Arizona Legislature Passes Five Gun-Related Bills

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No Arizona legislative session is complete without some attention paid to guns.

The Senate this morning voted to approve five gun-related bills, the majority of which generally would be considered pro-gun bills, naturally.

Here's a quick summary of each bill:

  • HB 2517: Although state law already includes many prohibitions on counties and cities making their own gun regulations, including the gun-buyback programs that were popular in Phoenix, this bill creates penalties for violating those laws, like a $5,000 fine against the government official whose agency violated the laws, and calls for their firing, among other things.

  • H.B. 2483: This bill prevents cities or counties from "regulat[ing], through a zoning ordinance, the otherwise lawful discharge of a firearm or maintenance or improvements directly related to the discharge, on a private lot or parcel of land that is not open to the public on a commercial or membership basis." However, it includes stipulations that you can't be negligent or be found to be a "nuisance" if you're shooting on your property.

  • H.B. 2339: This bill allows concealed carry permit-holders to take their weapon inside any public establishment, excluding buildings with security guards that screen everyone for weapons, as well as educational institutions. It does not, however "limit, restrict or prohibit the existing rights of a private property owner, private tenant, private employer or private business entity."

  • H.B. 2338*: The caveat to this one is that it was amended slightly in the Senate, so it still needs approval from the House again before it's passed on to the governor. It's already illegal to attempt to take someone else's gun from them, but this bill makes it a specific crime: aggravated assault, a class-four (one being the highest, six being the lowest) felony.

  • H.B. 2336: Under current law, off-duty and retired police officers only have a few restrictions on where they can carry firearms, including "when the officer consumes alcohol at a licensed liquor establishment operated by the state or a political subdivision of the state, unless authorized to do so in the performance of the peace officer's duties." Lawmakers are expanding this law to prevent police from carrying a firearm while they're consuming alcohol at any licensed liquor establishment.

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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

More American Gun MADNESS !!

Alan Whipple
Alan Whipple

I have one word for our Legislature. ...JOBS !!!!!!!!

Susan Lupo-Mueller
Susan Lupo-Mueller

I was wondering what all the gun tooting people are so afraid of?????

Christopher Saint Paul
Christopher Saint Paul

Well this one is fun: H.B. 2336: Under current law, off-duty and retired police officers only have a few restrictions on where they can carry firearms, including "when the officer consumes alcohol at a licensed liquor establishment operated by the state or a political subdivision of the state, unless authorized to do so in the performance of the peace officer's duties." Lawmakers are expanding this law to prevent police from carrying a firearm while they're consuming alcohol at any licensed liquor establishment.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

I appreciate the links to the actual text of the bills.

Ian Wolf Russell
Ian Wolf Russell

Andrew Patterson what are you so afraid of? If there's no danger why not carry? If there's a problem at least you're armed to take care of it. I'd rather have a gun on me and not need to use then be in a situation where I needed it and didn't have one.

Tyler
Tyler

This will probably result in shootouts everywhere and blood running down the streets, just like happened when they passed all the other laws allowing concealed carry, etc.  Right?

Oh...wait...none of that has ever happened.  Simmer down, people.  These are good laws.

Andrew Patterson
Andrew Patterson

To all the gun lovers....What are you so scared of that you feel the need to carry EVERYWHERE?

Todd Morgan
Todd Morgan

Thank you for clearing that up for me Corey.

teknik
teknik

So does HB-2338 mean we can fire guns in the air again so long as no one gets hurt?

Corey Billesbach
Corey Billesbach

CCW holders are allowed carry concealed in a bar as long there is no sign prohibiting it and they are NOT drinking. This just extends the law to police officers, putting them on equal ground with the rest of us lowly citizens.

Gun-Man
Gun-Man

Can the cities and counties now adopt the phrase: "Don't Tread On Me!!" As STATE government tramples on their right to enforce zoning regulations?

Tyburn Gallows
Tyburn Gallows

I like the one disarming off duty cops at bars. Now we just need to disarm them the rest of the time.

Brian Schaefer
Brian Schaefer

Not really any significant change worth noting. Probably why it wasn't reported in the regular media.

Andrew Jones
Andrew Jones

Still no state budget, or educational legislation, as Brewer demanded from her veto of 1062. Good job, dickheads.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

... as most gun nuts are.


valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@eric.nelson745  

You say things like that, without providing any support, and most people just ignore you.  What, precisely, do you find to be insane about any of this?


valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

I suppose they might be afraid that when they "toot" their guns, they might go off accidentally.


RegisteredIndependent
RegisteredIndependent

Well Andrew, i spent 21 years as a law enforcement officer. In that time I have put many people in prison who have specifically communicated that they would like to visit harm upon me and my family. 

After 21 years it is a safe bet to assume that some of these people have been released back into society. Since I have retired, I am no longer in a position to be able to track these people and some have simply stopped reporting in to the parole officers that they are required to(Imagine that, criminals not following the rules). 

So I carry a concealed weapon in case one of these people happens to make good on their threats. 

In fact, Congress even passed a law back in 2004 that addressed my need to continue to protect myself. 

It's called the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. Google it. 

Oh, BTW, pay attention to who it was who introduced the bill in the first place.

Unfortunately, I served in the Air Force as an LEO and, although Congress(and Obama) have corrected a deficiency and recently added Military LEOs to LEOSA, the DoD has to write all the regulations, hire contractors to make credentials, etc., etc., etc. a process that has taken over a year an a half since the update was passed. 

So, in the interim I have applied for a CCW.

Still, these people are still out there, they still harbor ill feelings and I still don't know where they are. 

So that's why I carry.

Satisfied?  

Oh, and before you start assuming that as a retired LEO I somehow have some mythical moral reason to carry one, I have also come to one indisputable fact in my years on the job that cause me to support gun rights. 

The world is a dangerous place and those who bury their heads in the sand and pretend nothing can happen because they live in suburbia instead of south central LA are the ones who are deluded. As a cop i understood that we are a REACTIONARY force. I promise that the police will do everything in their power to catch your killer, but they don't have the time, resources  or even LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to protect you(remember..retired cop talking here, not gun nut rhetoric). It's up to YOU to protect yourself not theirs.  

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

Because the reality is that when you need Law Enforcement to handle a situation, they are minutes away for a situation that will be over in seconds.


That's reality. It's got nothing to do with fear, it's got to do with reality, a place you clearly do not live...


Too bad this is a FB comment and you will never see the reply..

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

I'm afraid that if I'm forced to leave my gun in my car, because I'm not allowed to take it inside with me, that it might be stolen and used by criminals.


Are you one of those seat-belt lovers who feels the need to wear your seat belt EVERYWHERE you drive?


Sounds pretty silly, doesn't it?


I don't carry because I'm afraid.  I carry because I have the training to use a handgun to protect myself and my family, and believe it would be negligent to not be ready to defend them.  Who else do you imagine is going to protect them?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@teknik  ... the 2nd Amendment says you can KEEP and BEAR arms ...


... it doesn't say ANYTHING about SHOOTING them.


hth.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@teknik  

No, it refers to "the otherwise legal discharge of a firearm".  It also doesn't make it legal to fire your gun within the city limits.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Gun-Man  

What rights are you talking about?  Where are they defined?  I don't see in the State Constitution that the cities and counties have the right to pass zoning ordinances which pre-empt state law.   This is common in many States.

jerk_store
jerk_store

@valleynative @eric.nelson745  The fact that our state law makers concentrate their efforts on creating redundant laws surrounding gun rights for nothing more than looking like heros to gun freaks and therefore winning votes. How much time and money was spent to put together these bills?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@RegisteredIndependent  ... no one forced you to become a cop, you government parasite.


If you can't stand the heat, and karma of your actions, then you should have chosen another career.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Flyer9753  ... so you support passengers being able to carry loaded firearms on commercial aircraft, since the urgency and distance to the nearest law enforcement agent is even greater, eh?



RegisteredIndependent
RegisteredIndependent

@Flyer9753  And i promise that the police will do everything within their power to catch your, or/and your families, killer. But until they arrive you're on your own. Even if they DO get there there's no guarantee they will protect you(Warren V. DC). 

Gun-Man
Gun-Man

@valleynative Law enforcement officials are required to wear seat belts whenever they operate department vehicles. Are you calling the law enforcement community "silly" because it is a state and federal requirement? Some "pro-law" fan you are, eh?

Gun-Man
Gun-Man

@valleynative

Um... I did not say "pass zoning ordinances". I'm talking about the enforcement of current zoning laws already established long before these silly gun legislation were doctored up. Now it's apparent that state government tyrants are trying to prevent cities from enforcing those regulations.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative  


"Local government (not the feds) have the obligation to regulate business practices.  Without such regulation to maintain a level playing field, the least scrupulous company would be able to drive their honest competition out of business." 

-- ValleyNative 4/28/14



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @valleynative 

No.  They're primarily for protecting the lives of ourselves and our families from violent criminals.  The government can't do that.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative "Protecting our rights is probably the most important thing our legislature does"


According to the Gun Loons, only your precious pistols are capable of protecting your rights.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@jerk_store @valleynative@eric.nelson745 

That's not how the legislature works.  They don't "concentrate their efforts" on anything.  These bills were handed to them by an advocacy group.  They spent a small amount of time being discussed in committees and then were voted on by the whole.  Meanwhile, other work was going on in other committees.  The legislature handles far more bills per year than you seem to realize, of you believe that this small number is significant.


Protecting our rights is probably the most important thing our legislature does. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@RegisteredIndependent " more gun rights will become law"


What more than "the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Shall NOT be infringed" do you gun loons need?


You need mommy to load and fire your precious pistol for you too?




RegisteredIndependent
RegisteredIndependent

@DonkeyHotay @RegisteredIndependent At what point did I even imply I couldn't "stand the heat'?! Trust me O2 thief, I'm perfectly capable of "standing the heat!"
But hey...let's just make one thing clear. Go look out your window. it's ok, I'll wait.
See all that? it's AZ. These laws will pass, more gun rights will become law and if you don't like it then if you can't stand the laws, you should have chosen another state.


RegisteredIndependent
RegisteredIndependent

@logicman @valleynative @Gun-Man  I didn't have any problem understanding it either. I also have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen. Do i expect a fire? no, but I am prepared for one if it happens and don't simply think that if I call the Fire Dept. they will come and save me so i don't need one. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Gun-Man  


I'm not arguing against seat belts.  I'm making a point that sailed over your head.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Gun-Man  

Fine, change "pass" to "enforce" in my post.

There is no such "right".

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