"Chemtrail" Believers Meet With Arizona Environmental-Quality Workers

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Igor Dvurekov
Condensation trails left behind by a plane. Conspiracy theorists believe these are trails of malicious government chemicals.


A community forum actually took place between employees of the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality and believers of "chemtrails."

The "chemtrail" believers are under the impression that the streams of vapor left behind by airplane engines are actually government poison sprays.

See also:
-Senator Kelli Ward Hosting Forum "To Address Community Concerns About Chemtrails"
-Chemtrails: Strong Competitor for Dumbest Conspiracy Theory Ever

Republican Senator Kelli Ward of Lake Havasu City organized the meeting out there in Mohave County, citing constituent concerns.

You can probably guess how this two-hour forum went down. If you've ever spoken to a conspiracy theorist, then you know they're the type to already know The Truth, and there's nothing you can say to shake these unwavering beliefs. Now imagine at least two dozen of these people in the same room.

Several of them insisted that the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality do something about the poison, despite the fact that no one who works at ADEQ thinks government poison spray nozzles are attached to the wings of airplanes. Most of the responses from the two ADEQ staffers that went to the forum were that the agency doesn't have jurisdiction over what these people want, and they weren't scientists -- which helped avoid the "debate" from the people who had The Facts and knew The Truth.

Of course, there was still a good deal of voice-raising, as in the case of the woman who yelled that they're being "sprayed to death" -- a point that was met with applause.

Now, Ward is the one who arranged the meeting, but Ward's also the one who got ADEQ involved, knowing they would attempt to ease people's concerns over air and water quality. That is, Ward wasn't among the people pointing her finger and demanding that someone validate her belief in conspiracy theories.

At one point, someone asked Ward, "In your opinion, do you think we're a bunch of nuts?"

Ward's response was off-microphone, but much longer than a simple "yes" or "no," and actually resulted in some applause.

You can watch the entire meeting in the video below, and be prepared to cringe.



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amerithai1226
amerithai1226

Some of you just won't ever get it, look at what he wrote, disinformation #1 misused two words "conspiracy theorists".  


"You can probably guess how this two-hour forum went down". 

 We can't even get majority of the population to sit up and pay attention, you believe whatever mainstream media and now disinformation NewTimes, horrible job Matthew, has told them.  Golly gee it looks like global warming.  While people's health is deteriorating.  Birds are dying all over the city, but maybe they don't notice them because they are not looking up in the sky for the planes that are not commercial airliners or even private Cessna's, so why would they look on the ground?

Yes driving cars here and there all day is putting out pollution and not even one million cars equals what one plane can spray.  But it's all "natural" &  for there to be no clouds, here comes some planes and walla magically appearing clouds. Not to mention the wild fires that are being fueled by these same sprayed chemicals, the 19 Hot shots died in vain not even knowing the truth. 


Do you ever wonder why all the sea animals are dying? 


So while we have more truth then others because we took the time to open our eyes, step back and take all the corruption in, they can laugh and say the stupid shit that keeps coming out of their mouths!  While their health continues to decline.


Just a waste of time and energy trying to get people to see what is right in front of their faces!  People are dying to get the truth to all of the population, while some can laugh it off.  Makes for a good story huh.  We will never be in the history books for the most brainwashed dumbed down civilization ever or will we?


Now my question to you Matthew,also sent to his tip email, how much are they paying you to flat out lie to the Phoenix people?  Is it worth someone's blood on your hands, because you are part of the problem.  Maybe this is why NT is free.

Pretty informative, not written by me.  So now you will know who is doing it:


On March 15, 2001, radio reporter S.T. Brendt interviewed a senior air traffic control manager with the Federal Aviation Association (FAA) who was responsible for commercial aircraft over the northeastern United States. The FAA manager admitted he was being ordered to divert commercial flights around formations of US Air Force (USAF) Stratotankers. On whether the Air Force jets crossed into Canadian air space, he replied “yes.”

Each of the 650 USAF Stratotankers carries 150,000 pounds of transferable fuel. Each of the 50 KC-10s (refuelling jets) carries about 320,000 pounds. Speaking under strict anonymity, the FAA official said the purpose of the military missions was weather modification.

The particles sprayed into the stratosphere by the big jets act as moisture-attracting nuclei, forming clouds and precipitation. Immediately after the March weather modification missions, the northeastern seaboard was struck by unseasonable snowstorms that confounded 70-year-old residents and piled eight-foot snowdrifts against some homes. At least one fatality resulted due to collapsing roofs.

The FAA traffic control manager decided to come forward after his wife was diagnosed with sudden adult onset asthma following a March 12, 2001 aerial onslaught by 30 tankers over New Hampshire. She had no history of allergy. Their children also suffered severe reactions, including an infant son who was rushed to hospital with a gushing nosebleed.

Similarly, hospitals across Canada and the USA have been jammed in the wake of the chemtrails, with patients complaining of acute gastrointestinal and upper respiratory ailments, pneumonia, heart problems, aching joints, sudden extreme fatigue, vertigo, excruciating headaches, short-term memory loss, inability to concentrate, nosebleeds, sore necks and twitching eyelids. Unlike flu symptoms, body temperatures typically drop among chemtrail-exposed patients. These apparent fungal infections could be caused when aluminum particles bring down the fungi, bacteria and viruses found to be living and reproducing in the upper atmosphere. Professor Emeritus Robert Falk at the University of Texas has also found that metal-munching bacteria “metabolize aluminum” in his tests.

In November 1999, residents of Espanola, Ont. presented a petition to Parliament after USAF tankers sprayed sky-obscuring chemicals. Townspeople claimed that they were making children and adults sick over a 50 square-mile area. Lab tests of rainwater falling through the chemical clouds measured amounts of aluminum particles seven times higher than federal health safety limits.

Back in March, according to the FAA official, the chemicals spread in lingering white plumes by the big tankers showed up on air traffic control radars as a “haze.” Such cloudy radar returns are consistent with clouds of talcum-fine aluminum particles released by high-flying tankers in a process an official USAF study on “Owning The Weather” calls “aerial obscuration.”




MoManny
MoManny

Those weren't chemtrails. They were clouds from all of the meth labs in that part of the state.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

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jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Yes. 


The Ebil Government is spraying everybody, everywhere, with chemicals, while hoping we do not notice. Evidently, it's just as important to spray way out in the desert and mountain wilderness, as it is to spray entire metropolitan areas, and all of the capital cities where all of the government conspirators are based. 


And everybody knows if you spray something into the wind, at 7 miles elevation, that spray effectively will rain perfectly down on all the right people in just the right concentration, 7 miles away!



lennygarbo
lennygarbo

With all of these toxic chemtrails the government is laying down on us, I can't even go outside to spray herbicides and insecticides!

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

here's where i find it disturbing

reading through all the comments, the majority of us find these people to be classic examples of some sort of delusional or mental health sufferers..............a problem many of us should be concerned about.

instead of being concerned..........we are having fun with it

mental health issues come in all kinds and forms. be it a depression or suicidal form of mental illness, or just a sociopathic form of illness (like JAFfy)............we should be concerned and want to get these people help and care instead of using them for the opportunity to try out some good jokes we have (i am just as guilty as most of the people on here of doing it)

if we truly believe these people to be warped or mentally ill..............lets try to address and treat that illness. maybe we can help some of these people and maybe we cant.......but we should try

Damion Gomez
Damion Gomez

Next month: Sasquatch hunters demand meeting with Arizona Game & Fish.

peteykins
peteykins

Meanwhile, psychological associations eagerly organize field trips to Mohave County to study fascinating case of localized mass hysteria.

goodguess
goodguess

for more info on chemtrails and geo engineering see the documentary "what in the world are they spraying"

goodguess
goodguess

you can write these people off as crazy all you want, but remember, just cuz you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.  historically speaking some so called conspiracy theories have been found and confirmed to be the truth. And ridiculing anothers passionate belief is just a petty way to operate.  not hating, just saying.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

thought the funniest thing about this was the people INSISTING that the chem(s) are not in the jet fuel, not coming out of the exhaust but out of NOZZELS fitted on the planes fuselage and THAT is where we get the lines of vapor across the sky, NOT from the actual jet engine exhaust. 

That was funny - In order to make marks across the sky like the one which are created by jet engine exhaust, airplanes would have to carry DOUBLE the cargo load of "chems" and fuel.  Plus, just WHERE do all the planes get their loads of "Chems"?  in the terminals when they are refueling?

It would be completely unreasonable to expect that there would be no obvious signs of them loading these "Chems" on the plane at the hanger/terminals.  All the employees of the fuel companies that refuel the jets would have to be "in on it" so they can make sure to be able to continue the sham. 

Hell, if these people REALLY cared about the environment, they would stop driving their cars cause there's a HELL of a lot more "chems" coming out of the tail pipes of their vehicles than coming from jet fuel exhaust!


This is such a STUPID conspiracy theory - especially because the REAL harm from jet contrails is the carbon and other pollutants put off by the carbon based fuels.

Stop wasting our time and tax dollars with this  bullshite!


submarine1
submarine1

1:05 is Priceless! THEY ARE SPRAYING CHEMTRAILS TO HARVEST OUR BODY PARTS!!!! (because there is a huge market for contaminated body parts)

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

What do you bet that people at this meeting have never been on an airplane or dated outside their immediate family?

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

I noticed in the video that one of the first things the Policy Analyst from the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality said was that Arizona was NOT being poisoned "We do test the water and soil and the test results all fall within acceptable standards for quality".

She did NOT say "We've tested the water and soil and find increased levels of ______________ (insert boogieman chemical here)."  It's like the people in the audience couldn't even comprehend what she said cause they kept on yapping about this chemical or that heavy metal killing them and their kin.  

More likely the property they live on was once a mixing station for one of Bennett's fuel/oil petroleum company sites (or on ground contaminated by Motorola et. al, or whatever). 

dwnonthebayou
dwnonthebayou

To dismiss the Chemtrail issue as being the figment of deluded conspiracy theorists shows your weakness as a reporter who has not done any investigation into the controversy beyond your own personal bias towards the official government story. In the debate about this issue, it is critical to understand the science of the specific upper atmospheric conditions required for the formation of the so called "persistent contrails". Contrail formation requires upper atmosphere temperatures of at least -40 C or below and relative humidity greater than 60% (NOAA). The Sonoran Desert is one of the driest places in the world and upper atmosphere humidity levels, particularly during summer months, are often well below the 60% Rh levels required for the formation of persistent contrails. 


If you want scientific proof of whether Chemtrail Spray Operations are being perpetrated against you, your children, our food, air and water, then you must use the same scientific data that the government uses to deny the existence of these programs, which have been going on for almost two decades. However, understanding atmospheric science requires more than just pictures of contrails in the sky or "knowing" the truth. It requires research and technical analysis of the available atmospheric data. 


A comprehensive and in depth scientific analysis of the Contrail / Chemtrail issue specific to Arizona with numerous examples of contrails over Phoenix during extremely dry upper atmosphere conditions can be found at the Chemtrail Detection and Documentation Project


website WatchtheSky.org    http://WatchtheSky.org



getmeouttahere
getmeouttahere

Chemtrail conspiracies are a crock of shit. That said, if it were actually possible for the government to put chemicals in airplane exhast in such a way as to affect the health of the population, how about lacing "chemtrails" with Prozac? If this farce of a forum proved anything, it proved that clearly there are too many mentally ill and unstable people in this country.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

I went to walmart last night to get some aluminum foil so I could make veggies on the grill and they were SOLD OUT!?!?!


Now I know where it all went.....

BarneyRubble
BarneyRubble

And how much did it cost to send ADEQ employees in an attempt to placate a couple dozen nut jobs (knowing it would be unsuccessful)? I'm assuming Kelli Ward was not elected because of her fiscal ingenuity. 

jbunny
jbunny

@danzigsdaddy 

I agree. But mental health care is a joke in this country and it's generally not a priority, hence the lack of funding. We're a reactive, not a proactive, society. When these nut jobs start shooting up airports, then we'll bitch that no one did anything and why didn't anyone see it coming. In the meantime, we'll continue to make jokes, use words like "psycho" and "schizo" and continue to stigmatize those with mental health issues.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy You can lead a horse to water.. but you can't make him drink.


Are they a concern, sure, they have a voice and that voice can be dangerous....


However their danger needs to be understood for what it is... a small, VERY small in reality, segment of the population that either chooses to be ignorant or is simply ignorant due to circumstances (lack of education access)..


We have to remember that we are less than 1 full generation away from a time in this country where less than 20% of the populace even completed grade school - less than 1 generation away from all homes having electricity and running water/plumbing...


We love to pride ourselves on the great strides this country and society have made, forgetting we are dealing with a population that large parts of it are uneducated or at the very best under-educated through no fault of their own.


All that being said, are they a concern... sure... a serious concern.. no, simply due to numbers, age and entropy... they will die off soon enough and there are not enough of them to be a serious threat... just a nuisance

marcy
marcy

@danzigsdaddy

If you started getting concerned over hearing that there are delusional lunatics out there, you might consider getting some help yourself.


Conspiracy theory dimwits have been with us for eons and always will.


You can't force people to seek treatment.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

... silly fool, Sasquatch lives in the Northwest ... the Chupacabra lives in Arizona.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@peteykins maybe they should be sending in truck loads of psyche meds as well? couldnt hurt............but it could help

BarneyRubble
BarneyRubble

@goodguess and make sure to see the 55,700 google results of "what in the world are they spraying - debunked". Calling something a documentary doesn't make it fact.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@goodguess When are you going to post the 'truth' you speak of???


So far, you and others saying this is 'real' haven't posted any 'truth' other than the statement "I see something in the sky"

BarneyRubble
BarneyRubble

@goodguess Please specifically reference these conspiracy theories that have been confirmed to be true. I'm curious.

marcy
marcy

@dwnonthebayou

I've flown on a lot of aircraft.  Commercial, military and private.  I know a lot of people in the aviation industry.


Without question you are a nutburger.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@dwnonthebayou This is the same nonsense the UFO boys and girls have been spewing - LOGIC rules this world and you ain't got none!

Okay, if a being or beings from another planet devise a ship which can carry them to this earth and they've been coming here for 1000s of years, but they never stop to say Hi, what makes you think they're going to put lights on their ships?  To comply with FCC regulations? Lights in the sky indeed.  What poppycock. 

Same logic:


If the government has a "secret" program to spray some nefarious chemicals on the population of the United States, why would they leave evidence of it for everyone to see? 

You're all so magnificently stupid - I am happy to watch the stupid flow though.


You're not even concerned about the ACTUAL poisons which are contained in the exhaust of a jet using jet fuels - that's what you SHOULD be concerned about!  That and what comes out of the tailpipe of your fugking car!  That's the REAL poison. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel




valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dwnonthebayou Engine temperature and engine type also impact contrail formation and, out of curiosity, what do you think the temperature and humidity are like at 30,000 feet above sea level? Obviously, clouds that form naturally require a much more restrictive range of temp and humidity.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@BarneyRubble 

I have to disagree with you there.  Even though it couldn't really be expected to be very effective, two of the most important functions of our State government are to educate the public and to be accountable to the grievances of the citizens.


danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

I am trying really hard to suppress a laugh on that one

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@marcy i'm not too concerned over knowing they are out there.................but i am starting to get a little uncomfortable that they are starting to gather

dwnonthebayou
dwnonthebayou

@ExpertShot @dwnonthebayou ... it is all a beautiful disguise perfectly cloaked in something you see all the time in the sky ... I can see the deception is working very well on you. 


As far as bringing UFO's into the Chemtrail debate ... your going off topic ....

dwnonthebayou
dwnonthebayou

@valleynative @dwnonthebayou Upper atmosphere data is collected twice daily around the globe by weather agencies for purposes of weather forecasting. Weather balloons carrying sensors called radiosondes are able to collect and transmit temperature, wind speed and direction as well as relative humidity (dew point) throughout the atmospheric profile. A great website with daily upper atmosphere data updates can be found at the University of Wyoming's upper air database.


http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/sounding.html

BarneyRubble
BarneyRubble

@valleynative @BarneyRubble I don't disagree with your interpretation of the what are important functions of our State government. What's missing is discretionary application. I don't want to pay (and I don't want you to pay) for a handful of conspiracy theorists need to barf up a bunch of nonsense. Senator Ward would have better served this limited grievance by perhaps shedding some light on how many victims she has treated for "chemtrails" or has knowledge of treatment based on her vast medical knowledge and experience in that field. On her dime of course. 


marcy
marcy

@dwnonthebayou @marcy

Delusional is what you are.


When I fly in an aircraft that I've personally seen the engine torn down by mechanics who are personal friends, watched the refueling at a commercial refuel station, watched the mechanics take fuel samples and observe contrails forming it is abundantly clear where they come from.  And it isn't from some super secret science experiment designed to poison you and harvest your body parts.


You are pure nutburger.  

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@dwnonthebayou @marcy Clearly, you are the one who is science illiterate.


ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@dwnonthebayou @ExpertShot Tell you what dumbass, I have friends who work for fuel companies at the airport in Phoenix - I'll ask them to provide me with a sample of the fuel they load on planes and we'll have it tested.  These people who fuel the planes think you people who believe in this crap are friggin insane!  They know better - they call you the chemtrail crap for brains.


Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@dwnonthebayou @Flyer9753 oh wow!!! So cutting...


My thinking, even if 3d grade level, is still better and more accurate/factual than your pre-school thinking.. if you even made it to pre-school.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@BarneyRubble @valleynative 

The trouble with allowing the government to decide that "they're just crackpots, let's ignore them" is that it gives the government free reign to declare any group of concerned citizens to be "crackpots".

Yes, some discretion is reasonable, but I'd rather spend money to err on the side of open government.

dwnonthebayou
dwnonthebayou

@ExpertShot @dwnonthebayou who ever said that Chemtrails were sprayed using commercial airlines or that it is mixed with aircraft fuel ? Your limited data set is astounding to me.

BarneyRubble
BarneyRubble

@valleynative @BarneyRubble Again, not disagreeing with some of your argument, government free reign is not a good thing. "Spend money to err" is no less a slippery slope. In this case, The Senators service to this group (read: hand hold and coddle) would be better and cheaper had she chosen to apply her knowledge rather than parade ADEQ employees offering no relief whatsoever in a feeble attempt to placate. If I can assemble a couple dozen UFO nuts does that warrant a taxpayer funded forum?

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@BarneyRubble @valleynative 

Ok.  It could probably have been handled more cost-effectively.   I'm really not able to say what I would have done differently.

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