Arizona's Guns-in-Schools Bill Makes a Comeback

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For the second year in a row, legislators have proposed allowing people other than police officers to have guns on school campuses.

Attorney General Tom Horne pushed for the legislation last year in response to the Newtown, Connecticut, massacre of schoolchildren, as he called for one person in every school to have access to a firearm "to handle emergency situations."

House Bill 2412, proposed this session by Republican Representatives David Stevens and David Gowan, would make such a program optional for schools, just as last year's bill would have.

"The Attorney General, in coordination with the Department of Public Safety, shall provide training to a school district or charter school employee who has been approved and designated by the school district governing board or the governing body of the charter school to store a firearm on the school campus for the purpose of defending that school campus," one provision in the bill says.

The firearm would have to be stored in a "secure firearm locker." So in the case of a school shooting, the lone employee with the key to access to the gun would have to first retrieve that gun from the locker in the midst of this shooting, before attempting to be the hero and take out the shooter.

Last year's bill never even got a committee hearing.

"It would be ideal to have an armed Police Officer in each school," Horne said last year. "But since budget considerations make that unlikely, the next best solution is to have one person in the school trained to handle firearms, to handle emergency situations, and possessing a firearm in a secure location.

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david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

how about we get rid of the unnecessary private prisons, and put that money back into the budget so each school has at least one officer. Easy, done deal..but no, the state GOP is bought and paid for by CCA. 

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

Stupid idea supported by stupid people. We don't have to live like we are in a bad western movie folks. Instead of funding education and CPS, this is what our legislatures come up with?  

ReggieVV
ReggieVV

Pea shooters for pea brained ideas. Make it bazookas.

cassityg32
cassityg32

So if a shooter enters & starts blasting away the 1 person appointed to have a weapon will then stop, rush to wherever the weapon may be (assuming he isn't gunned down in the process), get to the locked box, unlock it, take the weapon & proceed to "protect" the children?? How long did it take for the shooter to kill all those kids? Another wonderfully orchestrated idea from our brilliant Az leaders....

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

And, I have to add, that if a person has the training, the weapon and the opportunity to stop a shooter from killing innocent children, and chooses to exercise that opportunity, it takes a real asshole to accuse that person of "attempting to be the hero".


If you think it's best to hide under a desk and hope the government will come and save your butt, be my guest, but you embarrass yourself by attempting to demean a person for trying to save children's lives.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

"... the lone employee with the key to access to the gun would have to first retrieve that gun from the locker in the midst of this shooting, before attempting to be the hero and take out the shooter."

1. Where do you get "lone employee"?  Schools may designate one or more employees.


2. Why do you imagine a key?  A combination lock would be a better choice.  Many gun safes can be opened in under 2 seconds via the correct combination of simultaneous button presses.


3. What is significant about "in the midst of this shooting"?  When else would anybody respond?  Are you imagining that the employee would have to run through live fire to get to the safe?  Many school employees are almost always near their desks and so could almost always be near the gun safe.

4. Why do you imagine that the employee would have to "take out the shooter"?  Being armed doesn't mean you have to shoot.  It means that you can shoot if you have to, giving you the freedom to get close enough to talk to the shooter.   Yelling "Freeze!  Drop the weapon!" in an authoritative voice is more effective than you imagine.  You only have to actually shoot if he fails to comply.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@cassityg32 ... it always works those TV dramas and Hollywood hero movies.


In fact, any Hollywood hero worth their Oscar nomination should be able to take out an entire platoon of machine-gun firing "bad guys" with a single pistol ... and of course when heroes do get shot, it's always just a "flesh wound".



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative  "Yelling "Freeze!  Drop the weapon!" in an authoritative voice is more effective than you imagine."


Delusional TV nonsense.


valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

What part of what I said suggests that I believe that good guys always win?  Talk about delusional! 

Does the fact that good guys don't always win mean that you should hide under a desk with Matthew?  Good luck to you, coward.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

What's the basis for your dispute?  You have vast experience?  Statistics? Or just a gut feeling because you know you can't be wrong? 

Do you think I said that it always works?  Works most of the time, works a third of the time?  What did I really say?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... still don't have a shred of statistical evidence to support your laughable Television delusions, do you?



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

I've never said that it's very effective, simply more so than people like you seem to imagine, meaning that it's always what you try first, and that if you do, sometimes you won't have to shoot.  If you really still need "evidence" that this obvious fact is true, you're even dumber than I thought.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@FreeTheWeed 

And you're really so stupid as to think that this means that words are more effective as a general rule?  Take a class in critical thinking.

FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed topcommenter

Number of school shootings stored by armed guards = 0

Number of school shootings stopped by unarmed teachers simply asking student to put the gun down = at least 1

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay@valleynative 

You're a proven idiot who's made up his mind and is making up nonsense to support his position.

In the Ft Hood shooting NONE of the trained soldiers around him were armed.  The military doesn't walk around carrying rifles on base, genius.  The shooting ended when somebody with a gun finally arrived.


Again, most school shootings involve no planning at all, so having guards will not increase their effectiveness, but will be more likely to stop them than a teacher simply asking the student to put the gun down.

 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... you simply invent whatever nonsense fits your preconceived delusions, don't you?


There are MASS SHOOTINGS / MURDERS inside U$ MILITARY BASES ... and not one of the 100s of guns, rifles, or other weapons that highly trained soldiers possessed prevented shit.


An armed guard at schools will guarantee that potential shooters/killers will better plan and execute their attacks, with the probability of higher body counts as a result of that additional strategic planning.





valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

You're the one who's out of touch with reality.

Do you honestly believe that if an armed person on campus isn't absolutely guaranteed to stop every shooting that it shouldn't be tried?


It really only has to save one life to be worth the minor expense.


The people who decide to shoot up schools don't usually plan carefully.  They're usually upset emotional and spontaneous.  Columbine was a notable exception.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... there were multiple trained and armed citizens present when  Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in Tuscon ... and it was all over so fast that not a single one of them even had time to draw their weapon, much less properly target and fire it.



There was a Sheriff deputy School Security Officer present when Karl Pierson entered and opened fire at Arapaho High School, killing one student before he committed suicide. It was all over in 80 SECONDS, before the Officer even knew where the shooter was, much less had time to engage him.


If ARMED SECURITY is installed at schools, the shooters-students KNOW this and will adjust their PLAN OF ATTACK accordingly.


Your fantasies of an "armed hero" saving the day are just that -- fantasies.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... so you admit that teachers do NOT need guns to stop school shooters.


Noted.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Apparently you missed the recent shooting that was stopped simply by a teacher telling the shooter to put the gun down.  You should try to get out more.  The real world isn't much like the one you imagine.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative " It's standard procedure to shout first, before shooting."


@valleynative "There is plenty of evidence that shouting will stop shooters."


Into the Archive of Idiocy and Shame for those laughable turds.


valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Actual training, moron.  Good luck in life being as stupid as you seem to be.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative " It's standard procedure to shout first, before shooting."


LOL! ... you watch WAAAAY too much TV.


You do realize that Hollywoood bullshit is FICTION, don't you numbnuts?



fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

@valleynative @DonkeyHotay Dang valley, you must really enjoy attempting to speak rationally to irrational people.  The donkey boy is a proven dumb-ass and cannot be reasoned with.  He is not intelligent enough to understand.  Simply bitch slap him and move on.  I've kicked his ass so many times for simple pleasure, he's going to have to change his name, since he has no ass left.   

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Here's a simple piece of evidence:  It's standard procedure to shout first, before shooting.  Why would that be if it's a complete waste of time?

It clearly doesn't have to work very often at all to be, as I stated, "more effective than you realize".

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative "There is plenty of evidence that shouting will stop shooters."


Yet you've provided NONE, other than your hysterical Hollywood delusion.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@FreeTheWeed 

Again, you're simply making it clear that you don't understand what I'm talking about.  There is plenty of evidence that shouting will stop shooters.  You even cited the case of the teacher who simply asked the shooter to put the gun down.  Are you really so completely dense as to be arguing with yourself?   That's hilarious.

FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed topcommenter

So you have zero evidence to support your absurd Hollywood delusion other than your gut feeling from watching cop shows on TV?

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@FreeTheWeed 

So what you're telling the world is that you, like the known idiot DonkeyHotay, don't understand what "more effective than you imagine" means.

Brave of you.

FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed topcommenter

"Yelling "Freeze!  Drop the weapon!" in an authoritative voice is more effective than you imagine."

ROTFLMAO!

How many homicidal / suicidal killers have you stopped with that laughable Hollywood nonsense in your "vast experience" ?

Got statistics?

Lolz!

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