Cliven Bundy's Comments on Slavery Not Far Off of Trent Franks' Remarks

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Matthew Hendley


If you've followed the saga of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy at all, you've undoubtedly heard his horrible suggestion that black people may have been better off as slaves.

While Bundy's being blasted by most this week, his comments are remarkably close to comments made several years ago by Arizona Republican Congressman Trent Franks.

See also:
-Arizona Lawmaker, a Cliven Bundy Supporter, Blasted for Racial Comments
-Trent Franks: Blacks Better Off Under Slavery. No, Really

"They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton," Bundy said in part of his diatribe, captured by the New York Times. "And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

Compare that to Franks' comments on abortion back in 2010:
"I can't believe . . . I mean, four million slaves, this is incredible. And we're right . . . We should look back on that with criticism. It is a crushing mark on America's soul. And yet today, half of all black children are aborted . . . Far more of the African-American community is being devastated by the policies of today, than were being devastated by the policies of slavery."
Franks' comments were a little less horrible because he didn't drop references to "the Negro" or "picking cotton," but it's nearly the same general comment -- two people are honest-to-God conflicted over whether black people had it tougher as slaves, or now, as, you know, free Americans.

Head to the 6:12 mark.


To Franks' credit, at least he wasn't actively supporting Bundy's cause, unlike Republican Congressman Paul Gosar, who was up at Bundy's ranch, giving speeches about the horrible federal government. We can't find any evidence in public remarks or social media of Franks being supportive of Bundy.

Interestingly, however, this thought that treating an individual as property might be better than being treated as an equal isn't unique to Bundy or Franks. One writer pointed out that some conservative politicians including Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum signed some sort of "marriage vow" circulated by a Religious Right organization that said slavery had a "disastrous impact on African-American families," but proceeded to explain that it was kind of worse under President Obama.

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ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Now when I look at Trent Franks, I see and hear Cliven Bundy.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

Now I don't give a shit about  Clive Bundy, but I sure as hell don't believe something because the Federal government says is is so.  You dumb-ass loony lemming liberals that believe whatever you hear or read if it fits your twisted philosophy, should be shot for stupidity.  (If you are a liberal, you don't have to be loony, but it takes effort.)


This is something even liberals will understand.


Back in the day (say 40 years ago or so) Mexican dirt weed was plentiful and cheap. $100 a pound or 10 bucks for an ounce, lid, three finger bag (call it what you will). 

If the "authorities" busted some poor slop with a pound of pot he scraped up enough money to buy for him and his buddies, (because 100 bucks wasn't very dramatic) the headline would read  "MAJOR DRUG DEALER CAUGHT WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF MARIJUANA".  So how did they justify such outright fabrication?  They estimated the street value of a joint (what the cops called a marijuana cigarette) at a dollar or two.  Then they figured how many joints one could roll out of a pound and magically that became the inflated value.


So, tell me, can you trust the authorities, let alone the Federal government, to tell you the truth?


Now, does anyone want to tell me how trustworthy Harry Reid is?


What would it take for a liberal to actually think?   Jazus! 


soulalibi
soulalibi

"because they never learn how to pick cotton"


So what he is trying to tell the world, is that he does not believe black Americans deserve higher education, employment opportunities, career success and business ownership. That's because he doesn't believe in Freedom himself. Freedom for blacks in choosing their own life's destinies. Whether it's picking cotton or becoming the president of the U.S. He also does not believe the United States Constitution, which forbids the practice of slavery in the U.S.


That makes him a sedition manipulator, a common bigot as well as a thief.

gtnoriega554
gtnoriega554

Bundy has a big grazing bill to pay and he refuses to pay up.  Isn't that what this story is all about?  Everything else is deflection.

Dontbelieveit
Dontbelieveit

Amazing that people like this still exist in this SO-CALLED society. I say it's the grandparents fault for teaching these prejudices and hate. From one generation to the next it starts at an early age 4 or 5 generations later the kids HATE everything their grandparents did . Such is life.......Robert E. Lee wrote in 1856: “The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

Whether a person is black, white or grey,

welfare and other forms of dependence on the government often leads to helplessness and psychological addiction.    

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@soulalibi  


"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." 

-- Abraham Lincoln


gtnoriega554
gtnoriega554

@Dontbelieveit Our "founding fathers" all had slaves.  Can you imagine how they helped themselves to the women!

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@fishingblues  So, Clieven himself is helpless and has a psychological addition.  His cows have been feeding off the public teat for decades and a million is owed to the BLM, and Cliven himself owes millions in taxes to the IRS...

woefatcat
woefatcat

@fishingblues And in what study did you find this info? Or is it opinion? It seems to mirror comments in a study by The Heritage Foundation.

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

@fishingblues Welfare like the dirt cheap grazing fees that Bundy didn't pay? That kind of welfare? He is leaching off all of us - paying neither property taxes nor grazing fees. That is a totally free ride. Nice scam if you can pull it off.

Warrior-X
Warrior-X

@DonkeyHotay @soulalibi  "When Fascism comes to America. It will wrap itself with an American flag, and carrying a cross."--Sinclair Lewis

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @soulalibi


"The real issue in this controversy — the one pressing upon every mind — is the sentiment on the part of one class that looks upon the institution of slavery as a wrong, and of another class that does not look upon it as a wrong. The sentiment that contemplates the institution of slavery in this country as a wrong is the sentiment of the Republican party. "


--Abraham Lincoln

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@WhoKnows @fishingblues  Might be. Don't know the dude and I don't care.  You seem to profess to know him, perhaps you should answer your own question.

I very simply made a statement which is self-evident.  

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@woefatcat @fishingblues  cat:  I didn't read it in any one place.  I am very hesitant to take as "gospel" anything I read.  Everything (except for mathematics) is slanted by the authors bias.


However, my statement is axiomatic, thus irrefutable.  

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@mikefrombisbee @fishingblues 

Why should he be paying the federal government to graze on otherwise unused land in Nevada?  What value is the BLM adding to that grazing land?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@fishingblues ... the profile you HIDE from public view, like the gutless coward that you are.


fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @fishingblues  And yet, when I go to my profile, you are a constant follower.

You perverted, stalking little shit-stain.


Give it up stinky, you don't have the tools.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@fishingblues ... yet here you are, reading each and every one of my "mindless boring fucking idiot" posts.


Lolz lolz lolz.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

 Fuck, you are stupid.  Is that the best you can do?


You mindless, boring fucking idiot.  


KMDDA!!

woefatcat
woefatcat

@fishingblues @woefatcat Funny, an axiom is a set theory. So where does this "set theory" of yours generate because, and I will quote here, "Everything (except for mathematics) is slanted by the authors bias."

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @fishingblues  The donkey boy wants to be a valley girl (lol).


No one but pre-pubescent  girls and mindless twits continue to use that inane, overused acronym.


the donk remains --Too obtuse to be of use.   

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

 Only a fucking low-life communist would believe everything the Federal government tells him to believe.


You are dumber than the run-of-the-mill loony liberal that posts here.


Jazus!  You are fucking stupid.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@fishingblues ... in your brain-dead teatarded world, if it "grows back" then it should be free for anyone to extract and harvest from Federal lands.


Your idiotic words, numbnuts ... now eat them!



fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @fishingblues  


Keep proving your fucking stupidity, you dimwitted twit.  


Let me think, grass grows back in a day or two- how long does it take a tree or fucking oil?  You stupid ignorant twat!   

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@fishingblues ... trees grow back too, you daft dipshit.


So in your brain-dead teatard world, anyone and everyone should be able to clearcut and extract the timber on all National Forests -- without paying any $$ for it -- since it will grow back.


Did your mother raise you to be dumber than a bucket of dirt, or is that a skill you developed on your own?



fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @fishingblues  What three fucking dimwitted morons.  Stinky was referring to "extracting" a non-renewable resource.  Last I looked, grass grows back,


Fuck liberals are stupid.  


... and so full of themselves.  

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@fishingblues ... if the cows aren't using the resources, then Bundy doesn't need the land, now does he? 

HaddieNuff
HaddieNuff

@fishingblues Yes, they are.  Perhaps you should read a bit about the history of grazing fees and why they were initiated.  And they're not nearly enough.


fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @valleynative 


"commie"?  - Do you have a clue as to what you say donkey boy?  Please explain.


Now, if someone were to refer to you as a communist, they would be remarkably close to the truth.   

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@Jukes 


And yet you did not have the mental wherewithal to attempt it, right fuck wad?

Jukes
Jukes

@fishingblues @mikefrombisbeeWhy should anyone address your "original statement"?  It wasn't original and it was lame. Who would waste their time "addressing" such a remark so obviously cribbed from Billo, Insannity, Caribou Barbie or whomever is the flavor of the month in your world?

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@mikefrombisbee  And yet you have thus far failed to address my original statement.

All your bluster and bullshit is just that.  But, I wager you think you are something special.  

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

@fishingblues @mikefrombisbee You are nothing more than a cowardly shit-talker who makes egotistical statements that you claim are "irrefutable."My last name is Anderson, shit-talker. I stand behind anything I say. I have no desire to beat you up, although you obviously are pants-pissing scared that someone might do so. And, considering the way you use insults instead of logical, civic discourse on this forum, I can see why. So come on, shit-talker and coward, it's your turn. More insults? It's your only card to play, isn't it?

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@mikefrombisbee @fishingblues  


Okay mikey Mr. tough guy from bisbee, I'll type slow to give you a chance to comprehend.


I made an irrefutable statement.  You skirted the truth of the statement by attempting to dodge to Bundy.  Understand now?  


As I mentioned to another chicken-dick that made a similar stupid statement relative to "real names"  (As if yours was Mike Frombisbee- stupid fuck) ....

If I give you my real name, will you promise to come over and try to beat me up? 

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