Tom Horne Testifies, Channels Bill Clinton

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Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne looked so peaceful during his testimony Wednesday afternoon that if someone told me he'd done a bong hit during lunch, I'd have to consider the possibility.

It was a marked change from the rest of the hearing into his, um, alleged campaign finance shenanigans, which began on Monday and concluded earlier than expected at five o'clock Wednesday, making every reporter in the room happier than Kiwi siren Lorde at this year's Grammy Awards.

When not under oath in Administrative Law Judge Tammy Eigenheer's courtroom, Horne's demeanor was that of a man recovering from the removal of a yard of innards.

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Judge Tammy Eigenheer eyes Attorney General Horne during his testimony on Wednesday

But when it came time to testify, it was like someone flipped a switch, and to each question from his attorney Michael Kimerer, Horne effortlessly exhaled a denial.

No, he never coordinated with his now-outreach director Kathleen Winn on the independent expenditure committee she was running during the 2010 general election, Business Leaders for Arizona.

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What about the deluge of phone calls between the two in October 2010, when Winn and Brian Murray, then of Lincoln Strategy Group, were collaborating on a TV ad attacking Horne's Democratic foe Felecia Rotellini?

Horne said he needed Winn's help with a real estate transaction, as he was selling one piece of property on 7th Avenue and McDowell Road for $1.35 million and buying another pricey lot at the same time.

Listen to audio from the hearing on Horne's alleged campaign finance improprieties.

This, though he already had a broker, Greg Tatham, husband to Horne's onetime public information officer Amy Rezzonico. Also, there's no paperwork to demonstrate that Winn, a mortgage loan officer at the time, had anything to do with the deal.

Horne admitted that "Kathleen had no formal role" in the transaction, and yet, during calls lasting eight, four and 11 minutes on October 20, 2010, when Winn was trading e-mails with Murray, finalizing the ad in question, Horne said he and Winn were talking about wrapping up the property swap.

Too bad there are no e-mails from back then documenting Winn's involvement. If there were, you can bet the defense would have submitted them as evidence.

There are e-mails to and from Horne, Tatham and others involved in the deal, but there are none to and from Winn regarding that transaction, she is not cc'd on the e-mails, and she is never mentioned in any of them.

Kimerer directly asked Horne if he and Winn ever discussed BLA's attack ad.

"I absolutely did not give any input in the ad," Horne declared. "We never talked about it...I'm absolutely certain. We knew we could not and we did not."


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danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

hold on a minute.............so Tom Horne, the guy who thinks he's smarter than everybody, doesnt understand a email? the guy smarter than everybody else, doesnt know how to cut and paste messages, or even select content? wouldnt that be kind of like "dont open an email if you dont know who its from"??? if you are an elected official and you get an email you dont understand......................why would you forward it with your name attached to it? also if you dont read it or understand it................how do you know  who to forward it to?  Tom knew who to forward it to, 

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Horne's done. It's official.

He just admitted he violated the law. The same law he swore to uphold.

Boot him out. Now.

DNichols
DNichols

Arizonan's Do you know how to:

#1  Lie.

#2  Cheat.

#3. Steal.

#4. Want to be a Bigot.

#5. Help cover up, and hide Corruption

#6. Cook Record Books.

#7.  Use others around you as Scape Goats..

#8. Accept Bribes.

If you answered yes to any or all of these questions please run for Political Office in Arizona.

This message is in no way affiliated with the M.C.S.O., the Attorney Generals Office, the Maricopa County Attorneys Office, or the G.O.P. Party, and or G.O.P. Extremist wing Nuts or Neo Nazi's.

FRONTERA
FRONTERA

Campaign finance law is not always easy to understand ,but from what I have been reading hear, it sure looks like Horne violated the law. It is about time Arizona gets an AG with integrity . This is why I will vote for Rotellini.   

Cozz
Cozz topcommenter

Calm, you bet, Horne like all politicians are professional liars and can lie through their teeth as calm as can be.

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

""I absolutely did not give any input in the ad," Horne declared. "We never talked about it...I'm absolutely certain. We knew we could not and we did not."

Shades of NJ Gov. Christie? 

slappy
slappy

A thought bubble over Horne's head would read, I got this...She really digs me. 

slappy
slappy

A thought bubble over Judge Eigenheer's head would read:  This guy is so full of shit. 

slappy
slappy

A thought bubble over Judge Eigenheer's head would read: This guy is so full of shit. 

teknik
teknik

I want to see some perjury  here, obvious lies under oath are obvious.

royalphoenix
royalphoenix

5 hours of calls in 13 days, who is Horne trying to B.S. Horne is a shining example of what is wrong in this state. peace

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Friends, real estate and Arizona "prison" state?

Mark  Goldman, friend of Chuck Coughlin, High Ground lobbyist / CCA?  Or Mark Goldman, friend of Andrew Thomas, who testified in the Arizona Supreme Court disciplinary hearings against Andrew Thomas / Lisa Aubuchon (both disbarred April 2012) and Rachel Alexander (sanctioned)? Who are all these people?  

Real estate transactions? Who's handling the real estate transactions and land deals for the jails, prisons, detention centers in the state of Arizona?  Just saying... as Arizona has ramped up to become the "dumping" grounds for other states' prisoners, creating liabilities for Arizona's taxpayers. Meanwhile, the conservative states have cut their prison population, reformed draconian sentencing laws and saved THEIR taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars -- while, our elected officials are denigrating their offices and wasting taxpayers dollars on their soap operas?

Reminds us... (Clinton hearing) while the media and the nation were focused on the semen on the "blue dress", Bin Laden was planning eventual attacks --  the ancient monuments in Afghanistan, followed by 9/11. 

What is really going on behind the scenes in Arizona? The office of the Attorney General has been disgraced and lacks credibility under its current leadership. Real estate deals about what? The public has a right to know about these "land" deals.  Who's investigating this?

TommyCollins
TommyCollins topcommenter

Deny, deny, deny.


But, at least he didn't feign having 'the flu' and he didn't use the 'I don't recall' stature of the local shurf.


He simply tried to lie his way out of the conspiracy.


Lame.


As always.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

lol i was waiting for him to say "i did not have relations with that woman..we just like to hang in bed at lunch"

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

Mr. Lemons, Excellent reporting! Have to come here to find the truth.

DNichols
DNichols

Horne:

"I did not criminally conspire with that Woman, Mrs. Chenal, ur I mean Winn."

"What is is?"

taxintim
taxintim

@Cozz  And that is the real reason lie detector test are inadmissible. If everything you say is a lie, then there is no difference to detect.

DNichols
DNichols

@ david-saint01

I wonder when they were "wrapping up the property swap", what other property they swapped?

ConcernedCitizenAZ
ConcernedCitizenAZ topcommenter

@royalphoenix  What applies to the people should apply to those in a position of awesome power and trust.

Reminder: Arizona's zero tolerance policies - preponderance of evidence send ordinary people straight to jail, where they wear jail stripes for their court appearances, not silk jackets and coiffed hair.

Those who enable the accused are treated as if they committed the crime as well. Like "felony murder", even though the person was sitting in a car blocks away and didn't even know it was going to happen and a person was shot and killed.

The system, the prosecutors and lawmakers created for "others", should apply to them. And especially, the top State prosecutor -- the state attorney general. The AG's office has NO credibility and has been turned into a mockery.

The top prosecutors are in a position of trust and awesome power over the people and the federal and taxpayers dollars that pour into the state.

The AG grandstands at the podium that he will take this case --Debra Milke -- to the U.S. Supreme Court myself!! -- after a higher court, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, overturned her conviction and sentence, and gave Arizona's justice system a scathing opinion. 

Until Arizona's prosecutors get the same punishment, they want for "others", there will not be equal or fair justice in the state. 

Whose paying for the team of defense lawyers that the ordinary person could never afford for themselves, not even one of them?





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