Republican Legislators Look to Lower Arizona's Concealed-Carry Age to 19 for Military Members

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Some Arizona lawmakers are proposing lowering the age limit for a concealed-weapon permit to 19 for military members.

Although a concealed-weapon permit isn't required for people 21 or older, the permit process still exists, and this new legislation would allow military members as young as 19 to obtain a permit.

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The legislation, House Bill 2103, is sponsored or co-sponsored by 13 Republican legislators.

If a member of the military was honorably or generally discharged before age 21, he or she would still be eligible to get the concealed-carry permit under this bill.

The bill is one of about a dozen firearm-related bills proposed so far during this legislative session, which just got under way last week.

Although Arizona law generally allows people over age 18 to openly carry a firearm, the age is raised to 21 for those who want to carry a concealed weapon.

The need for a concealed-carry permit was removed by legislation that went into effect in 2010.

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elmergantry71
elmergantry71

Just what we need: more punks with guns on the streets.

TommyCollins
TommyCollins topcommenter

Seriously, what are 'they' thinking? I can't imagine why anyone would feel the need for this.

Lucia Perry
Lucia Perry

Nononono.not unless they get PTSD help.

Jamie Schaffer McGuire
Jamie Schaffer McGuire

Great idea. Everyone knows criminals don't follow the rules so why not allow our younger military members to do legally?

Thor Shreddington
Thor Shreddington

LOL, you people are fucking stupid! "Maybe with a Class that MUST BE ATTENDED AND PASSED PRIOR TO BEING ALLOWED" You mean like BASIC FUCKING TRAINING FROM THE MILITARY?! Read!

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scott.huminski

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James Blackwell
James Blackwell

I think it's a good idea. It's only military and its only lowering the permit age which requires a class and finger printing to acquire. It does nothing to change the everyone who can buy can conceal at 21 which is currently in effect.

Michael Swann
Michael Swann

shutup libs. you people are the reason az is going to shit. stop tryong to turn us into california.

Michael Swann
Michael Swann

Shut up you dumbass lib. You can join the army at 18. Why can't you carry at 19. Get over yourself fuckhead

Brandon Doyle
Brandon Doyle

Better legalize pot too then. I want to walk around in a stoned haze all day until some Odd Future fan kills me for messing up his line at a skatepark.

Julie Polick de Haven
Julie Polick de Haven

Seriously??? Why not 16? I mean if you can drive yr old enuf to kill people right???

Jesse Adams
Jesse Adams

its for military member who are 19, not every 19 year old including civies. Jesus read.

Jd Wolfmeyer
Jd Wolfmeyer

how about requiring schools to teach math and science for 5 hours a day...apply english and writing skills to social studies curriculum for a couple hours a day...and music for another hour...you could also count music as a science

Fred Isaac
Fred Isaac

Maybe with a Class that MUST BE ATTENDED AND PASSED PRIOR TO BEING ALLOWED

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@TommyCollins 


I imagine they're thinking that adults who've been trained in the use of firearms and have shown a certain level of personal responsibility and respect for authority should be allowed to defend themselves even if they're 2 years younger than what would be allowed for the average person on the street.


What is there about it that puzzles you?



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

Because everybody in the military has PTSD?  Stereotype much?

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

And you really don't feel any obligation at all to share the experiences or knowledge that leads you to this conclusion?  That's might selfish of you.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

Because there have been so many random shootings by the 10's of thousands of us who have concealed carry permits?


valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

How many honorably discharged military are 16?

Next time, at least read the entire headline before commenting.


fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

So, in your twisted little brain, if one has a permit to carry a gun, that makes that person a killer?  Stupid fucking bitch!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

Because that would cause kids to drop out, and that would cause a loss of federal funds.  Federal funds are based on attendance, not performance.  One of the unintended consequences of allowing the feds into our school system.

fishingblues
fishingblues topcommenter

Get rid of the unions and you might get your wish.  

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

What do you think a permit means?   Of course you have to take a class and pass a test, as well as an FBI background check and having your fingerprints on file.

TommyCollins
TommyCollins topcommenter

@valleynative Native, I simply don't see a 'need' for anyone under 21 to be carrying concealed, period. Military or not.... but thanks for your feedback.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative Because everybody in the military is qualified to carry a concealed handgun in public?


Not even the MILITARY itself allows soldiers -- much less TEENAGE soldiers -- to carry CONCEALED handguns while on base.


Guess why?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... The U$ Military doesn't even trust these knuckleheads to CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS while on military bases.



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative


From the ValleyNative Lexicon --


"critical thinking" = make up shit without even contemplating how absurd it is.


Show us the STATS and EVIDENCE to support your laughably absurd assertion that young military enlistees are "more responsible than the general population. "


LOL!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay@valleynative 

You just completely lack critical thinking skills.

Take a class at a community college.  Until you learn to interpret the information you hear correctly, it's just not worth trying to have a discussion with you.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative "but being in the military means that they have had at least some firearms training"


NO CONCEALED Handgun training, NO LEGAL training. They are trained TO KILL.


@valleynative "and that they are, on average, more responsible than the general population. "


Complete BULLSHIT. You just MAKE SHIT UP don't you?


They are more likely to be RAPISTS than the general population -- 


According to a 2011 Newsweek report, women are more likely to be assaulted by a fellow soldier than killed in combat. The Department of Defense estimates there are about 19,000 sexual assaults in the military per year but according to the latest Pentagon statistics (2013), only 1,108 troops filed for an investigation during the most recent yearly reporting period and during that period, only 575 cases were processed. No outside audit has been conducted of the military's numbers. Of the cases processed, only 96 went to court-martial.[1] Another investigation found that only one in five females and one in 15 males in the United States Air Force would report having been sexually assaulted by service members.[2]

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

Among the points you're missing are 

1) they still have to pass the class, test, interview and background check involved in getting a CCW license.

2) Most people seem to feel that 19 is too young to allow the general population to carry concealed, but being in the military means that they have had at least some firearms training and that they are, on average, more responsible than the general population.  Nobody is saying they're experts, just better trained and more responsible than the average 19yo.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... are there many homicides and mass murders using iPods?


The myth that simply because some knucklehead enlisted in the military they are suddenly qualified or expert at anything, much less everything is as absurd as the societal myth that becoming a cop makes all cops experts at all things.


Neither of those two career choices guarantees MENTAL or EMOTIONAL stability, nor prevents them from committing criminal acts.


If 19 year olds -- why not 18 ?? -- are allowed concealed carry of handguns, then ALL 19 year old adult citizens should be afforded that privilege, not just military. 



DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative "Nobody is saying they're qualified to carry concealed until they complete the required CCW training and testing."


Then ANY OTHER 19 year old should  be allowed to take and qualify via the same CCW training and testing.


Civilized society doesn't grant special rights status to ex-military while denying those same rights to taxpaying civilians.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay 

Nobody is saying they're qualified to carry concealed until they complete the required CCW training and testing.  Simply that they're more likely to be qualified than the average 19yo, to the extent that they should be allowed to apply, rather than being automatically disqualified based entirely on their age.


FreeTheWeed
FreeTheWeed

Well if teenage military are considered too young and irresponsible "on average" to handle a beer then they are certainly too young and irresponsible to carry concealed firearms in public.

QED

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

For the same reason we don't allow them to drink.  Society considers them to be too young and irresponsible on average.  Demonstrated maturity and level of training of a particular subset of 19yo's merits special consideration.

A better question might be "Why did Congress decide to lower the voting age to 18?", and the answer, of course, is that "young and irresponsible" means "easily swayed by political rhetoric", making them ideal voters.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... so ANY 19 yr old should be allowed to take the same class and pass the same test and background check.


Why stop at 19? ... the age of adulthood is 18. Why deny ADULTS age 18 the same rights? 







valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay@valleynative 

We don't.  We require them to take the same class and pass the same test and background check as a civilian.  Are you not paying attention?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative .... if the U$ Military doesn't trust them or allow them to Carry Concealed Handguns while on military bases, why should civilian society trust them or allow it?


HipTip: Civilized society doesn't fawn and worship the military, nor should it grant them any special rights that are denied to ordinary citizens. The Constitution doesn't provide for preferential rights based on career choices.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay

That's completely non sequitur

The U.S. Military doesn't allow them to do a lot of things that they can do as civilians.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@valleynative ... the reporter didn't shoot and kill someone in a movie theater with their concealed handgun for merely texting.


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