ICE Removes Immigrant Detainees From Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu's Jail

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Gregory Pratt
Cells inside the Pinal County Jail.


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has removed its immigrant detainees from the Pinal County Jail, after the county and the federal government failed to come to an agreement over how much the county gets paid to house the detainees.

The end of this contract is a victory for human-rights groups that have complained about conditions at the jail for several years, and a loss for Sheriff Paul Babeu and Pinal County, which is set to lose millions of dollars from the deal's demise.

"It's a really important development," Victoria López, policy and advocacy director of the ACLU of Arizona, tells New Times. "It's a win for people who have been detained at that jail and suffered the conditions there."

See also:
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The contract between ICE and Pinal County started in the mid-2000's -- before Babeu's time as sheriff -- when county leaders approved a plan to expand the jail, and housing these immigrant detainees to pay for it. The contract allowed for the county to house more than 600 detainees at a time.

The problem was, the per-inmate rate negotiated ended up a losing deal for the county. County spokesman Joe Pyritz tells us the deal has cost the county $2 to $3 million a year. County Manager Greg Stanley has likened it to Pinal County taxpayers subsidizing federal detention costs.

Meanwhile, the jail became the subject of protests and scrutiny from civil-rights groups. ICE has certain standards for such detention of detainees who are fighting civil immigration cases -- they're not supposed to be as harsh as conditions can be for criminal inmates.

The American Civil Liberties Union demanded that immigrants be removed from the facility, after their investigation documented that detainees weren't allowed outside, weren't allowed contact visits with family members, and lived in dirty conditions, among other things.

In 2011, conditions at the jail were the subject of a New Times cover story, which described how immigrants sometimes lived in these conditions for years while they fought their immigration cases.



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CherylChase
CherylChase

Timeline for Cancellation of the ICE Contract as written by Chairman Smith:

February 21, 2014 – Pinal County sent a letter to ICE responding to questions about the daily rate
April 9, 2014 – Board of Supervisors directed County Manager to issue the 100 day Notice of Cancellation on April 15th if no response is received to February 21st letter
April 15, 2014 – County Manager issues 100 Day Notice of Cancellation to ICE setting July 24, 2014 as the end of the ICE contract
May 15, 2014 – County Manager reports we’re expediting a jail “staffing study” to prepare for possible cancellation of ICE contract
June 18, 2014 – Board of Supervisors approves a Reduction in Force policy
June 30, 2014 – Maricopa County approves contract amendment allowing Pinal County to become part of their jail staffing study
July 3, 2014 – County Manager requests that ICE provide a formal “drawdown plan”
July 24, 2014 – ICE contract ends
August 6, 2014 – Board of Supervisors approves an initial reduction of $5M to the Sheriff’s budget as a first step to eliminating an estimated $14M deficit ($11M loss in ICE revenue plus $3M operational loss) associated with the ICE contract
September, 2014 – Forecast for receiving “Draft” Staffing Plan from consultant
October, 2014 – Forecast for receiving Final Staffing Plan

Some comments from me to you...my bosses and constituents - 
It’s time to set the record straight regarding the ICE contract, the timeline involved, and the prudent and wise actions of the Board of Supervisors in Pinal County last week when it was decided to initially trim $5 million from the Sheriff's budget.

Money has been lost for years (regarding the ICE contract and the inadequate reimbursement). This is not an "out of the blue" situation. So while the Federal Government was sending money to handle detainees, we, as a County had to supplement that revenue, because not all expenses were covered. This went on and on, and there is no fiscal conservative that I know – myself included – who can stand idly by and watch this drain on our resources continue. We were shouldering an estimated $50K shortfall per week.

The $5 million dollar preliminary adjustment to the Sheriff’s budget is not only called for, it is an amount that we may look back on and find far too low. We must wait for the study to be completed. One thing is certain, this is not new knowledge to any of the parties
involved. 

As far back as April of 2013, the sheriff created a new at will position to manage the renegotiation of the ICE contract. You would think that anyone who has extensive managerial, operational and financial skills would - as of that date over a year ago - begin to plan for all possible outcomes, including termination of the contract.

We, as a Board, held several Executive Sessions prior to the County’s issuance of the 100-day letter. The Sheriff and Chief Deputy have been involved in these sessions. And it is absolutely not the case that this Board has ever “dragged their heels” on a matter this important to the citizens of Pinal County.

With over 5 years of service under his belt, the Sheriff is no stranger to making hiring decisions. In fact, there has never been “an absolute requirement” for independent assessment by the Sheriff in any of his expansion hires. I have been asked, “Why are decisions to add staff able to be made without expensive studies but decisions involving reductions made necessary due to changing revenue require outside consulting?” That’s a good question and one that only the Sheriff and his managerial staff can answer.

Even before the RIF (Reduction In Force) policy, our Human Resources department has guidelines that would apply here. But the main point remains – nothing about this situation is new – nothing about this situation should be a surprise. And even more importantly, the ability to right-size staff according to budgetary constraints is very basic to any official who wishes to be held accountable.

I feel it is vitally important to be accountable and transparent. And the reality here is that no legitimate action plan was ever offered, or even started on, by the Sheriff. If they now begin to contend that public safety is at risk, this is a scare tactic and this Board has heard it all before. Staff can be reassigned to different places to make that seem like the case, but the bottom line is that $11.2 million dollars has evaporated as a revenue source. A difficult
decision is before an elected official to right-size his staff in accordance with this lack of revenue. It is always hard to terminate anyone – but in this case, the entire County will suffer if our rainy day fund is continually raided because hard decisions cannot be made
at the department level. On my watch, I cannot allow this to happen and that is why I thank you for letting me share the facts with you.

srapplebaugh
srapplebaugh

Babeu is going to have a bloody fit! He will surely scream and cry …. Good move, ICE!

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

Paul has this message posted on this facebook account. I wonder when he is going to change it?


"I am proud to lead Pinal County's finest. Our 700 Deputies, Detention Officers and civilians work hard to keep our Pinal families safe."


I think he likes that number 700 because again on his facebook account look what he stated:


"Visiting the Yuma sector of the border with Christine Jones today. 7 years ago I was proud to be the commander of Operation Jumpstart where we deployed 700 armed national guard soldiers to the Yuma sector. Illegal border crossings reduced by 97%."


All the illegals must have started crossing after he left, because Paul had  this on his facebook account:


"As a wave of illegal immigrants continues surging into the United States, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu supports sending Arizona National Guard troops to patrol the border in the Tucson Sector.


Wow, do you believe it, they are surging into the United States. It was reduced from 97% at least at the Yuma sector when he was there. They need him back there. It terrible the border patrol cannot do their job without Paul Babeu.

Something is surging, but I do not think it is the immigrants. Maybe Paul's EGO!!!!!!!!

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

It sure is nice seeing the picture up above inside the Pinal County Jail with no immigrants in it.

When Paul was Executive Director at DeSisto, he use to disciple the students with abuse by putting them outside on a place called the "Farm". When he would finally open the door and let them out, he would say, "You are Free". It was so sick.

The students still have nightmares.


RobertGraham29
RobertGraham29

Sheriff Joe will gladly take them because he always has room in his tents for illegal aliens.  And if ICE won't pay their room and board, Arpaio shall feed them only bread and water because there's no such thing as a free lunch.

marcy
marcy

Pinal County will just have to work hard to pass some new laws to lock up more people to get their jail filled back up to capacity.


It's just a business decision.


In the meantime, they will learn a harsh economic lesson, losing a small amount on the ICE contract will pale in comparison to how much they are going to lose with all those vacant cells.  


The first reaction of any pro-active private business facing a pending decline in business would have been to start the layoff process and start cutting jobs.  But because they are the government they'll just bleed red ink and the Sheriff will insist it is unreasonable to cut his budget.



vidagam
vidagam

babeu is soooo mad because he wont get that money.... he loved to waste the money from feds. he is pissed of

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Open mouth, insert foot.

Describes baldy perfectly. His own actions just cost Pinal County $2-$3M per year multiplied by the number of years his contract with ICE is good for.

On top of that he just lost, not added, jobs to a very turbulent economy.

Smart move. Kinda reminds me of Joe Arpaio. His racial profiling ass cost NaziCopa County $155M per year.

fishingblues
fishingblues

Damm you Paul, now where are we going to get our next gay lovers.

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

Paul can go lie in the empty 600 beds in his own County Jail. It was his own fault that this happened at his Jail. He had five years to do anything about this problem and did nothing, but say it is his jail and it is the law, no one can touch it. Well, now his detention officers, close to 180 have, no jobs. Paul, cannot blame the board of Superivors, they are all new to the board. The detention officers are not very happy with Paul Babeu, ignoring the problem.that he was well aware of. for five years. The only dipshit and loser out there is Paul Babeu and he is accountable for this happening. Don't use the bloggers as a scapegoat..

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

Its amazing how the dipshits are now worried about the lose of jobs when all alone the same dipshits complain about those profit jails and prisons and how they need to be closed down. It only confirms my belief there is 1 loser with 6 different blog names commenting

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

@ConcernedCitizenAZ 

You have said it so perfectly- it was such a victory for human-rights group. No one will ever know the conditions,and suffering they endured.

I am sorry for the detention officers and their families for their lose of jobs. And the money the County is going to lose. But, you cannot consider them

a business and a profit, they are humans with rights, that deserve their dignity back.

I, too thank the many concerned citizen, activists and the immigrants families for all they endured.

ConernedCitzenAZ, thanks for including me, but, I could not have put forth this information  without some very supportive friends like you and others on here . Thank you my friend. Best regards, Lucy Babeu


danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

Your a dumb ass Robert. Read the article next time. ICE has no problem paying. What they have an issue with is paying for substandard housing..........which is why they are removing them from Boo Boo's jail and giving someone else the contract

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

Of course Joe would take them twit. You did read about the part where they pay to house them right? That would be even more money for him to mismanage and of course it would get him more attention (which he craves more than life itself)

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@MaskedMagician1967 Did you even read the story ? by getting the illegals moved out of there it saves the taxpayers 2-3 million the 11 million they where getting did not cover all the costs associated with detaining them

Besides what is your issue its what you wanted right you have stated many times you are against for profit jails and prisons,, hypocrite.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@fishingblues


Hey you phony fuck, you should be proud to be queer.  You don't have to be queer under an assumed name.  

BFNG
BFNG

@LucyBabeu LUCY,


i want to piggyback on ConcernedCitizenAZ's thanks to you.


i'm in agreement with CcAZ, and on behalf of anyone who feels the same as CcAZ and myself, we also. want to thank you.


we appreciate that you acknowledge us.  however, know that your presence here is a big piece of the effort and perhaps a difference maker.  


just as CcAZ said, we thank you for "your courageous information", but also just your courage to stand up.


we are with you LUCY.



MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

You hit the nail on the head with your comments Zigs. Well said.

marcy
marcy

@john043012 @MaskedMagician1967


You remain as ignorant as Babyboo


There are incremental costs, the costs to house one additional inmate, and there are fixed costs which are incurred whether or not an inmate is occupying a cell


They were "losing" money only when they took the total budget to manage the jail and divided it by the number of inmates.  But they were making money off each of those ICE prisoners based on incremental costs.


With that $11M pulled out they are facing MASSIVE losses, not a cost savings.



MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

I'm saying the money the feds were paying Pinal County won't be there anymore John.

That's a substantial loss for the county. And taxpayers.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Bya ya ya ya ya ya ya...

All you do is babble incoherently John.

fishingblues
fishingblues

@fishingblues 

Am I the queer or you the queer?

Since we seem to be talking to ourselves, either way, guess that makes us both queers

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

Oh poor @fishingblues, you are a asshole under a assumed name, and are you proud? Paul goes by studboi1, he can be who ever he wants.....ha ha

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@marcy So your position is I.C.E pay's 11 million dollars . Please read the 4th paragraph down of this story the one that begins with The problem was.

After reading that and you still insist there are massive loses then I can only come to the conclusion you are an employee of the government working at a low level job that only requires you to show up and sit at a empty desk

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@fishingblues


Having trouble establishing an identity for yourself chicken-dick?  What a fucking mindless tool.  


And shit-stain, you are the only queer.  


Seriously, is this the best you can do?  

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@LucyBabeu


Babs, those of us who are not blithering idiots would use the indefinite article "an" before a word beginning with a vowel.  


You are literally too stupid to know you are stupid.

TommyCollins
TommyCollins topcommenter

@john043012


Like you, I want to know who the losers are who have the time and energy to use 6 different blog names. I just want you to identify them...

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@john043012 you dont know what it will accomplish until you do. if you are right, you might put an end to them, if you are wrong, it will leave you looking pretty bad.

i say go for it, name them off, what could you lose at this point


marcy
marcy

@john043012 @marcy


It isn't "my position" if you actually read the ENTIRE article you would have read this:


"Pyritz says the contract was worth about $11 or $12 million for the county every year."


Yes, they are going to lose substantially more than their claimed losses with the contract.


For the reason I outlined in my response. 

fishingblues
fishingblues

@fishingblues 

Are you talking to ourselves again faggot ?

BFNG
BFNG

@fishingblues @LucyBabeu 


listen, for those of us who know, it's really you who is the "blithering idiot" who doesn't know you're "literally too stupid to know you are stupid":)))


we get it.  you're hurt.  everyone's crapped a giant heap of it all  over you.  you gotta say something:))))


but you sound like a "blithering idiot" talking about yourself again.


it's times like this you should take a nap:)))))

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@TommyCollins its really simple look at the ones who click on the like button its always the same 5-6  bloggers who NEVER have a difference of opinion with one another. Maybe you know 5-6 people who agree on point with everything I don't. 

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@marcy You still don't see that it was a losing proposition for the county . the county got 11-12 million but it costs 15 million to detain them. You used an example earlier of  a building owner raising his rent to off set his cost you suggest he should lose money and just be happy at what he is getting that's where I differ from you. Most of us work in the private sector and any business that needs to generate a certain amount of profit in order to stay in business could not survive using your math. Hey your were the one who brought up using a lease on a building as an example not me. 

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@BFNG 


Wow - Butt Fucking New Guy (yeah, I know you aren't a guy) that was quite a mouthful.  You know what quite a mouthful is, don't you?  

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

If you are still not convinced focus in on the order of the likes notice that after each comment the likes  start with the same blogger and ends with the same or sometimes he or she juggles them around . Believe what you want.

marcy
marcy

@john043012


YOU still don't get it, the incremental cost to house those prisoners was NOT more than what the Feds were paying.


But since running the jail is a money losing proposition for Pinal County they just took the total budget, divided by beds and said that is what it costs per bed so the Fed's share was short by $2M.


But that is voodoo math, as Pinal County is about to find out.


WITHOUT the feds $12M/yr the county is going to lose MORE than the $2-3M they claim the feds were underpaying them.


I've explained it to you elsewhere, let me try again.  I own a motel, it has 20 rooms and my overhead, costs of running the place even if I don't have even ONE guest, comes to $1500/day (mortgage, advertising, security, utiities ..,)


If I fill the place up I need 2 full time maids who cost $100/day each, another $200/day.


But the market price for the rooms during the summer is only $60/night.  I'm renting 5 of those rooms to ICE at $60/night.  But since it really costs me $85/night/room I'm losing $125/night renting those five rooms from ICE.  So I demand they pay me $125/night.  They give me the finger and cancel the 5 rooms and I lose $300/night in revenue.


So am I saving $125/night because I kicked them out or did I just increase my loss to $300/night?


Stick to flipping burgers at Burger King sweetie.

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

@john043012 

It is too bad that Paul's business for profit immigrants are gone. Paul's is going to have to allow someone else in to run a business from  outside of his county. And that won't sit well with Paul, because he likes control. But, if he wants to make the mortgage payments, he is going to have to do something.


fishingblues
fishingblues

@BFNG 

If not, I'd be happy to teach you since I always have Babeu's dick in my mouth when he doesn't have me bent over a table.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

One other thing the insults directed at the people who do have a difference of opinion  with these 5-6 are mostly the same.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@marcy Again using your example of a motel how long do you think the proprietor of the motel could absorb losing money ? there comes a time when a business owner has to cut his loses. Business owner's who try to play  by the rules and then are under cut by unscrupulous ones fail because they cant generate enough profit no less pay for the help you will find this happening all the time when companies bid on contracts .The ones who use illegal immigrants as a labor force will always out bid the ones who don't causing the demise of such competition which eventually leads to the owners closing down business. Going thru the motions doesn't pay the bills  

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@LucyBabeu The vacancy at this jail will be short lived .With the exception of tent city the jails are bursting at the seams criminals are being released early do to over crowding. Hey why don't you  do something criminal today and see if you can get a free scholarship to one.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

There is absolutely no individualism of thought which led me to my conclussion

marcy
marcy

@john043012

They can lose money all summer long sweetie.  But you utterly miss the point which is that incremental costs are all that matter, fixed costs don't.


In the case of the Pinal County jails, if you remove the fixed costs their incremental costs for providing those beds were less than what they were charging ICE.



john043012
john043012 topcommenter

One other thing negative cash flow only works for our government they can simply print more money to off set their mismanagement that does not happen in business. 

marcy
marcy

@john043012 @LucyBabeu

Overcrowding in county jails?  Have you been drinking again?


There is an abundance of beds in the county jail system, the following was from Jan, before Babyboo got a whole bunch more empty cells:


"The six sheriffs said they could provide at least 1,750 beds, which exceeds the number of beds the state has contracted with CCA in Eloy. But the Department of Corrections said it’s not interested in spreading its inmates in county jails around Arizona.

Corrections spokesman Doug Nick said it’s unlikely jails can provide the same kind of education and rehabilitation programs. He also said all able- bodied inmates have work opportunities in state and private prisons.

“Our job is to incarcerate prisoners. If we can work with the counties, we will, but we need to manage our inmate population with our programs,” Nick said. “A county sheriff’s office is not designed to be a mini Department of Corrections. They have mostly people who have not been convicted of a crime as they are going through a trial process.”"

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@john043012 actually John they arent being released here due to overcrowding. the "truth in sentencing" laws are one reason why that statement is wrong. Arizona does not release people because of overcrowding. if the jails are overcrowded they will not just release people to make room for more or newly convicted inmates, they will just start handing out lesser sentences to those who have lesser crimes or non-violent crimes. if you have proof of Arizona releasing people due to overcrowding, could you please provide me with whatever source you are getting that info from?

LucyBabeu
LucyBabeu

@john043012 @LucyBabeu 

Oh, @john043012, you always think you know everything. Pinal County is still waiting for Paul and his deputies to arrest his neice, Ashley Samia for the warrant that was issued in his own court.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@marcy Incremental costs are irrelevant if you cant absorb the fixed costs.

marcy
marcy

@john043012


The jail system is always a money losing proposition, which is irrelevant to the discussion of fixed vs incremental costs.


The bottom line, Pinal County will now be deeper in the hole than there were when ICE was paying them for a lot of cells.


Are you now clear that county jails aren't overcrowded and in fact had an excess of beds before ICE left?


It certainly is clear to me that you don't do your homework and don't understand costs.  Which is why you work for a wage instead of running your own business like I do,.

marcy
marcy

@john043012 @marcy


Incremental costs are never irrelevant.


certainly not to this discussion which involves the cost of providing those beds to ICE.


Stick to something you might know something about, I'm just not sure what that is.  Are you going to apologize for falsely claiming that the country jails were bursting at the seams?

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@marcy  A professor once advised me never argue with a crazy mind. Its you who cannot stick to a point 1st you use an example of a building lease then you use an example of a motel then you the throw in this stupid nonsense dealing with incremental costs when those cost's are only questionable when a business decides to expand. I did not read any expansion plans for that jail in this story.

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