuana is outrageous, Troutt complains, arguing that it would be cheap enough if more growers got into the act. He plans to appeal Eigenheer's ruling to the Maricopa County Superior Court and see how far he gets.

"I ain't never gonna change," Troutt says.

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ArlinTroutt
ArlinTroutt

Ray Stern called me and asked to do an interview about the court hearing I had on the right to cultivate marijuana for personal use in Arizona. Instead of telling the readers of the NewTimes about how the Arizona Department is screwing us. Ray cut and pasted some old articles to make me look like a Mexican Cockfighting Gangster. Ray you are a pathetic Canary Yellow Journalist and I am dedicating this song to you and your pals at the NewTimes that just can't seem to get the story straight about our right to cultivate and use marijuana in Arizona. https://soundcloud.com/u-s-hemp/the-bitch-next-doorus-hemp-jr-trout1


magzacac
magzacac

It looks as if the actual issue, and a wonderful opportunity, was lost in this cut and paste article by Mr. Stern. Maybe if he wasn't so concerned with making himself out to be witty or entertaining the truth might have been explored. 

The issue at hand is the interpretation of the law as written by people with more concern for their own pockets and less about the intent of the Arizona voters. Did Mr. Stern, in his article, address the fundamental discrepancies that Mr. Troutt has been fighting to expose? It looks more like a smear campaign to discredit and cloud the issue. Maybe that was not Mr. Stern's intent but I don't see what he wrote as informative or in the spirit of real journalism. Maybe he is just a lousy reporter.

Having read the court filings by Mr. Troutt, I find it almost unbelievable this article is the end result of Mr. Stern's investigative "reporting".  The "almost unbelievable" above is because I have read some other "news articles" by Mr. Stern. A pattern of trying to be sophisticated, witty, and superior is evident in most of his "work" that just comes off as plain incompetent when held to any journalistic standard.

I invite all interested to read Mr. Troutt's court filings and the responses to learn about the real issues at hand regarding J Brewer and Assoc. money making schemes on the backs of patients with real needs.

We need real medicine, not mold. We need to take the money out of the equation. I don't need politicians second guessing my doctor... The law is 199 words and explains the voter's intent...it just becomes more and more clear the opportunity that Mr. Stern missed.


magzacac
magzacac

It looks as if the actual issue, and a wonderful opportunity, was lost in this cut and paste article by Mr. Stern. Maybe if he wasn't so concerned with making himself out to be witty or entertaining the truth might have been explored. 

The issue at hand is the interpretation of the law as written by people with more concern for their own pockets and less about the intent of the Arizona voters. Did Mr. Stern, in his article, address the fundamental discrepancies that Mr. Troutt has been fighting to expose? It looks more like a smear campaign to discredit and cloud the issue. Maybe that was not Mr. Stern's intent but I don't see what he wrote as informative or in the spirit of real journalism. Maybe he is just a lousy reporter.

Having read the court filings by Mr. Troutt, I find it almost unbelievable this article is the end result of Mr. Stern's investigative "reporting".  The "almost unbelievable" above is because I have read some other "news articles" by Mr. Stern. A pattern of trying to be sophisticated, witty, and superior is evident in most of his "work" that just comes off as plain incompetent when held to any journalistic standard.

I invite all interested to read Mr. Troutt's court filings and the responses to learn about the real issues at hand regarding J Brewer and Assoc. money making schemes on the backs of patients with real needs. What about the $9 million slush fund in direct violation of RICO?

We need real medicine, not mold. We need to take the money out of the equation. I don't need politicians second guessing my doctor... The law is 199 words and explains the voter's intent...it just becomes more and more clear the opportunity that Mr. Stern missed.


RetiredArmy
RetiredArmy

"Wo das Kapital lebt, kann der Friede nicht leben!" ( Cover of "Arbeiter Illustrierte Zeitung, November 27, 1932).


"Where Capital Lives, Peace Cannot Survive!"


The wealthy dispensary owners (Capital) hire lobbyist who pay off the police and politicians.

The police obtain medical marijuana cards under false pretenses, and then make false statements to entrape their victims, the sick and disabled, using self seving interpations of the law.

The police then put on their black masks and proceed to use Extreme Violence, Torture, and RAPE against patients just to feed their ego, and maybe get some of the DEA blood money that they are addicted too.


In this state where the police are controlled by political parasites that are sucking the life and money out  of this state, for their own benefit, actually call them selves free market capitalists. This while they pass legislation that benefits the few at the expense of the many. It's bad enough that these parasites are working against the health and welfare of all the people of Arizona but I really find it obscene that they are working against the health and welfare of Disabled Combat Veterans. And these parasites call them selves Christians!! Well St. Peter waiting for you all, and he says your Karma will bring you everything you have worked for.


So while the police and the political parasites wage a war on human decency and compassion, patients are being forced to pay inflated prices that are fixed by a small group dispensary owners.


When the police lie and use extreme violence including rape at the request of and for the benefit of dispensary owners (Capital) then it should be obvious that we live in a fascist police state.

Doug Cleland
Doug Cleland

These people in Arizona think that it's the 1850's. Pot is a felony? Unbelievable.

Deborah Watts
Deborah Watts

I think we should blame US for allowing the Government to oppress the marijuana community. Az. passed marijuana laws and the Government ignored the people's vote numerous times. THAT IS CORRUPT from both parties and Arizona Government.

Deborah Watts
Deborah Watts

In November, we Arizonians get to vote to change an UNCONSTITUTIONAL law. If the 25 mile grow law is eliminated, that would be good. BUT the marijuana laws still are oppressive and UNCONSTITUTIONAL. David West who worked for 2 Presidents..in the White House. Taught me a LAW is NOT a valid or enforceable law..if it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YOUWHO BIGOTS..that means the Government can NOT allow one group and deny another. SO no more tobacco. And that deadly toxic narcotic plant, angle trumpet, can be bought by anyone and sold freely at nurseries. Allows some their rights and proves the marijuana community IS being oppressed and denied our FREEDOM of choice and CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

Jonah Menzies
Jonah Menzies

Ahem. The biggest resistance of legalized rec marijuana in CO and WA states came from Establishment Democrats.

Doug Cleland
Doug Cleland

Until you vote the republicans out of office, Arizona will never legalize marijuana.

Deborah Watts
Deborah Watts

Mr. Troutt, please contact me. I want to help you to change things for the oppressed marijuana community. So that we the people, can stop being 2nd class citizens to even ILLEGAL immigrants.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

The law doesn't prohibit Troutt from growing pot at his home -- which is within 25 miles of a dispensary -- it just says he can't grow HIS OWN POT. 


He can grow pot at his home for ANY PATIENT that lives outside the 25 mile zone, so all he needs to do is solicit a bunch of patients whose RESIDENCE address is outside the exclusion zones, such as the 1000s of Native American's who live on desolate reservations, then become their designated caregiver / grower.


hth.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

 "A designation as to who will be allowed to cultivate marijuana plants for the qualifying patient's medical use if a registered nonprofit medical marijuana dispensary is not operating within 25 miles of the qualifying patient's home."


What IDIOT wrote that utterly unnecessary prohibitionist piece of crap into the initiative?


Seriously -- WHO EXACTLY is responsible for writing those words into the ballot initiative?

ushemp1
ushemp1

The main point Arlin made with Ray this morning was Judge Kathrine Cooper had already made an Advisory Ruling on the 25-mile provision that stated she believed if violated equal rights protections. 

dede
dede

losing a battle is not losing the war

quality and organically grown MJ should be as basic of a right as growing your own tomatoes...Why spend a small fortune on a product of a lesser quality.

Once again  the  ''man'' is going after the small sustainable grower to favor industrializing farming

thank you ARLIN for fighting for us

your my hero DD   

ArlinTroutt
ArlinTroutt

Ray Stern missed the main issue that we thourougly discussed in this interview. Judge Cooper addressed the equal protection violation when she ruled on this 25-mile provision. If you accept the Arizona Department of Health Services interpretation of the 25-mile provision, then that interpretation violates state and federal equal protection rights. Creating separate classes of medical marijuana patients based on residence violates equal protection clauses.

If you accept my interpretation of this 199 word provision as an incentive to encourage cannabis cultivation in the rural areas then it makes sense. Nothing in the AMMA restricts cannabis cultivation, it was decriminalized. We should be talking about Over-Regulation and Sabotage. 

I wish Mr. Stern had discussed this case instead of my facinating past. Read these 199 words that support the true intent of the electorate and my claim against the State. The voters approved the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act 1st to reduce the damage of 80 years of marijuana prohibition in our state and make medical marijuana widely available. This decriminalization of marijuana was based on 5,000 years of organic cannabis cultivation for beneficial medical use. Artificially cultivated marijuana is naturally moldy and requires costly chemicals, electric lights and facilities. I Don't Do Designer Dope in Kiddy Colors with Fairytale Names.

Additionally I never mention sacks of money being transferred to banks. I said that the Health Department had jacked up the price of marijuana in Arizona to $25,000 for a grocery sack of pot and that is what is getting people killed and creating the chaos voters wanted to stop in our streets and on our borders. I said that the Health Department was forbidden by law to accumulate $9,000,000 off the back of critically ill patients. That's what the laws says and that's what I want to talk about. What the policing for profit press wishes the law said and what it actually says is 2 very different things.


Mr. Stern got the bag of cash and banking story wrong. Remember it has been the press that has had the story wrong on the medical value and safety of marijuana for decades and people have needlessly suffered and died because journalists just can't get the story straight. The press has gone along with classifying marijuana use with heroin addiction for 44 years and they are concerned about accountability. 

Please read these 199 words that are in dispute and demand that the State of Arizona and the Press get out of the Marijuana Business.


Thank you Mr. Stern for Your Story now lets tell mine.



dtmac
dtmac

Keep up the good fight Arlin, Equal Protection Under the Law.

AkaTed
AkaTed

Oregon is looking real sweet :) no more AZ the "Racist Wasteland"

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@magzacac ... if the law was written by anyone with a modicum of legal and legislative competency, it wouldn't require any "interpretation" as its intent and provisions would be clear, concise and unambiguous.


Once again the Pro-Commercialization, Anti-legalization MPP fucked the PRIVATE INDIVIDUAL Patients, Users and Growers in favor of the Greedy Profiteering Big $$ Dispensary Cartels.


BOYCOTT the GREEDY Big $$ Dispensary Cartels!


Grow Your Own, or obtain from Private Caregivers / Growers.


Better Prices, Better Bud, Better People, and NO TAXES!


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Marijuana is still 5 levels of FELONY in Colorado too ... including a CLASS 1 felony equal to Rape and Murder!!



jetdoc1
jetdoc1

The ONLY chance the "25 Mile Rule" has of being changed is IF the present plaintiffs prevail in Court.  Since this law was passed by the people, the ONLY way you can change it is by a SUPER Majority in Congress, which you'll NEVER get, OR by putting the law BACK up for a Vote, specifically WITHOUT the language of "25 mile rule" IN the law. We're not gonna get THAT done either!  Not in this state!

ushemp1
ushemp1

Deborah Watts Arlin is on facebook under Arlin Troutt, also had to change the U.S. Hemp page but it is still there.  On Twitter as well.  PM on facebook for contact.  Thanks tons

ushemp1
ushemp1

Arlin's filed motions are on ushempnews.com

AkaTed
AkaTed

@dede Keep your head up Arlin and Billy we are rooting for you :) some are sideline cheerleaders while other's such as yourself Arlin and Billy are standing in front of the firing squad.Patient's in AZ will win this fight only a matter of time 

ray.stern
ray.stern moderator

@ArlinTroutt Thanks for writing in, Arlin. I'm sorry the story wasn't as good as you'd have liked! Not sure what to tell you about the "bags of cash" quote -- if you say you didn't say that, okay, but I'm sure I didn't mistake "bags of cash" for "grocery sack of pot." If I garbled what you actually said, though, I sure didn't mean to. Take care.

Ray 

AkaTed
AkaTed

@ArlinTroutt Mr Stern is a Hero :) only person in Media that is willing to stand up for what is right again thank you for doing what right 


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@AkaTed ... while self-defeating stoners in Colorado, Arizona and elsewhere claim "victory" over a pathetic ounce or two, and a few plants, Oregon legalized year ago 24 (twenty four) Plants and 24 ounces ( a POUND AND A HALF ) per patient !! ... all via private unregulated independent caregivers / growers / patients.


Fuck the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels and their overpriced, overtaxed, government controlled warehouse schwag.







AkaTed
AkaTed

Support Arlin Trout and Billy Hayes who are fighting for patient's not the loud mouth in the media.I'm going to love it when I read Billy Hayes won a HUGE lawsuit against PHX PD and Az Department of Health aka Sherman and Howard law firm and there 1,000 dollar suit's

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jetdoc1 ... THE PEOPLE voted for a 1963 Square Mile exclusion zone around every Commercial dispensary, THE PEOPLE DESERVE a 1963 square mile exclusion zone around every commercial dispensary!


Imagine if McDonalds and BurgerKing were able to convince a majority of really stupid Arizona voters -- typical -- to agree that no private resident could make or cook their own hamburgers anywhere within 25 miles of any fast-food burger franchise.


Only Arizona could produce voters stupid enough to agree to such a self-defeating idiocy.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@ushemp1 ... fyi, Debby is a bit ... how shall we say ... nuts.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@ushemp1 ... WHO, exactly, in the MPP wrote that specific PROHIBITIONIST anti-patient, anti-caregiver, pro Big $$ Dispensary Cartel provision.


Identify the Enemy!

ushemp1
ushemp1

@ray.stern @ArlinTroutt I don't think you meant to garble what I said, you just didn't listen and report what I said. You have a sensational agenda. This issue of creating unequal classes of medical marijuana patients with this idiotic interpretation of the 25-mile provision was the crux of our conversation and didn't have anything to do with cockfighting in Mexico or 20 year old cryptic misquotes by other journalists that are more interested in a sensational story than the information we need to  maintain a democratic society. 

What I said about the sack of pot costing 25,000 was in reference to the deadly dangers of inflating the price of a weed that should cost about the same as a tomato without the policing for profit press. Our laws and the press are supposed to protect us and unite us with common logic.

So lets talk about the law that you printed in this article and you tell me where you could get a cultivation prohibition out of a request for a patient to tell the State the person's name that they "prefer and designate" to cultivate marijuana for them. Don't tell me what you and Will Humble wish it says. Simply print what it says without your spin and what I filed in court. There ain't a damn thing about flying like a crow or putting a artificial marijuana dispensary on every mountain top in Arizona in the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act. 

Stop playing games with the English Language, the Law, the voters and the truth for the sake of Revenue and a sensational story.

The People of the United States and Arizona are sick of these Reefer Revenue Racketeers and the Media that covers up the truth about what's really going on in these courtrooms. 

We voted for medical marijuana in 1996 with a 65% margin and then had to pass the Voter Protection Act in 1998 to keep the Press and the State from ignoring this deadly marijuana prohibition. The Press and the State are doing the same thing now that they did in 1996. The Press and the State are misrepresenting the will of the electorate and creating prolonged pain, suffering, crime, chaos and unnecessary death. So cut the crap.

Your Friend,

Arlin Troutt

ushemp1
ushemp1

@AkaTed FYI Other stations called Arlin-he choose to do his interview with Ray

AkaTed
AkaTed

@DonkeyHotay @AkaTed A state where they actually embrace legalization and MMJ has not been a priority for cops for 30 years plus..Also ounces should be capped at $140-160 estimate LMAO SUCK it Colorado and Washington 



SeedyWard
SeedyWard

@AkaTed Sorry, not quite sure I follow that. Care to elaborate & maybe use a spell checker? I'm on your side, BTW (I think).

jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@DonkeyHotay @jetdoc1 That wasn't just done arbitrarily as some have suggested.  The MPP who funded our initiative for Medical Marijuana and the 25 mile rule came about by the Tens of Thousands of Dollars that MPP paid to run studies and surveys of AZ voters prior to writing the initiative to find out from voters, EXACTLY what would pass in AZ. The 25 mile rule was something that AZ voters wanted!  They (Voters) didn't have a problem with people using Medical Marijuana, they just didn't want it growing in EVERY place possible.  AZ's DIFFERENT than a lot of States...  They're actually VERY Midwestern!  They don't care what the hell you do in the privacy of your own home.  Just don't flaunt it in my face.  In the studies, AZ voters REPEATEDLY preferred a law that required a Dispensary model.  AZ Voters weren't going to PASS a law that didn't HAVE a restriction on cultivation.  That was ONE requirement that Law Enforcement was stringent upon.


I don't understand why everyone's blaming the MPP?  Nobody else stood up to put THEIR $$$ where THEIR mouth is, when it came to even putting together an Initiative!  MPP put the money out to run the surveys to find out EXACTLY what would PASS in AZ.  Every State is different!  Look at Michigan!  They HAVE full cultivation model up there, and patients are bitching for a Dispensary model for their Medical Marijuana law. Look at WA!  They don't even HAVE a Medical Program anymore!  Only Recreational!  All these people are bitching about the 25 mile rule.  However, THAT was the ONLY way this law had the support to pass!  Study after study showed that voters didn't mind what you did in the privacy of your own home, but they didn't want it growing everywhere.  Right, Wrong or Indifferent, THAT'S what would PASS in AZ.  That's what DID pass in AZ!


I'm not saying it's GOOD or BAD!  Just that the ONLY way that law would pass in 2010 in AZ was IF there were "X amount" of dispensaries where people could get their medication!  The law passed by >5000 votes, so in 2010 in AZ, the ONLY way that law passed was with a dispensary model.  Today?  I'm STILL not sure if the law would pass TODAY, if they didn't have the 25 mile rule in there and AZ's voters are MUCH more accepting of Marijuana today than they were in 2010. They're well aware of the stupidity of the laws surrounding marijuana.

AZ's got 55,000 patients, and all in all, theirs actually a small minority of patients who even WANT to grow.  Most of the older folks who makeup the majority of our patients, would rather be able to go to a Dispensary and get what they want and leave. Not having to mess with any of the other stuff it takes to grow.  There are those that would like to grow their own medication.  They make up a small minority of patients, which IMHO should ALLOW them to be able to grow.  I don't think it's going to be as big a problem as they're making it out to be. But that's just my opinion.








AkaTed
AkaTed

@SeedyWard @AkaTed Sherman and Howard represented Arizona Department of Health when I sat in courtroom in PTSD hearing with Ricardo 

AkaTed
AkaTed

@SeedyWard @AkaTed Arlin lost his battle with 25 mile rule and Billy Hayes is fighting for the raid on Vapor Lounge.Seedyward I'm always on your side!

Not the best with grammar but I do try :)

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jetdoc1 ... there you go, just spouting BULLSHIT once again.


So where are these "polls" done by MPP that show that without a 25 mile (1963 square MILE!) personal growing exclusion zone, the initiative would not have passed? ... that a 10 mile zone, or a 5 mile zone, would have failed.


Put up some FACTS or stop spewing your usual know-nothing bullshit.


That ARBITRARY, unnecessary and outrageous exclusion zone was just Profit Protection for the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels.


Now go overdose on some "household products", moron.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@ushemp1 ... the INDIVIDUAL AUTHOR of that specific provision in the initiative is public record?


Don't be coy, identify the scumbag by name.

jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@DonkeyHotay @jetdoc1 ROFLMFAO!  You're SO predictable! How did I know the second I confronted you and your IGNORANT, INSULTING, MORONIC, ramblings that you'd turn on ME?  Did you "Unfollow" me yet?  PLEASE DO! I BAITED you for 8 months and you weren't SMART enough to figure it out!  But you're the smart one now eh? :D  ROFLMFAO!  I just so happened to "Like" a comment of yours a couple of times and you thought I became one of your minions and "followed" me.  You even "Liked" the comments I made after that!  You were also actually NICE to me.  UNTIL, Wednesday when you replied to me with one of your "blathering rambles", jokingly calling me "prohibitionist scum".  Which was derived by the "?" you put AFTER your comment. You'll try to DENY it was jokingly done, but again we can see right THROUGH you!

After reading your "rant", I noticed ONCE AGAIN, that what you were implying I SAID, is NOT what I said in the least! That you were BACK to your same ole ways! NONE of the words you accused me of saying, were even IN my post.  They weren't even INFERRED!  Not ONE thing about "prohibiting Spice", not ONE thing about even giving a SHIT what you put into your body. I stated, "(Spice) That shit's got Household chemicals in it. I don't want anything to do with that shit. (Spice)" After I responded to you're "blathering rambles", all of a sudden I'm NOT your friend anymore?  Now I'm a "MORON", a "Bong sucking stoner" as well as you wanting me to "go OVERDOSE on Household chemicals" etc...  You're SO transparent and SHALLOW!

You don't know SHIT about my State!  You know NOTHING of how the "25 mile rule" came into being. I've actually found that you don't know SHIT about MOST things you ramble on about. You just wanna see your words in print!  PLEASE buy a "Word Processor" and spare the rest of us your IGNORANCE. The MPP's polls were INTERNAL!  As would be ANY businesses or organization who was FUNDING an Initiative!  But you've probably never been involved in anything of that magnitude. You just sit on your ass and tell those of us who ARE doing something that we're MORONS, Bong Sucking Stoners etc.. 

BUT, if you knew ANYTHING about AZ at ALL, you'd know that even the people bitching about our law, voted FOR it! AZ Voters had the opportunity to vote AGAINST it and they DIDN'T!  Prop. 203 passed by 4000 votes.  During the process, the MPP WAS told by some groups involved that they didn't want a "25 Mile Rule".  MPP TOLD them, that they'll TRY to keep that out of the initiative but they couldn't PROMISE anything.  They were going to write an initiative that would PASS in what's believed to be one of the MOST Conservative States in the Union. The polls and surveys SHOWED that Prop 203 would NOT pass, IF the 25 Mile Rule was excluded. WHY would someone pour the Millions of Dollars MPP DID into passing Prop 203, then write an Initiative that has ZERO chance of passing?  In negotiations you don't always get EVERYTHING you want!


You must have a SAD existence though, cuz all I EVER see are your MORONIC, INSULTING blatherings.  Not ONCE have you had ANYTHING good to say about the laws that have been passed. " A-64", the voters in Colorado, in your mind were IDIOTS!  I-502, SAME thing! (however I agree with you on I-502, those people fucked themselves)  But YOU seem to be against ANY change in marijuana laws. You want ALL or nothing and that's NOT the way things work. We've made HUGE strides in the past 15 years.  NOTHING is done "unilaterally", everything's always done "incrementally", and MPP tries to get MORE every time they run another campaign.  Sometimes they CAN, some times they CAN'T!  EACH STATE IS DIFFERENT!  Take a look at Texas... Polls and surveys show there that Texans would NOT want a Dispensary model.  People can grow their own if they want to, but they don't want "Dispensaries on every corner" were their EXACT words! 

I mean, WTF do you DO all day that allows you to be so fucking IGNORANT? Have you ALWAYS been this fucking STUPID? You take what people say, (even if it has NOTHING to do with the point they're tying to make) then INSERT your own moronic, retarded thoughts and ACCUSE the other person of saying something they NEVER said!


ANYBODY who can READ, would see that thread and see right THROUGH you!  You are SO transparent!  All they have to do's read what I said about "Spice being equated to Marijuana" then compare YOUR response to me and I PROMISE you they'd shake their head that you're so fucking IGNORANT!


All I ever see is your ass on here INSULTING other people.  Not actually contributing anything to the conversation, but actually driving people AWAY from tokeofthetown.com .  But Hey... If THEY don't care, I guess I don't either!  That's why I don't come here anymore.  THAT and all the "Illegal DRUG DEALING" ads they allow on their site.  You DEFINITELY don't see that shit on other Cannabis websites.  But seriously, all I ever see is you on HERE bitching!  At least I'm out trying to CHANGE the laws in my State.  I work HARD at that EVERY DAY!  But WTF are YOU doing to change things?  All you do's sit here and BITCH!

AkaTed
AkaTed

@DonkeyHotay @ushemp1 Oh yeah and your informant Ken Sobel also part of the Arizona Dispensary Association feeding the FEDS BONES

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jetdoc1 "The MPP's polls were INTERNAL! " <snip rest of ranting psychotic blather>


LOL! ... so the MPP arbitrarily and capriciously established a 1963 SQUARE MILE exclusion zone around every Big $$ Dispensary, denying individual patients the right to grow their own affordable medicine.


Show us the "polls" that prove a 25 mile economic exclusion zone was necessary for the initiative to pass ... that a 10 mile zone, or 5 mile zone, or NO exclusion would have failed, you lying piece of prohibitionist crap.





jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@DonkeyHotay @jetdoc1 You can't even read English.  You're a FUCKIN MORON!  There was NOTHING "capriciously done".  I could lay the surveys in front of you and you'd claim they say something else.  You're a FUCKING MORON!  Get used to it!  Out of my entire post, the ONLY thing you got out of it was "MPP's polls were done internally".  If you wanna know what Arizonans think?  Get off your ASS and put YOUR fucking money up for the survey.  Then you can tell me what you want to.  Until that point in time you're NOTHING but a MORON who rambles on about shit you know NOTHING about.  You can "snip rest of psychotic blather" but you can't even be ORIGINAL!  So why don't you take that DONKEY and stick it up your ASS!  I'm done with you!  tokeofthetown.com can CONTINUE to allow you to run people off of their site if they want to.  I myself would BAN your ass so fast it'd make your fucking headspin!  That's ONE reason this website doesn't even SHOW UP in the most popular cannabis websites!  YOU are part of that reason.  People don't want to comment because you're such a fucking moron you have NOTHING nice to say to anybody.  So you stay here and talk to NOBODY!  But I'm going to continue doing what I do everyday.  Working to CHANGE Marijuana laws in my State.  When you VISIT AZ you can start to tell me what you THINK about AZ.  But until then, FUCK OFF you little dicked motherfucker!

DonkeyHotay
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@jetdoc1 "That's ONE reason this website doesn't even SHOW UP in the most popular cannabis websites! "


Why would the Phoenix New Times even be considered a "most popular cannabis website", you delusional dipshit?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jetdoc1 ... so in summation, you got caught LYING once again about the absurdly prohibitionist MPP created 25 mile -- 1963 SQUARE MILE -- economic exclusion zone that continues to CRIMINALIZE suffering marijuana patients who would dare grow and control their own supply of cannabis.


Keep eating shit, it's your best skill.

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