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This is the way Texas writes the American History textbooks that are sold to schools all over the country. Basically they just tell the kids, "Shit happens." That's what this report also says to me.
That jsut doesnt make a lot of sense to me dude.
Sometimes man, you jsut have to roll with it.
This report is pretty much what could be written, and still protect those that could have changed things. It tries to leave the bottom feeding lawyers as little ammo as possible in the anticipated lawsuits by the families of these guys.
Deep pockets are attractive to lawyers. The families of the dozen or so part time Hot Shots were left financially strapped, and will need to have a court decision as to whether they deserve anything for the sacrifice of their loved one's life. No report will consciously offer them an "expert" opinion that could cost the public agencies millions of dollars.
It is not about the guys that died. It is about the money that might need to be paid to the survivors for the losses.
What a fucked up world we live in!
my friend wade parker (of 11years) was killed by this raging fire!!! I say something went seriously wrong!!!!!!!!! I have heard from varying reports from prescott area..... those hotshots shouldnt have gone in in the first place!!!!!!! They were told not to go in from what I had heard..... there shouldnt be more than 100 pagereport about how nothing went wrong WHEN 19 GREAT AMAZING PEOPLE WERE KILLED!!!!!!!
This report is as full of bullshit as the delusional RICO complaint Candy Dandy Thomas and the Miscreants filed in 2009.
19 highly trained and experienced firefighters would not have died if there wasn't failure at SOME point. I suspect Chief Willis is hiding something. I want to know what that is.
Obviously something went wrong. They shouldn't have been in that spot. Although blaming anyone seems pointless now.
Management never getting criticized and being free from blame no matter what. That is the norm at ASUPD
Personally I have a problem with an investigative report that is titled "Serious Accident". It should have been titled "Multiple death investigative report".
That said, however, it's clear the report was not intended to show the results of an investigation. Rather, it was intended to say, "They died heroes and we don't know why".
(1) This was a HUGE tragedy, regardless of the number of deaths.
(2) The fire service, at ALL levels, needs to learn from it.
(3) There was obvious NEGLIGENCE involved at many levels, but no one wants to assess or take blame, including those who probably should be.
(4) Nineteen lives were lost and it seems many people are content to not learn from this so others might not make the same mistakes.
(5) Why the hell wasn't a GPS tracking device, such as a SPOT, assigned to at least one member of the crew? This is NOT new technology and it's very affordable. The fire bosses could easily have seen that the crew was headed the wrong way and notified the crew to turn around and go back to the black safety area.
(6) This 'report', if you will, is simply a public kiss off to try to placate those who want answers, and will never get them.
(7) It appears more energy was used by this 'team' to wordsmith the report than to actually conduct a professional and complete investigation. I suppose if anything is learned from this report it will be 'creative writing 101'.
Also, the decision to NOT make the autopsy reports public seems glaring, to me. What, if anything are they trying to hide? If nothing was wrong, why not release the autopsy reports?
Shame on those involved with this 'TEAM', as they call themselves.
Ostrich comes to mind when I think about this 'team'.
Nothing went wrong !?!...how about 19 firefighters dying, I'd say something obviously went wrong.
So Chief Willis, what have we learned today? Not only were retardant tankers working the fire that entire afternoon, which contradicts your previous misleading and self-serving statements, the largest tanker available anywhere in the world was actually on scene when the hotshots were preparing to get in their shelters. Your ridiculous attempt to blame the Feds for your disaster has failed Chief Willis. Apparently that huge DC-10 with 11,000 gallons of retardant couldn't find your Hotshot crew because they were not given enough time. Your crew stayed silent for thirty minutes after they left the black, and then gave the tanker mere minutes to find them and drop their retardant. Care to explain your previous statements regarding the availability of airtankers and the survival of your crew Chief Willis?
"Karels said the point of this report was to be a "learning document" for
future firefighters. Since apparently nothing went wrong, it's
concerning what those future firefighters must be learning."
Very telling. Fear of something by those preparing the report will absolutely keep those who need the information most from being able to learn what they need to learn to keep from making the same mistake(s).
@tondojondo And other times we have to stand up and yell "bullshit." This reminds me of the saying, "If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention."
@bob_lablaw96 Bob, I understand the human emotion element of your posting, but the bottom line is those seasonal fire fighters were just that; and they understood and agreed to that designation, not fully expecting that any of them would likely be killed during the fire fighting process.
If I work at Home Depot as a part or full time seasonal employee, and am standing next to a full time, 'permanent' employee, and a pallet of roof tiles falls from overhead, killing us both, I don't get anything other than my final check and any life insurance I might have purchased. The permanent employee's family gets life insurance, pension, etc as offered.
If those seasonal employees had been killed in a bus while on the way to fight the fire the outcome would be the same. They were using seasonal employment as a means of trying to eventually gain permanent status and someone was negligent and they died. Tragic.
@MaskedMagician1967 just a suggestion, but, quite possibly .................?? incompetence in upper management or in the higher levels of authority???? if you think about it, that answer will probably answer most of your questions about anything these days..................IE: why are my taxes so high? why are we ignoring our own people and dictating government to other countries? why are our politicians getting away with breaking laws and constitutional rights? why is our governor an uneducated drunken babbling idiot? why do we have to payfor a sheriff who cant walk upright without hurting himself? ......................try it, its an awesome answer that really works for most of our problems (if you want to go deeper though..........the hard hitting answer is "because we elect idiots")
@TommyCollins But they do know why. They just won't admit it and assign responsibility.
Cozz, I smell a government conspiracy here. I have to wonder if Candy Thomas, Aubuchon and/or Rachel Alexander either wrote or helped write that report.
I will never expect the twits who authored the report to actually admit fault or liability.
As for the politicians, I'd fire them in a heartbeat if I had the ability to do so.
My taxes are way too high for the salary I get. I swear I pay about $3500/yr in taxes.
@MaskedMagician1967 Well, your taxes didn't even pay for what that report cost, let alone what it cost to fight that one fire. So you have nothing to complain about. You are getting much more than $3,500 in services per year from the government even if you are sitting in the house all day.