Racism Accusations in Shanesha Taylor Case Based on Inaccurate Information

Categories: Myth Busted
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Catalina Clouser (left) and Shanesha Taylor, two local parents suspected of child abuse.


By now, you've likely heard the story of Shanesha Taylor, who was arrested on child-abuse charges for leaving her kids in a hot car during a job interview.

People across the country who don't think Taylor committed a crime have since signed petitions and donated money to Taylor, although it seems that some people have misconceptions about the case.

Blogs and social-media posts have gone viral comparing the fate of Taylor, who is black, to another local woman convicted of child abuse, who's white. The problem is, the comparison is completely inaccurate.

See also:
-Catalina Clouser Put Her Baby in a Car Seat but Left the Car Seat on the Roof

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Take the above image for example, which has 1,389 retweets and 457 favorites on Twitter.

Addressing the left half of the image, the county attorney said Taylor's not homeless (she doesn't have her own home, but she's not living on the streets), and she has not been sentenced to jail. In fact, she hasn't been sentenced at all. She's not even in jail, as county court records show she posted bond.

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On the right, the story is essentially correct (according to court documents, the child fell off shortly after she took off, but she didn't notice her child was missing until she'd driven 12 miles down the road). She was sentenced to 16 years of probation, plus a three-month deferred jail sentence, which means she probably won't be serving jail time if she complies with her probation for the next 16 years.

Child Protective Services also took Clouser's child at the time, which is not mentioned in the misleading image above. However, CPS doesn't share many details about cases, so we don't know how long the children were taken away from the parents in either case.

There are other comparisons being made between these two cases by bloggers and whatnot, and they're simply incomparable. The odds of Taylor being sentenced to jail time are probably very slim.

The case may sound like a petty arrest to people from across the country who don't understand that you simply don't leave a child in a car in Phoenix, because it's going to be hotter in the car than it is outside. The arrest may also seem petty to people who live here, who see all the truly horrific child-abuse cases -- many of which have resulted in a child's death -- which really don't seem like the same crime as leaving your child in a hot car.

However, it's not hard to be sympathetic to Taylor's case without embellishing the facts. Additionally, based on the actual accounts of what's happened in each case to this point, allegations of racism just make no sense.

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notasheep
notasheep

Will you blame the "Racism" for Shanesha Taylor recklessly spending the donations caring people gave to help her with her $4,000+ a month budget she submitted to the court including $745 a month in auto expenses (including her $345 month car payment).  That must be nice.  I can't even afford a car.  Do you Blame the Racism that she was given $114,000 in donations over her "unjustified" treatment for leaving her infant and toddler in a car that was 103 degrees inside when the police got them out, and then blew through the money on things that had nothing to do with her kids?  Maybe you will blame "Racism" when her baby daddy's rap album that she financed with some of the money doesn't succeed.  All she had to do was set up a trust fund with half of that money for her children and she would have walked free.  You rallied up support for this "poor" woman and blamed "Racism" for her plight of being irresponsible to begin with?  She was offered many jobs after It's not the Democrat way to take responsibility when they are WRONG. Do you know what isn't in her $4,000+ Monthly budget she submitted to the court?  Medical expenses.  I pay more then her car payment for my medical premium and about an equal amount on deductibles and co payments while my tax dollars are used to finance healthcare for this "poor" black woman and her family with a $4,000+ ,monthly budget thanks to Obamacare.  Well, I blame the Democrats and their unrealistic programs that promote giving hand outs instead of hands up.  Stop blaming "Racism" for the outcomes of irresponsible behavior of people just because they happen to be of a color that isn't white. 

anthonyvanity
anthonyvanity

This is so stupid i live in arizona, and its 110 out here, let alone 130 in a car, so what if shes homeless, theres plenty of places that she couodnt of done i have sympathy for her

samantha
samantha

If the facts are accurate as presented here, then both mothers are guilty of child endangerment. However, Clouser should also have been charged with being under the influence of a controlled substance. Therefore, Clouser should have received the harsher of the two sentences.

cooters22
cooters22

Racism will never go away until black people stop using it as an excuse on everything. That being said, this article has also left out certain huge details to get the racism card getting played, which isn't the peoples fault. They deliberately portrayed the young, white gal as ONLY getting probation which isn't true. I'm glad we have law enforcement and judges that just won't look the other way when a crime or dumb act was committed. How many of these people that are backing her now, would be backing her if one or both of her children would have died? I don't believe that she couldn't find a sitter either. Now the great taxpayers of Arizona get to pay for her defense and pay for her supervised visits with her children.

Hello
Hello

Taylor hasn't been sentenced yet. She may also get probation. Like the article says, we don't know all the details of Clouser's punishment or trial, so you really can't compare.

Gwen Van Court
Gwen Van Court

The difference between these two embiciles is Taylor has had several prior DFS contacts and drug (crack) arrests...neither deserves mother of the year.

mrmeadowlark1984
mrmeadowlark1984

The way I see it, the actions of both women were very stupid. However, from what I have read, it seems like the situation with Clouser was accidental, whereas the situation with Taylor was deliberate.

truthbetold
truthbetold

What's telling in this "debunking" article and most of the following comments is that the focus seems predominantly on the dangerous actions of Taylor.  That's exactly why people are claiming racism...because everyone is quick to focus on Taylor, while seemingly giving Clouser a pass.  Several posts say, "anybody who lives in AZ knows what leaving a child in a car means."  Well guess what, anybody who lives in ANY of the 50 states knows what leaving a child on the roof of a moving car means.  How is one case any different from the other?  The "debunking" says it's not racism because Taylor didn't go to jail.  Idiotic argument at best.  The point is she was arrested and would have been in jail if not for having posted the bond.  Couter was given probation, period.  Just stop.  Ignorance abounds...and I'm starting to believe more and more that the new hub for it in America is in the state where everybody knows it's dangerous to leave kids in cars.  But on top of moving cars, not so much.  Pathetic.

hepcat11
hepcat11

I think it's a great idea to have kids out of wedlock, after all it's so easy to take care of them without a father around or a job, you can just leave them in your car or on top of your car, what's the problem?! It's not like the taxpayers end up picking up the tab when you go on welfare or CPS takes them away, is it? And the kids aren't going to know any different when they grow up and wonder who their father was or why he didn't love them enough to take care of and protect them? It's not like you can buy birth control in the grocery store, you have to have a college degree and thousands of dollars, don't you?! Gosh, people are so judgmental!

gnomesane
gnomesane

Oh! I get it now! There's racism involved because she's a negro! How did I not see that before? huh, weird.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

For the racists who are championing Taylor's cause Why don't you take your vehicle over to a parking lot and park it out under the sun open the windows a crack and sit there for 45 minutes. Taylor is not a victim

loboco76
loboco76

Kudos to NT for debunking this supposed racist issue.


Let's face it, we all know racism is out there, it always has been and likely always will be.  In both directions.  It is up to us all to minimize its influence, but unfortunately there are those bound and determined to keep it going.  Sometimes through fear, malice or just plain ignorance... and unfortunately it is becoming easier for them every day.



Posting and reposting some crap like this on facebook is the norm...and refuting it takes a whole article... In a sound bite society where one has 30 seconds, if that, to say anything you want heard, accuracy is sadly optional.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Arizona = Desert Racist Wasteland

wolfwolfcaca
wolfwolfcaca

Racism is a system of oppression based on race. The arrest of Shanesha Taylor is only ONE component of that system of oppression. Police disproportionately target Black people for punishment, and courts disproportionately punish Black people more severely for crimes. Sometimes laws themselves are inherently directed towards Black people, such as laws that have harsher mandatory minimums for users of drugs that Black people use more often than white people.


What is this woman supposed to do when she doesn't have a job and TANF and SNAP benefits have been reduced so much that she doesn't have enough money to pay for both food and shelter for herself and kids let alone to pay someone to take care of them. Rather than punishing this woman for doing what she could to survive and provide for herself and her children, the state should be providing free child care to low-income mothers. And, no, the middle class should not be paying for it. The wealthiest people in this country should be taxed at a significantly higher rate to cover the cost of free state-sponsored child care.

AudieHO
AudieHO

@ateodorable You should have continued reading.    You posted the sentencing guidelines for a class 2 felony.  She is not being charged with a class 2 felony, as she did not cause harm to either child.  She is being charged with felony child abuse under circumstances likely to produce death or physical injury through reckless actions, a class 5 felony with a minimum sentence of 9 months and a mitigated sentence of 6 months.  The white chick was charged as a class 4 felon and was sentenced to the maximum of 3 years because of previous run ins and circumstances.  The sentence was suspended pending successful completion of probation.   It is likely Taylor, when sentenced will receive the minimum, as a first time offender and also be  given probation.

PatScott
PatScott

@samantha Taylor has not been sentenced to anything and has not even been to trial. Her sentence will likely be far less than Clouser's.

OldSchoolTeacher
OldSchoolTeacher

@cooters22  I am the only black male teacher in a rural school and have had 3 tires slashed, been called a nigger by angry parents, had "Mr. (my name) is a dumb nigger" scribbled in multiple textbooks, and had students being told by their parents to not listen to me about certain things because I "probably wouldn't tell the truth" because of racial biases. I have not played the race card once and continued to comet to work everyday and have been rated a highly effective educator. So what are you talking about? Blaming black people for all racism is idiotic and dishonest... and you probably shouldn't make blanket statements about racial groups. I would call THAT racism, but I don't want to be blamed for your biases. 

jazminyanceywalker
jazminyanceywalker

"Racism will never go away until black people stop using it as an excuse on everything" false! Racism will never go away until the oppressor stops oppressing. Yes these two incidents were not based on race but to say if blacks stop using the race card that racism will disappear is delusional.

Chiryder
Chiryder

@mrmeadowlark1984  

Accidental? She didn't get HIGH on accident. She didn't drive for 12 miles and not notice her child no tin the back seat...on ACCIDENT. 

Chiryder
Chiryder

statistical fact that POC get harsher sentences than whites. 

randomfreak
randomfreak

@hepcat11 Not married here, I have two kids who both have the same father. He's currently at work right now, he'll be home in a few hours. CPS has never taken my kids nor had cause to. Taxpayers don't pay my bills, we pay for our own. As far as education, I'm in college currently. In fact, I'll be graduating with my associate's degree this year. My children know their father loves them because he's home daily to be with his family, because he provides well for us and because he treats me with respect.


My parent's were married when they had their children. My dad left and I can't honestly remember a time in my life that was happy with him around. He was abusive and still has nothing to do with his children. My father made plenty of money and yet my mother still had to work two jobs to support us kids. There were times when we sold everything we owned and moved because we had no other choice. I've lived in hotels where people shot windows out of cop cars in the same parking lot. I know what it's like to have a parent trying to their best and it coming up short.


You need to watch what you say and learn to be an adult. You don't know anything about people being down on their luck until you've been through it. There is a big difference in being desperate enough to provide for your children that you leave them in a car for a job interview than getting high and driving off with your baby on top of your car.


Oh, and you can't buy birth control in the grocery store. You have to have a prescription which means you have to get it from the pharmacy. Not all birth control is cheap and if you don't have insurance you could be paying $68+ per month for it. Get off your high horse. Please.

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

Your reply is a bit judgemental. We do not know what happened to the fathers in either case. They could have been married and the husbands walked out. Or the fathers in either case could be dead. If a woman is in a relationship that she thinks is working and chooses to have her partner's child why would she need birth control? You are assumimg that they were irresponsible for getting pregnant.

irish82
irish82

@gnomesane first off it was your own people that sold african slaves to the whit man...nobody "stole" them. second im irish 100% we were also sold into slavery but no one talks about that. when do i get to stand up and say well hey this happened because my great great grandfather was an irish slave? i dont. im so sick of people saying well you haven't lived it so you dont know...no i havent lived it because when my family was enslaved i wasnt born yet and none of you have lived it either for the same reason.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@gnomesane For the liberal its called white guilt apologizing for being white. A lot of this hate (race baiting) among races is being generated by the Obama administration M.S.N.B.C. has their white talking heads apologizing all the time for white people Chris Mathews leads the pack

truthbetold
truthbetold

I agree with you.  Taylor is no victim.  Neither is Clouser.  The fact still remains that both did stupid things that could have been FATAL to their children.  One had to post a bond to avoid jail.  The other received probation.  There's no remixing those facts.

soulalibi
soulalibi

@loboco76 Yes. Much like the denying the very fact that racism doesn't exists, is the same as denying the grave fact that Al Qaeda doesn't exist. 


Societal intolerance and racism is alive and well in this country. Otherwise, the Meledres v. Arpaio case would not be happening right now. And the SPLC would not have been established to begin with. 

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@wolfwolfcaca that's right the state should be responsible never mind the actions of the parent its the states fault for not giving the women free stuff its the states fault that Taylor had children .its the state who is racists towards immoral unethical people. its the rich peoples fault they don't give enough to the low common denominators in our society. If a minority is involved in any type of criminal action blame the state . liberals suck

fun4all.az
fun4all.az

If black people feel so targeted by the law and punishment, why don't they spend less time doing drugs and crimes and more time going to school and and working hard? Law and punishments don't affect those who are upstanding citizens, black or white, who not getting in trouble. Seems like a choice to me that they choose to make.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@wolfwolfcaca  

The wealthiest 10% already pay 70% of all income tax.   How much more should they pay?


She was living with relatives.  She could have found somebody to watch the kids, rather than put their lives at risk.

doll101
doll101

@Chiryder Statistical fact that POC have a higher arrest rate than whites with more prior convictions.

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

Right, because there was NO race baiting before Obama. Wtf does the Obama administration have to do with this case? Nothing. Anytime race enters a public forum someone (you) just has to throw Obama's name out there. Something that jidt did not happen during the brilliant Bush administration. I am sure it is because Obama is black.

But that's not racism right? Right....

clearvisions
clearvisions

@john043012 @gnomesane  for you it's called ignorance...both were wrong. one drove with a baby on TOP OF THE CAR WHILE ON DRUGS - probation (white girl) The other AT JOB INTERVIEW, KIDS IN HARMFUL SITUATION for 38 mins not 12 miles flown off a car roof - 1. Did jail time 2. lost of kids 3. TWO possible felony charges (black girl) and yet you still decide to be oblivious... it doesn't matter what the story is about if blacks & racism are involved you think you're white superiority is not to blame for the injustice that happens everyday. agreeing with someone who still call blacks negroes? and then try to get political and blame Obama? who are you fooling bigot

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

Oh God you are so stupid funforall. Let's just review YOUR history. Slavery ended. Jim Crow laws began. Jim Crow laws finally were overturned in the 60's, after one hell of a fight (you racist bastards fought hard to retain lynching and unfair laws didn't you?) But...some people, like you, retained Jim Crow in your heart. Didn't you Jimmy? So now black people are still dealing with your hatred and bigotry. How is it manifested? Through nepotism. Unjust criminal charges. Disproportionate sentencing. Inferior "free" education in black communities. Media that depicts black people as bufoons, gangsters, whores and criminals, while rejecting most shows/movies that depict us in a favorable light. You are so wrong about laws and punishment only affecting the guilty. Black people are assumed guilty. That's why we are followed in stores, arrested for making purchases in high end stores, etc. I could go on but...you can't fix stupid.

michaelhorton
michaelhorton

@valleynative @wolfwolfcaca "The wealthiest 10% already pay 70% of all income tax"


Of course they do.  Since incomes are so disproportionate they're going to end up paying more taxes into the pool.  It's simple math yo!  If incomes were more evenly distributed and the top 10% still paid 70% of taxes, then you'd have something to complain about.

Star
Star

@valleynative @wolfwolfcaca  "She could have found somebody to watch the kids, rather than put their lives at risk". You do not think that was her first thought? It is apparent that leaving the children in the car was a last resort. You cannot make someone watch YOUR kids! Maybe her family members were working or maybe they just flat out turned her down. Either given scenario she did not have help and did what she felt best... PERIOD! Do I think things could have been handled in a better way on her end? Of course!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative "The wealthiest 10% already pay 70% of all income tax.   How much more should they pay?"


As much as needed, they can afford it.

cooters22
cooters22

@motherwiferasta  Seriously the the woe is me has to stop. The entitlement has to stop. The Indians centuries ago ran the Norwegians out of our country and persecuted them. I actually happen to date a Norwegian woman by descent. She and her relation don't sit around crying the blues about racism and woe is me. You yourself are talking about inflicting pain, etc. for something you or I are not or have not been apart of. I never did crap to you or your ancestry. Get over it already.

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

Not one NEGRO wrote the dictionary or coined the phrase Negro. White men did that. And just out of curiousity, what IS the reality of who we are? (cue Bob Marley) Stolen from Africa, brought to America....when you caucasians have suffered one tenth of the pain you have caused then maybe, maybe you can speak to what African Americans have endured. Last time I checked, slaves were brought from Africa, not frigging NEGROLAND!!

chrystineg.cg
chrystineg.cg

@john043012 @clearvisions R u serious???...No really???....Who made that dictionary u lookn in??...we never agreed to be called negros..thats what the slave owners called our ppl...that word is disrespectful, and distasteful, and I bet no Caucasion person would have the balls to say it to a black persons face.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@clearvisions  the only injustice here would be if Taylor some how got her kids back without some form of punishment along with parental training. As far as gnomesane calling black's Negro's  look in the dictionary that word is used to describe an ethnicity just like for white's Caucasian is used to describe an ethnicity . I realize that over the years African Americans have had a difficult time accepting the reality of who they are and have tried to change the definition of who they are but it is what it is as they say.

randomfreak
randomfreak

@motherwiferasta In some places you're right, black people are targets. Right here in your reply, white people are the target. I have never done anything to you. Please, get over yourself. For the love of God, you are racist against white people and yet are complaining that racism against black people still exists. Not everyone is a bigot. I see a lot of crime in my neighborhood from all races. I live in a small town and around here people think they can get away with the most ignorant things. I see a lot of people of all races walk free for crimes they should be locked up for forever. I see a lot of good people who made a simple mistake be locked up a long time for petty things. Sometimes it has nothing to do with race and everything about who you know. That could very well be the case here, we don't know. I agree, the system in this country is extremely corrupt. That doesn't change that not everyone is racist. Stop blaming me for something that my ancestors never took part in. My ancestors were slaves as well, just of a different race than yours.


You should also know that African slaves were sold by other Africans as prisoners of war. So you should probably blame some of your ancestors for what happened as well. It wasn't just white people in on it. Spanish people held African slaves, I don't see you jumping on them. If you want racism to end, you need to have some respect for yourself and all other races of people. Otherwise, you're just facilitating racism.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative "She could have found somebody to watch the kids "


@DonkeyHotay "So YOU are volunteering to watch her kids, eh hypocrite?"


@valleynative "Nope"


So perhaps she couldn't find a sitter because she only knows self-centered hypocritical bigoted asswipes like you?

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Star  

She could have found somebody to watch the kids or blown off that one particular meeting.  No sympathy.

truthbetold
truthbetold

@rbcraig63....does anyone who lives in AZ know not to leave their kid on top of a car...while driving?  Just wondering.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@rbcraig63   " If people want to get ahead they will"


Well, there it is! ... who knew the solution to poverty, sickness, disaster, and social inequality was simply lack of desire?


You ARE being punished ... for being such a myopic self-centered bigot.

rbcraig63
rbcraig63

@fun4all.az I am with you on this. If people want to get ahead they will. When I got out of High School I didn't have the money to go to college so I joined the Military worked hard and got my degree. Sometimes I feel I am being punished for it, my taxes have to pay for extended unemployment, welfare, this woman's legal defense and of course all the losers in jails and prison. I mean I don't mind helping people out but it has gotten out of hand. None of it really matters anyway because anyone who lives or has lived in Arizona knows not to leave their kids in a car.

soulalibi
soulalibi

@fun4all.az You ever hear of the Polygamist sect in Colorado City and elsewhere? They live in these tight knit little isolated communities. Disowning all outside influence, while sucking off the government tit. They skimmed the federal government hundred of thousands worth of food stamps and other "aid". When none of them in those communities contribute back to the state or federal economic engine.

fun4all.az
fun4all.az

Why should people who choose to educate themselves and work hard have to pay for those who choose not to? There is equal opportunity in this country. School through 12th grade is provided free of charge. There are scholarships and financial aid for all of those choosing to go on to higher education. The only thing holding anyone back is their own mindset and their own life choices. And, why should anyone else have to pay for children she chose to bring into this world? If she can't afford them, why is she having them? Seems like her own irresponsibility to me. If a poor person buys a car, should rich people have to pay for their gas and repairs? If the decide to get four dogs, should society have to pay for food, yearly shots, and dog beds? People need to take responsibility for themselves. Can't feed "em, don't breed 'em! And, bottomline, there are child care centers that will watch your kids while you go on a job interview. This woman is just a moron in every aspect!

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @valleynative  Only a communist like the donkey boy would make such a ridiculous statement.  


And look at the dumbasses that agree with him.  

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

I love how you white folks immediately scream entitlement when you know a black person is speaking So speaking of entitlements, here is what I am entitled to. I am entitled to feel the way I want to about what MY ancesters endured. They are my predecessors, the blood from whence I came. I do not have to get over how my parents, grandparents, great grands and so on were treated in this country. I am entitled to discuss, to comment, to present my opinions and they are in no way diminished by your desire for me to shut up and forget. To "get over it". I don't blame any of you for what white people did to my family years ago I do blame you for having that same narrowminded knee-jerk reaction to the fact that I dared bring it up at all. "Shut up nigger we don't owe you anything get over it it wasn't even that bad look at how the Indians Norwegians Irish suffered every other oppressed people were way oppressed than you so just shut up and get over it because we really want you to." Well guess what I have my prejudices just like you do and from my side of things...you're an asshole.

randomfreak
randomfreak

@motherwiferasta Actually, I didn't do ANYTHING to you or cause you ANY pain. How cute that you think I owe you an apology because I'm white. That is entitlement and racism. I'm Irish, my family was brought over as indentured servants and treated as slaves. I also am Native American. Want to brush up on your history and read about what happened in this country to the Natives? Seriously, I don't owe you a damn thing because history is in the PAST. Stop being irrational and start living in the present, PLEASE. It's time you get over yourself. You were never a slave, you have no idea what that was like and you are a disgrace to any ancestor you may have had that was one. Those people deserve respect for what THEY endured, not your ridiculous greedy entitlement for what you think you are owed because an ancestor endured hell on earth. Get over yourself.

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

@randomfreak...in what way have I made white people targets? Target of what? My comment? My opinion that other people should not presume to tellme how to feel about history, when that history involves my own ancestors? If you feel targeted maybe it is because there is some good old guilty feeling going thru you. In my comment I did not call white people any names, make any threats so again what are you the target of? I don't like being called a Negro. That is my right and I spoke on that to a person who presumed to tell me what I am and what I should call myself. I made historical references. That history includes slavery. It just does.

FYI just because a black person mentioms slavery in a historical context does not mean they are censuring any 21st century white people. So why do you take it so personally? And I am aware that Africans assisted the slavers with selling Africans into slavery. I am not dumb. But just because Africans aided and abetted the crime does not make it any less a crime. And incidently,

the subject to which I was responding was about the use of the term Negro to describe our people. and I still say, we were Stolen from Africa, not Negroland. So if we want to call ourselves African Americans that is our right.

randomfreak
randomfreak

@fun4all.az I would like to point out that shit happens. Well educated people with families lose their jobs all the time. Quite often those people also exhaust their savings, cash out their 401k plans and exhaust that money, lose their homes and cars and work at low income places such as Walmart. It's not as simple as you make it sound.

randomfreak
randomfreak

@motherwiferasta WOW! You are a racist bigot!


Shit happens that makes many of us disgusted by our history. It doesn't mean we can't work together to make the world a better place. Put your energy somewhere productive. Seriously, if all you do is rant about injustice instead of making life better then you have done nothing but blow steam.


I'm done with you because you are very narrow-minded. I'm not even sure you know half of what you're talking about. Whatever your agenda is in this life, I hope it makes you happy and that your days are filled with joy.

motherwiferasta
motherwiferasta

I never said anyone owed me anything. I responded to one post about one issue- the fact that people- caucasians especially- think they have the right to tell us what to call ourselves, or how we should feel about MY people's past. All that other shit is you revealing what you really think about black people, your own prejudices. I don't want an apology or anything else from you, didn't ask for one and do not need one. For what? My life is great and you have naught to do with it. Look in the mirror DUDE the person who needs to ger over himself will be staring right atcha.

randomfreak
randomfreak

@motherwiferasta "when you caucasians have suffered one tenth of the pain you have caused then maybe, maybe you can speak to what African Americans have endured"

You said it, not me dear. I called you out on it. Because while there is truth to what you have said, slavery was awful and should never have happened, YOU endured NOTHING of slavery. Not a single thing. That's where you need to get over yourself. My ancestors were Irish and Native American, they were slaves. I take pride in my heritage and know that because of what my ancestors were forced to sacrifice, my life is better. You don't know what your ancestors endured. In fact, none of us know exactly what was endured because words are just that, words. They are often censored and distorted. Which means we will never know the whole scope of our past.


What your ancestors may or may not have endured (do you know for a fact that your ancestors were slaves? do you know how they were treated? do you have access to journals and records specific to YOUR ancestors telling you so? If so, good for you) does not give you the right to think you can tell ME how I should feel about a subject.


You're adorable DUDE. Oh wait, "mother" in your screen name means you're likely a woman. Well, so am I. Nice judgment and prejudice there.


You are ignorant. I don't feel a specific way about anyone of any color. I feel a specific way about a person's personality. Yours is vile and entitled. You really do need to get over yourself. I never once owned a slave, my ancestors were slaves and yet I'm not allowed to speak on a subject I know very much about because I don't know a tenth of what your people have endured? You don't know either. And you don't know what I have personally endured in my life. Do you? You likely think I'm an entitled rich white girl huh? News flash, I'm not. I've worked hard for everything I have. I've heard the things other races say about white people and those things are nasty and horrible. I guess it's not racism because I'm white? HAH! That's cute!


Call yourself whatever you want. I never once said you couldn't find the term "negro" offensive. Heck, the term "white" is offensive because I'm not a freaking color, I'm a person!

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