DREAMers Burn High School Diplomas at AG's Office to Protest College-Tuition Lawsuit

Categories: Higher Learning

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DREAMers burned their high school diplomas in front of Tom Horne's office today.
Several DREAMers burned copies of their high school diplomas at the state Attorney General's Office today to protest a lawsuit that would deny them in-state college tuition.

Dressed in graduation garb, four group members then tried to deliver a burrito from a food truck to Horne, hoping to symbolize their potential future without a degree.

See also:
- Tom Horne Not Budging on Tuition for DREAMers

AG Tom Horne launched the lawsuit against the Maricopa Community Colleges in June in an effort to get the colleges to stop giving in-state tuition to young undocumented immigrants who qualify for deferred immigration enforcement under a policy set last year by the Obama Administration.

Tuesday's made-for-TV-media event at Horne's office, 1275 West Washington Street, was put on by Citizens for a Better Arizona and appeared to be coordinated by activist Randy Parraz.

Last week, Horne met with a dozen members from the group at his office, listening to their pleas to drop the lawsuit. Horne wouldn't budge, so the group unveiled a poster that included the line that Horne "cheated on his wife." One activist was arrested and handcuffed when she defied an order by Arizona Department of Public Safety officers to leave.

Today, DPS officers made sure no one got past the front lobby. But Parraz and the group made their point.

Raquel Guerrero, who went to Estrella High School in Avondale, says she's going to college and working toward her career goals.

"If they take away that, they take away my life," she says.

Out-of-state tuition is nearly triple the cost, and that's too much, the DREAMers say.

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Raquel Guerrero (with Democratic activist Barry McCain behind her).

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Randy Parraz directs a food truck outside the AG's headquarters.


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WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

The FACT that these folks are now on deferred action, MEANS THEY ARE NOW LEGAL!


Why is it that HorniBoi and Brewski just can not comprehend that simple FACT!

FRONTERA
FRONTERA

Great job dreamers and all in involved. One things for sure ,media loves YOU GUYS AND THIS KIND OF STUFF .Don't stop ,don't quit - SI SE PUEDE "

royalphoenix
royalphoenix

Horne pay the 1/2 million he owes yet ? peace

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

To New Times

Sorry for kinda of taking over your blog on this story.. but maybe if you paid attention to people committing illegal acts (direct death threats) on your servers, this would not be needed.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

It serves no purpose to make college difficult for these kids. Even Texas allows in state tuition for Dreamers. The college wants it and it's good for the economy.  

I guess thats two reasons Arizona republicans are against it.  

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

Hey @robert_graham in case you forgot, here is the comment where you directly threatened me:

"How about this. Let me tell you here publicly that I will fuck you up - either with a baseball bat, a tire iron or something else.  

YEAH I SAID IT ASSHOLE!!!!!"

Yeah you said it alright.... still waiting Robert... 

Do you do ANYTHING you say??? 

robert_graham
robert_graham

It's interesting that no Tea Party rallies have ever been disobedient like this.

robert_graham
robert_graham

Another comment just posted on abc15.com is:

Wendy, I am a legal Mexican American and get very angry when I hear illegal individuals from OTHER countries complain about this country. I love my country and enjoy visiting my family's country in Mexico. I wanted to thank you for stating that not all Mexicans are illegal as this has become an issue for many Hispanic Americans in this country. Some of us are actual productive Mexican American citizens contributing to our country.

You better listen because it's true, very true.

robert_graham
robert_graham

What fucking IDIOTS, they think they are entitled to everything?? That little temper tantrum really cuts the cake and proves what morons they all are. Have you seen the comments in response to the abc15.com article about this??? They are:

How absolutely idiotic to burn your diploma...like WendyRyan said, what audacity...a diploma paid for by real honest citizens. And you little morons demand more??? OH PLEASE!

I cannot believe you have the audacity to burn that diploma - your education was paid for by the tax paying legal citizens of this state. How dare you! You think it is worthless? Then go back to Mexico and go to college there since you hate it here so much. I cannot wait until the day all the legal citizens of this country revolt against the invaders moving in here demanding their rights. Lesson number one. In state tuition is for legal Americans living in state. You are not. You are entitled to nothing.

And all LEGAL Americans of Mexican descent - you need to start speaking up. You worked hard to achieve what you have, don't let these freeloaders keep on shaming you! Be proud, be legal, be American and stand up for YOUR earned rights as a legal immigrant to this country.

I agree.

First they cried like babies for drivers licenses and now they are crying like babies for in state tuition?  They seem to have forgotten that Obama just gave them a work permit, not a pass to go to college.  What will they be crying next for, free welfare and food stamps and the right to vote? They are pathetic!

yourproductsucks2
yourproductsucks2 topcommenter

Obama clearly stated that deferred action did not change the dreamers status. it was a sham that seems to have worked in convincing Hispanics that Obama cares about them.

john043012
john043012 topcommenter

@WhoKnows They are allowed to stay here without fear of deportation for 2 years The clock started ticking on June 10th 2012 and unless by some stroke of luck that congress acts before the end of the year C.I.R, is dead. Democrats point out that all the polls show 80% of the majority in this country want a pathway to citizenship for those people yet they are the first ones(DEMOCRATS UP FOR RE ELECTION) who have stated it would a hot potato going into the 2014 midterm elections I just don't get it if this is what we want why are they so concerned about campaigning on it

Cozz
Cozz topcommenter

@dennis20  

Republicans want to keep everyone dumber than they are.

robert_graham
robert_graham

@Flyer9753 @robert_graham Nope I never said that.  If I had then why hasn't there been a knock at my door from the police to arrest me for making threats?  I welcome you to call them, and have them research it but they'll find that it did not come from me. I know better than to threaten people in comments that can come back on me.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham thats because the tea party is trying to claim tax exempt, meanwhile these people are having to pay triple the cost of tuition while still paying taxes for this state and this states schools. these people are out money, the tea party doesnt even want to pay their fair share

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham 

Hey when are you going to come fuck me up Robert?

You know if the opinion I expressed about how I think you are a homosexual pedophile per your web site ownership, was not true then it would not have bothered you so much... is it true Robert? Is that why you go so mad and threatened me with a baseball bat and tire iron?

hmmm......

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham 

Hey JAFfy, where is my subpoena bitch???

Why haven't you acknowledged you are wrong about the Debt Limit in your post earlier, just like this and everything else you say.... I know you have seen my reply, but like the little bitch you are, you now run away since it proves you wrong once again.

C'Mon Robert, serve me my subpoena... Why are you ticked anyways? I was just expressing my opinion that you are a homosexual pedophile like the web sites you own prove... am I not entitled to my opinion Robert? 

Or would you respond better to direct threats like you made to me when you said you would FUCK ME UP with a baseball bat.. or was it a tire iron?? You said it Robert, so which on are you going to use? Can you even lift and swing a bat, weaklings like you often have trouble with that.

So which is it going to be, baseball bat or tire iron? Or have you come up with something else you want to use? 

C'Mon Robert, come FUCK ME UP...

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham they arent paying "in state Tuition" Robert, they pay twice as much or more. i cant remember the actual numbers, but i think  it went something like  from $79 a credit hour to $300 a credit hour

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@Cozz @dennis20 

Good point... but I am not even sure that is possible... how can you have a negative iq? :)

Wait.. I forgot about Roberts example of negative IQ.....

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

"Nope I never said that."

LMAO yes you did you twit. And it can't be altered either. I just happen to have a friend who works for the cable company.

BTW, have you proven I'm an illegal yet Robert? Perhaps when my lawyers get through with you you'll behave yourself.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753

You never said it?? 

ROFLMFAO!!!!! It's in print on your account Robert... just keep thinking that.. maybe your defense attorney will believe it but the judge won't.

You are the one that said you were going to sue me Robert, so why haven't I been served yet??

Clearly you don't know better since you did post that on this article :http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2013/09/austin_del_castillo_shooting_tempe_police_asu.php

and that is stored on the server as well as on numerous backups, so your going back and deleting it doesn't matter Robert. The evidence is there, thanks to YOU!

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham be careful what you wish for Robert. i think you have been given a very generous gift of a free pass on that and you should be greatful for that

robert_graham
robert_graham

@Flyer9753 @robert_graham What you say does not bother me at all. I have learned to ignore you. But if you think that I am a homosexual pedophile because you think my replies bother you then because what I say to you really seems to bother you, then I'd hate to see what skeletons are in your closet.

You are simply a moron who fights back with slander when backed in a corner.  Truthfully if your agenda is not followed you will stop at nothing to shut the person up.

How would you react if you were accused of being a pedophile?

robert_graham
robert_graham

@Flyer9753 Why don't you just shutup. You keep blabbing in gibberish. Have you been up in the air lately or did that take a nosedive too?

robert_graham
robert_graham

@danzigsdaddy Okay fine maybe so but if I lived out of state and wanted to attend college there I'd pay out of state rates too wouldn't I.  Where are the protests over that?

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@ReggieVV 

Agreed.. but then I look at the likes of Robert/JAFfy, Arpaio, Horne, etc..etc...etc..  and wonder if there is actually a negative IQ scale... :)

ReggieVV
ReggieVV

How can you possibly be dumber than these Neanderthals are? I'll take 100 kids like them over one idiot like the lawbreaking Hornedog. Have him pay his fine to the scholarship fund of the Maricopa Community College district.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@dennis20

Thank you Dennis. 

Please do hang on to them, it's good to have copies everywhere :)

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@Flyer9753 If you haven't already-I took a screen shot of the original comment he made.  I have it if you need it. 

THE_JUDGE
THE_JUDGE

@robert_graham you fucking bitch, you have made those threats against me. Usually I wouldn't get into a penis competition with an impotent internet warrior like yourself, however,  I feel that your comments rise to such a level of repugnancy that I must address the issue.

I am willing to meet you anywhere you like to discuss your threats in person. There is no need to "find me" as I am right here eagerly awaiting our exchange of pleasantries. 

You lack the testicular fortitude to follow through with your threats. You are nothing but a sleazy impotent fool. A middle aged man whose interests include teenage boys, chronic masturbation and joe arpaio.

The worst mistake of your already fucked off and miserable existence would be finding me or anyone else and attempting to carry out your terrorist threats. You are not only a 'virtual" pussy that we kick around here, you are a pussy in life and don't forget it or you will be swiftly reminded of your pathetic stature in this world.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 

Yeah Robert.. let's see all those threats I made against Arpaio.. 

oh, you can't show them??? 

That's ok, I can easily show the threats you HAVE made against me.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 

LOL!! Go ahead and subpoena them.. I haven't made any threats against Arpaio... unlike you making threats against me, death threats no less.

So sure, go ahead and get all those threats against Arpaio, doesn't bother me at all, I didn't make them.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham oh there have been hundreds against Arpaio, i am sure there are many, but please show me where any of them were by Flyer

robert_graham
robert_graham

@Flyer9753 @robert_graham Okay let's see what happens then. Go ahead call the cops because if you do the case will go nowhere but at the same time when you show up to testify against me I will then get to see your ugly face.

And it will be at that time that I will ask that all threats made against Arpaio be subpoenaed too because there sure has been many of them. 

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham 

I am sure they are Robert, but we are not talking about them, we are talking about YOUR threats... the ones YOU made...

BTW - be sure to stick to that phoney story.. Contempt charges and Lying to a police officer charges are wonderful.. so make sure you tell that LIE to them and in court as well...

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 

lol - yeah right.. too bad you acknowledged it in further posts.. but I guess those are phoney too... just like you... 

Again, maybe your defense attorney will buy that, the judge won't.

robert_graham
robert_graham

@Flyer9753 @robert_graham It can be phonied. And I suppose that everybody's comments who have threatened Arpaio are stored on the servers too, right?

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

@robert_graham, kookoo, there u go fucking pussy ass bitch, u did that threat & many others. There is a complete folder dedicated just 2 ur threats boi, along with all d IPs  that u used at that time 2 generate them. There's no way out 4 u bitch. It doesn't matter that U R POOP DADDY's BITCH & if nothing is done against u......that could b tantamount 2 harboring a possible criminal. After  d Monitor is in place u might expect a knock on ur door. HASTA LA VISTA OL' BITCH.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham but they do investigate threats against Arpaio, and since Flyer did not threaten Arpaio,  but you did threaten Flyer.............why shouldnt you be arrested?

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 @danzigsdaddy 

Why not? You twist everyone elses words that way so why should you not get the same??

Besides, I am not twisting words, you DO thing you are above him and the law since you DID make threats, death threats and think that is perfectly fine, even though it's illegal.

You are the only one trying to twist things Robert.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @danzigsdaddy 

You clearly think YOU are more important than him since you think you can make threats and get away with it.

Hypocrite much are you?

robert_graham
robert_graham

@danzigsdaddy @robert_graham If I did make a threat why would the cops do anything about it if they won't investigate threats against Arpaio that you think should be ignored?  Are you more important than him?

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy @robert_graham 

Who says I haven't...

Sometimes it's good to allow some rope.... Especially when Robert is so good at providing the rope all on his own...

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham you are an idiot. i never said you threatened me, i said someone gave you a free pass. pay attention twit. Flyer could easily have turned that over to law enforcement and you should be grateful it wasnt

robert_graham
robert_graham

@danzigsdaddy @robert_graham I said I never threatened you.  But why would you offer to give me a free pass if I threatened your life? Do you want me to admit to it thinking that I might as well if you have offered to give me a pass?

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 

If it doesn't bother you then why did you threaten me Robert?

Do you ever not lie?

How did I slander you Robert? If I slandered you then where is your lawsuit against me????

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 

Why don't you shut up? You are the one making threats, death threats... why don't you shut up Robert?

Why don't you do what you say you are going to do Robert??

You are the one who said you were going to sue me... still waiting...

You were the one who said you were going to assault me.. still waiting..

You were the one who was wrong about the Debt Limit, just like you are wrong about everything.

You were the one who registered all those gay sex domains Robert, why are you so afraid to admit it? Come out of the closet Robert! 

Why are you getting so mad Robert? Truth hurts I guess....

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @Flyer9753 @danzigsdaddy 

aww... little baby sounds all tough when threatening people but once that person doesn't back down... you run away like a little girl... 

or a little homosexual pedophile..

C'Mon Robert... I posted your threat above so you have a reference to what you said... what's it going to be Robert? A baseball bat or a tire iron? 

Let me guess, you will steal the tire iron from the shell station in Fresno you work at... 

That would be par for the course for you....

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham just because you dont agree with defered status does not make it illegal. that is them having permission to be here.. if that didnt give them the right.......why hasnt Joe arrested them? he cant because they ARE here with permission now

robert_graham
robert_graham

@danzigsdaddy @robert_graham Yes they do live here but by law they are still illegal immigrants. Once they learned they were here illegally there was nothing stopping them from returning to their home countries to get a green card. That way they could return as legal immigrants and this would not be an issue.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @danzigsdaddy 

But they don't live out of state Robert... BTW, where is my subpoena bitch? When are you going to come FUCK ME UP like you threatened?

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@robert_graham @danzigsdaddy

"I see well if that's the case fine but unless in state tuition is given to everybody, they should not be entitled to it."

In State tuition IS given to everyone who lives in state, just like these people do. As Danzig pointed out, they actually pay MORE than other in state students.

Comprehension just fails you Robert.

Where is my subpoena bitch?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham nobody pays our in state tuition unless they are an Az resident and a natural citizen Robert, people from Fresno to New York all pay the higher tuition and so do the DACA recipients who DO live here and DO pay Az taxes

robert_graham
robert_graham

@danzigsdaddy Yes I understand quite well thank you. What I understand is that they are still by law, illegal immigrants and Arizona state law says that illegal immigrants shall pay out of state tuition. Just because they have a work permit that exempts them from deportation does not make them here legally and entitled to in state tuition rates.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham i am being serious Robert, do you really know what they are protesting? they are protesting that they have to pay even more money than the Arizona residents who are citizens.....that means THEY are paying it, not us

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@robert_graham them and their families. if they got a scholarship, that is still something we dont pay for

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