Phoenix Woman Killed After Boyfriend Pulls Out Gun During Uncomfortable Hug

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A 24-year-old Phoenix woman is dead after being shot by her boyfriend.

Phoenix Police Sergeant Tommy Thompson says the shooting appears to be an accident.

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The woman, Amanda Mosley, was being hugged by her 18-year-old boyfriend at a home near 86th Avenue and Camelback Road on Tuesday, but the hug was uncomfortable to her since her boyfriend had a handgun in his waist.

Thompson says Mosley's boyfriend -- whose name wasn't released -- pulled the gun out of his waistband, and it discharged, hitting Mosley.

Mosley was hospitalized but died as a result of the shooting.

Thompson says it appears that the whole thing was accidental, but it's still being investigated, and the case will be submitted to the Maricopa County Attorney's Office.

By our count, Mosley is the 11th person in the state to be killed this year in an "accidental" shooting.

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itsbuddy26
itsbuddy26

I know her personally.......AMANDA MOSLEY is her name and she wasn't just some woman. She was an amazing person who was killed because he was very stupid with that gun. I knew he was going to do something stupid just didn't know it would be this horrible. But thank the lucky stars HE'S BEEN ARRESTED for this and I hope he pays for what he's done. 

farwalker7
farwalker7

An "accident"? And that makes it alright? With great power comes great responsibility. This stupid man deserves eight years in jail at a minimum.

Heartland_Patriot
Heartland_Patriot

If you are legally carrying a handgun concealed, then you should also be using a holster appropriate to the situation.  And yes, they even make holsters for carrying pocket pistols.  So this sort of thing is just a pure case of irresponsibility and poor handling of firearms.  Besides, its illegal for someone under 21 to purchase a handgun, so where did an 18-year old get one?  The whole thing just doesn't seem right.

dimitri_667
dimitri_667

People with the stupid ass comments should have more respect a young girl lost her life because of the stupidity of a boy. My cousin was a wonderful woman and just an all around beautiful human being, that being said I hope the boy pays for his mistake.

Slappy
Slappy

That happened to me once.  I no longer can have an erection.  With some re-plumbing, I now pee sitting down. 

shadeaux14
shadeaux14 topcommenter

This is your pistol,

This is your gun,

This is for fighting,

This is for ......................OOPS!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

Even if we were to excuse the discharge as accidental, the trigger having somehow pulled itself, Why the hell was it pointed at her, even for a fraction of a second?

Always know where it's pointed and that it's a safe direction.

Those basic safety rules apply every second, no matter how much of a macho stud you think you are.


Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

No such thing as an accidental shooting, just an irresponsible gun owner.

Before I get flamed, I support gun rights 100%, reasonable ones that hold people responsible

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

Her boyfriend "pulled the gun out of his waistband, and it discharged," hitting her. Accidental? In theory at least. But WTF was the gun doing in his waistband? Is he a gangster ready to shoot at a member of a rival gang? Probably. Is he a "prohibited person?" I'm sure the cops are looking at that aspect. This accident may put him in the slammer for a few years. If so, good. But it's a shame that the girl is dead. Sympathies go out to her family.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative 

If I may add to the comment about triggers....

People, get it through your thick heads, triggers are for FIRING, nothing more. It's not a grip, it's not a loop, it's a TRIGGER and it does not get TOUCHED until you are ready to fire.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@eric.nelson745 

Why he had the gun is not the issue, he has the right to have it, end of story.

The problem is not why, it's not the having of it, it's the mishandling of it by an irresponsible gun owner. 

booyakasha
booyakasha

@eric.nelson745 inside waistband holsters are quite common, I have one myself. I wouldn't expect a libtard to know anything about firearms or firearm accesories, so that's why I'm clueing you in.

teknik
teknik topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @valleynative not only that but you never ever not even slightly point the gun at someone, even if the gun is in pieces on the table being cleaned you never ever point it at someone unless you intend to shoot it.


how long does it take to chamber a round anyway? You should be practiced at drawing and chambering the weapon.

headphonz
headphonz

@Flyer9753 @eric.nelson745 No, it's not the end of the story.  How do you know he "has a right to it."  Do you know if he's a felon? has a CWP?  has a license at all?  The kid is 18...

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @eric.nelson745 Touche. But the mere fact that he was concealing the gun in his pants speaks to his intentions. He's not merely a homeowner ready to defend his family from intruders.

liberalinthedesertaz
liberalinthedesertaz

@booyakasha @eric.nelson745 hate to burst your bubble, but this libtard that hates guns knows enough about them to know this.. STFU and grow up and go thump your copy of guns and ammo while you masturbate in your own feces.. 

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@booyakasha @eric.nelson745 I don't think he had a waistband holster. The gun was just tucked in there, the way Plaxico Burriss stashed his illegal gun. The safety was off, so BLAM! Plaxico nearly shot his balls off and the gangster living near 85th Ave and Camelback iced his girlfriend. Now my question is, were you in your post in any way defending that mofo?

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@booyakasha @eric.nelson745  

If you're wearing an IWB holster, and want to remove it from your waistband, you simply unclip the entire holster.   The trigger is never exposed, so there's no "accidental" discharge.

If you're a moron with a pistol tucked into your pants like the cool guys you've seen on TV, there's a really good chance that you're also dumb enough to allow your finger inside the trigger guard while handling it.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@booyakasha @eric.nelson745 

You had such a great comment going there.... until you showed yourself to be no different from the 'libtards' you hold in such high regard by even going there when it was not called for.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@teknik  

If you're a gang-banger, carrying mostly for show and likely to be the first to draw, then you probably want to have the chamber empty so you can do the dramatic slide rack like you see on TV without the embarrassment of having one of your rounds roll across the floor.

But when you're drawing in self-defense, you're reacting, rather than acting, so you're already a couple of beats behind.  Add to that the fact that your off-hand might not be free to work the slide, and having a round already chambered is simply too likely to be the difference between life and death.

If you don't trust your gun handling skills enough to carry with one in the chamber, don't carry until you've got more experience.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@headphonz @Flyer9753 @eric.nelson745 

Since I am not an idiot who makes assumptions (like you) is why.

Based on the information we have, he has a right to it and my comment stands.

Go play 'what if' somewhere else child.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@eric.nelson745 

eh.. my g/f already has my dick in her pocket already anyways :)

Good talk Eric :)

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @eric.nelson745 @valleynative There was the guy with a pistol in his pants pocket. He went to retrieve it for whatever reason and it discharged, nearly blowing off his dick (it was hanging by a thread almost). Accidents will happen! So I implore you to be careful. I mean it! Also, I will concede that you are the shootin' iron expert in these here parts. You won't get anymore argument from me on technical details regarding firearms.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@eric.nelson745 @Flyer9753 @valleynative

I never said it did excuse him since there is no excuse for him, he is an irresponsible gun owner plain and simple. 

Anything else, including speculating on why he had it in his waistband, is just that, speculation and assumption and that aspect that he had it in his waistband means nothing - I have a 9mm in my waistband right now as I walk home typing this on my Android, does that mean I have it for a non-legitimate purpose?

I agree that he probably was not carrying it for a legitimate purpose, but that is based more on just his overall irresponsible handling of the firearm, than anything else.

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @valleynative @eric.nelson745 I'm glad you straightened us out on that. But it still doesn't excuse the dude living near 35th Ave and Camelback from pulling his piece out of his waistband and "accidentally" shooting his girlfriend dead. Why was he stashing it in his waistband? Something tells me that it was not for any legitimate purpose.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @valleynative @eric.nelson745 

I believe you're mistaken.  All of the other age requirements you list are correct, but I believe you have to be 21 to carry concealed, with or without a permit.  

I haven't looked up the statute yet, but I have this quote from July 2010, although it's only from a newspaper:

"Today is the day gun-rights advocates have had in their sights for a long time.

Starting today, Arizona residents at least 21 years old can carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

The change is part of a broad weapons law by state Sen. Russell Pearce passed by the state Legislature in April that eases restrictions on concealed carry and stiffens penalties for committing a crime while carrying a concealed weapon."

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @eric.nelson745 

Incorrect.

In Arizona there is no requirement for a concealed permit to carry concealed except in certain locations. 

You only need to be 21 to get a concealed permit.

You only need to be 21 to purchase the firearm from a licensed dealer

You can be under 21 and be given the gun as a gift.

You only need be over 18 to purchase from a private citizen

Anyone over the age of 18 in the State of Arizona can carry a concealed weapon so long as they are not a felon, so long as they do not do so in the few places where a CCW Permit is required (state bldgs, places that serve alcohol for consumption, etc..)

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@eric.nelson745

He was 18, which means he was carrying illegally.  

Most honest citizens who carry, carry concealed.  That's one reason why people who fear guns so grossly underestimate our number.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@eric.nelson745 @Flyer9753 

Not true. I carry most of the time, but no one ever knows it because it's concealed and quite often checking on the properties I own is exactly what I am doing. 

Most responsible owners do carry concealed, because that is usually the most responsible way to carry a firearm in public.

I understand what you are trying to say, you are just making a few assumptions and saying it the wrong way.

Was this guy an idiot, hell yes. Was he an irresponsible gun owner, hell yes. Where his actions in any way anything other than those of an irresponsible gun owner? No. Do his actions reflect on responsible gun owners? NO.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @Flyer9753 

I slightly misunderstood you. You are correct that guns specifically designed for concealed carry, often do not have external safeties due to the risk of it catching on something, as you point out.

However... that only applies to guns designed specifically for that, and that constitutes probably less than 20% of all the guns being carried concealed in this country.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@eric.nelson745 @Flyer9753 @valleynative @booyakasha 

I am going to assume you mean that statement with the added 'when not in use' attached, otherwise it's a ludicrous statement.

When not in use, I will agree they need to be stored correctly.

A trigger lock on a loaded but not chambered weapon when not in use is fine. A lockbox with a rapid push button combination lock is preferable IMO.

As to during carry, open or concealed, carrying non-chambered is good for one thing and one thing only - getting yourself killed.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Flyer9753

I know that I've never seen a Glock with an external safety level, although I believe they exist.

Most have only the trigger safety that's visible.

My primary carry gun has a grip safety and a trigger safety, but no safety switch that can be switched "off" as eric suggested.  None of my other guns that were designed to be carried have safeties, at all.

Sure, any gun can by carried concealed, but some are specifically designed for concealed carry, and few of them have external safeties, since safeties tend to snag on clothing and/or increase width.  They generally have stronger and longer trigger pulls to compensate.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @eric.nelson745 @booyakasha 

Go look at a Glock

Or many other manufacturers, almost all have weapons with or without safety and any weapon can be carried concealed.

All safeties can be switched on and off, how else do you take the safety off to fire it? 

Most auto's have a thumb releasable safety, that unless you have practiced, is very easy to hit when drawing, and practicing is what responsible owners do.

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