Obama: Deaths of Vets in Phoenix Apparently Not Linked to Wait Times

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President Obama says the inspector general looking into allegations that 40 veterans died waiting for care at the Phoenix VA hospital does not see a link between the wait times and the veterans' deaths.

Obama made a statement this morning about the state of various investigations into wait times at VA facilities, which have since expanded beyond Phoenix.

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There have been allegations at the Phoenix VA, and elsewhere, that wait times have been manipulated by VA staff to seem shorter than they are. Last month, the Arizona Republic published allegations from a retired VA doctor in Phoenix who claimed 40 veterans died because of these delays.

The inspector general's investigation is still ongoing, and Obama only mentioned in passing this morning that the IG didn't see a link between the wait times and the deaths.

Meanwhile, the VA is doing its own investigation into whether the apparent manipulation of wait times is happening in a few, isolated incidents, or if it's a widespread practice.

"Anybody found to have manipulated or falsified records will be held accountable," Obama said.

However, he insisted that his administration would wait until all the facts are gathered and investigations are completed before this happens.

"Once we know the facts, I assure you, if there is misconduct, they will be punished," he said.

In the meantime, Obama has sent his Deputy Chief of Staff Rob Nabors to Phoenix to find out how to deal with the issues of long wait times at VA facilities. Nabors' job is to report back on how the VA can "up their game," Obama said.

Senator John McCain immediately responded to Obama's address, saying it was insufficient:
"While I am glad that after many weeks of refusing to acknowledge this widening scandal, President Obama finally saw fit to speak about it today, but his remarks are wholly insufficient in addressing the fundamental, systemic problems plaguing our veterans' health care system. According to the latest reports, 26 VA facilities nationwide are now being investigated, and this Administration's ineffectual response has created a crisis of confidence in our veterans' community. We need answers, leadership and accountability, none of which we've seen from the Obama Administration to date. Further, Congress must act to address the systemic problems at the VA by giving its leaders greater ability to hire and fire those charged with providing care, and by giving veterans far greater flexibility in how they get quality care in a timely manner."

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tt081508tt
tt081508tt

One more question if you please. Have any of you good folks know of or have heard someone talk about being harassed by a number of people and complaining their computer and phone are hacked by a very savvy players. not to steal mind you. more like pursue, harass, subdue type a thing. 

tt081508tt
tt081508tt

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE V.A. IS KILLING WITHOUT PREDJUDICE.

tt081508tt
tt081508tt

OF THE DEATHS THAT RECENTLY HAVE OCCURRED AT THE V.A. COULD SOMEONE GIVE ME THE BREAKDOWN OF RELIGIONS AND POLITICAL PARTY. EXAMPLE HOW MANY WERE JEWISH,MORMONS,CATHOLIC,BAPTIST AND  THE OTHER IS HOW MANY WERE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATS OR INDEPENDENT. 

CurlyHoward
CurlyHoward

Just want to say thank you to the Vets and military, that have kept me free!


dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

This is similar to the CPS problem. We hear lots of finger pointing and blaming but it wont get fixed. It takes actual money and more staff to fix it. This is the end result of going into two major scale wars while cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans. 


Unfortunately, the loony republican controlled house also controls the purse strings.

Any investigations will only amount to low level people being fired for following orders.   


The solution to most of our problems is to return to the pre-Reagon tax rates and kill the loop holes for the wealthy who don't need them anyway. 

Cozz
Cozz topcommenter

I have a very close friend that came very close to dying because of this bullshit and then was misdiagnosed after waiting 3 months to finally see someone.  He ended up going to his own doctor for care. After 2 months in the hospital, 2 heart and 2 lung surgeries, he's still fighting for his life.

Just goes to show how out of touch politicians really are with reality.

Fuck the Government and all it stands for.

66rock
66rock topcommenter

And just where was John McCain all that time?  This is his state yet no one ever called his office!  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Why should U$ War Criminals get any better treatment than that received by the 100s of thousands of innocents whom the U$ Military slaughtered and maimed in Iraq and Afghanistan ...


... or Tortured in Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo ?

royalphoenix
royalphoenix

i got the broom, would someone kindly lift the rug ? peace

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Obama holding someone accountable? Half his administration would be gone.

Vets dying while waiting for help is fucking bullshit.

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron! It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem. It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and hiding the problem, and Congress that is underfunding. Obama finally acknowledges a scandal since it predates him. Free passes still for State (Benghazi), Treasury (IRS), Justice (Fast and Furious), etc.

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron! It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem. It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and hiding the problem,  and Congress that is underfunding.  Obama finally acknowledges a scandal since it predates him.  Free passes still for State (Benghazi), Treasury (IRS), Justice (Fast and Furious), etc.

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron! It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem. It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and hiding the problem,  and Congress that is underfunding.  Obama finally acknowledges a scandal since it predates him.  Free passes still for State (Benghazi), Treasury (IRS), Justice (Fast and Furious), etc.

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron! It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem. It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and hiding the problem,  and Congress that is underfunding.  Obama finally acknowledges a scandal since it predates him.  Free passes still for State (Benghazi), Treasury (IRS), Justice (Fast and Furious), etc.

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron!  It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem.  It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and Congress that is underfunding. 

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron! It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem. It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and hiding the problem,  and Congress that is underfunding.

JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

McCain is a moron! It is not those charged with providing care who are the problem. It is the leaders who he wants to give more power that are withholding care and hiding the problem,  and Congress that is underfunding.  Obama finally acknowledges a scandal since it predates him.  Free passes still for State (Benghazi), Treasury (IRS), Justice (Fast and Furious), etc.

DNichols
DNichols

In Phoenix I wonder? Were these Veteran's Deaths related to the Chemicals being intentionally sprayed in the Air by Government Spray Drones?!!

What were the levels of White Aresol, Barrium Oxide, and Alluminum Oxide in thier bodies?!

Look around "We the People" see the "White Haze" all around that we are breathing?

This haze is sprayed 24/7 and it is not natural dust.

Wake up and demand honesty out of our Government "of, by, and for the people"!

This Chemical spraying is causing many of the Cancers, and Diseases killing "We the People".

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@dennis20  


Hey Dennis, when you depend on George Soros the Socialist and his web-log propaganda the daily kos for your information, expect to continue to be woefully uninformed.    

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@dennis20


Larry Kudlow: VA Scandal Shows Perils of Socialized Medicine

Thursday, 22 May 2014 04:33 PM

  • The scandal rocking the Veterans Health Administration should serve as a warning as to what can happen under the Affordable Care Act, renowned economist and syndicated columnist Larry Kudlow says.

"This is not simply a management problem," Kudlow, author of the CNBC blog "Kudlow's Corner"

"This is about a pocket of government-run socialized medicine with rationing and price controls and the usual bureaucratic inefficiencies. That's the problem with the VA.''

The VA is under fire for allegedly keeping chronically-ill patients on a secret-waiting list — resulting in the deaths of at least 40 veterans. Additionally, there are allegations of false record-keeping to cover up the scandal.

"It is not a money problem. The money going to the VA has exploded in recent years. In fact, from 2000 to 2013, budget outlays tripled while the veterans' population being served has actually declined by four million,'' Kudlow said.

"There's a problem with government-run healthcare and [this] should be a lesson to all of us about the dangers of Obamacare and single-payer insurance and so forth and so on."




MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

I hope your friend makes a full recovery Cozz.

I think it's fucking bullshit this is happening.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

I'm sure people called his office 66. McCain didn't bother to respond. As usual with an out of touch Senator.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@66rock  


John McShame ... called "song bird" by his NVA captors for his cooperation.



jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

Hey AssHotey, make yourself a big sign with those words on it. Go down to the front entrance of the VA and shout them. Go ahead. Really. I want to see that.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@royalphoenix  i know right? way to boost patriotism.............by ignoring those who you relied on to earn you your freedom.  what a fine memorial day gift from our government

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@MaskedMagician1967  who would have thought we would get more care and treatment from a field medic than we ever would from the country we defended? i didnt, and i can think of a minimum of 40 other people that are no longer alive out here that didnt either

66rock
66rock topcommenter

@JohnQDallas  Free pass for McCain? He has the most powerful position in Washington to represent all things Arizona.  I want to hear what his office did, what he did all that time! 


Ponder
Ponder

You have effectively negated any credibility in any post you have made, are currently making or will make in the future. Thanks for playing dnichols....you wacknut

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DNichols  

You should learn to spell the names of the chemicals you choose to rant about, so people will believe that you're not just making up words.  And "white aerosol" isn't a chemical, it's a physical description, like "green powder".


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@royalphoenix ... the U$ government doesn't value contracts any more than the paper they're written upon.



JohnQDallas
JohnQDallas

@66rock @JohnQDallas Obama is the one giving free passes, except now to the VA.  The IG has now said it is not a scandal and after a lot of media face time for Rob "Bro" Nabors we will get the official, What difference does it make report?".  Moron McCain does not mention additional funding and wants to empower those already in power. WTF?

DNichols
DNichols

@valley

Thank you  for correcting my spelling.

This Chemical spray is being done constantly above us, all you need to do is look up. 

Most of what is referred to as "high clouds" is man made sprayed clouds which are chemical contrails that can be sprayed heavy or light to maintain the required level of particulates in our air.

All Airline pilots, and weather reporters know of the spray and call it "High Clouds."

This spray was invented in the 1950's, and has been sprayed over the United States for many years.

China shoots the same chemicals into thier air with cannons instead of using polytechnic U.A.V.'s like the U.S. Government is using.

Please do a little research on this actual chemical spraying before condeming the messenger?!

fishingblues_mama
fishingblues_mama

@fishingblues @DonkeyHotay @jonnyquest Now, babydoll, we talked about this. It's not wise to say anything about Veterans when you DODGED THE DRAFT, sweetie.  You can't try to be a badass vicariously when you were struck by a sudden case of CSTDS (Chickenhawk Sudden Temporary Deafness Syndrome) at the draft board. The men who actually served are much better than you. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@dennis20 "The problem started when we, as a Nation, were fooled into believing we could fight two wars without paying for them though"


Speak for yourself. Millions of intelligent, moral Americans were not fooled by the LIES of the Criminal Bu$h Administration.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Ponder  ... if Cozz was 03 infantry in that clusterfuck, then he surely knew plenty of war criminals, rapists, torturers and murderers among his fellow grunts.


Remember the Rule of Law established at Nuremberg -- "just following orders" isn't a valid defense.



dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy @DonkeyHotay  You are right on Zig! 

The problem started when we, as a Nation, were fooled into believing we could fight two wars without paying for them though. 

Ponder
Ponder

...he's calling you a rapist, torturer, murderer and war criminal, cozz, because you served in the military.

Cozz
Cozz topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

After 4 years in the USMC, 2 tours Viet Nam, I couldn't agree more.

War is nothing more than the rich and politicians using servicemen as pawns to die for lies and deceit so they can get richer off the death of others.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy ... the last time U$ Soldiers "fought for our country" was WW2 ...


... every engagement since then -- all of them lost -- has been for venal politicians and their greedy corporate puppet-masters.


All that "patriotic" propaganda they feed you is just bullshit to get gullible suckers to fight, murder and die for some wealthy white guy's $$.


danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

if we are such abominations...............what kind of parasite does that make you to enjoy the life earned by our war crimes and transgressions that you accuse us of?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay  enjoy your freedom, my friends died for yours (and they did it without being any of the things you accuse them of)

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay wow.............so you think most of us that had the courage to fight for our country and your rights are war criminals, murderers, rapists and torturers? thats pretty out there. i really hope to god you are kidding because that has got to be one of the lowest things i have ever heard. we went out and fought our way through all the battles for you and your country while you sat safely at home enjoying all the safety and comfort we could afford you through our sweat and blood. we fought the wars that were started by people that you people safely at home elected. we were the ones who died while you people had backyard bbq's. we spent the night in ditches and holes getting shot at so you could dream peacefully safe in your own bed. and evidently we did it so you could call us rapists, murderers and war criminals? you really are sad.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy  " I am talking about us vets."


Many of whom are in fact WAR CRIMINALS, MURDERERS, RAPISTS and TORTURERS.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

???? War criminals??? I am talking about us vets. And no...war criminals should not be getter treatment than the civilian casualties of our troops or actions

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@Ponder  i dont care what anyone else says............that was friggin funny.

Ponder
Ponder

@DNichols. I looked out the window, following your advise and I did see a white streak in the sky...my five year old saw it too. He said it's Ironman...I think he's closer to the truth than you are.

DNichols
DNichols

Can you pull your head out of your ass and look up outside?!

Dust in the Valley is supossed to be brown, and it always was prior to this atmospheric spray by the Government.

Google "White Aresol, Barrium Oxide, and Alluminum Oxide"  Chemical Sprays.

You don't know as much as you think you do.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DNichols  

I've taken classes in chemistry, meteorology and atmospheric physics and have more than one airline pilot as personal friends.  You're delusional.


DNichols
DNichols

@Donkey

Shove your Black helicopters in your Donky's Butt you Jack Ass.!

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @valleynative @DNichols


Climate Change Remains Unsettled, Say 31,072 Scientists
"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will in the foreseeable future cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition says.

"The problem we now have in the climate community is that some scientists are mixing up their scientific role with that of a climate activist," said Bengtsson, who spoke of unbearable pressure coming from other researchers after he submitted his paper. "It is an indication of how science is gradually being influenced by political views. The reality hasn't been keeping up with the models."


Climate change alarmism is big business for some – including Al Gore, who was on a path a few years ago to become what The Telegraph described as the world's first "carbon billionaire" for pushing government environmental controls that would direct a vast fortune to his personal business ventures. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DNichols 

Look up "white aerosol".  It's pretty clear that you don't know what the words mean.   And if you think that anybody -- no matter their level of expertise -- can look into the sky and say that a particular cloud is composed of a specific chemical (other than the reasonable guess that it's almost certainly pure water), that's pretty clear evidence that you don't understand the science at a level to allow you to be arguing with somebody who's actually studied chemistry and physics at the college level.

DNichols
DNichols

@Valley

If you knew what those substances were you should be able to look up and reckognize them?!

Today 5/22/14 most of the thin milky lines of cloud cover whisping out of straight sprayed lines is either "White Aresol, or Barrium Oxide" man made cloud cover.

It will turn to white dust particulates then fall we will be seeing it, and breathing it tomorrow.

There are a few real clouds to the east right now.

Do you think your Government is right to spray this in the atmosphere with out advising the "People" of its vast health risks?

I am only trying to let people know what they are breathing.

Call me all the names you will.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DNichols  


Golly d-nick, if you say "shut the F-Up" instead of 'shut the fuck up', do you believe you then have the high moral ground if someone were to ever swear at you?  Are you that fucking obtuse?


I always thought the donkey boy was dumber than a frozen turd, but your shit surpassed him.   

friskers
friskers

@valleynative @DNicholsin england they pronounce aluminum as al-loo-mini-um, and they claim to have invented the english language. smh.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DNichols  

Earlier, you thanked me for correcting your spelling, but I really hadn't.  I had only suggested that you learn to spell these names:

white aerosol

barium oxide

aluminum oxide

I know what each of those is, and I know that there are conspiracy theories that say they're being used to cool the atmosphere at the expense of our health, but that's clearly crap to anybody who knows chemistry and physics, or even anybody who has any basic understanding of what would be involved and how well the number of people who would have to be involved could be expected to keep secrets from the mainstream press.


DNichols
DNichols

@ Valley you are not qualified for anything, you are a Coward acting tough on your keyboard.

Research what I have explained to you?!

Simply Google: White Aresol, Barrium Oxide, and Alluminum Oxide Chemical Srpay.

Then Shut the F-Up?!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DNichols  

I'm not a physician, and I would never try to really make a diagnosis simply from posts, but I do have sufficient training and experience to recognize the clear signs of paranoid delusions that you've exhibited over several months.

DNichols
DNichols

@Valley thank Dr. Valley?!

Trying to pose as a Doctor is a little ill don't you think?

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