How Dumb Is Arizona's Law Preventing Destruction of Guns?

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Now that Arizona's ban on gun-destruction is in effect, let's recap this brilliant idea by the Legislature.

Some people don't want guns -- even in Arizona, this is true. If they have guns, they can get rid of them at these "gun buybacks," and some people like the fact that these guns are destroyed, instead of just being sold to another person -- it makes some people feel better about themselves. For some reason, legislators saw a need to outlaw this.

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-AR-15 Assault Rifle Among Guns Turned in at Buyback Event

The argument people had was that agencies that run buyback programs, like police departments, can turn a profit by selling the guns that would otherwise be destructed. Those people kind of missed the point that it would remove the incentive for people to fund the gun buyback programs, and remove the incentive for a lot of the people who turn in the guns and feel good about themselves.

Here's an example: 3TV went to one of these buybacks, and some guy set up across the street, trying to buy guns people were turning in. Even when the cops' gift-card supply ran dry, people still turned in the guns to the cops for destruction -- for nothing in exchange -- rather than selling them to the guy across the street.

Some people appeared to be dumbfounded by the thought that this would happen, thus leading to a law banning any agencies in the state from accepting guns from people for the purpose of destruction.

Funny, no one's calling for police to re-sell all the marijuana they seize to dispensaries and medical-marijuana patients. Or when they seize prescription drugs, they're not cashing out at Walgreen's at the end of the week.

But, for you personally, how dumb do you think Arizona's gun-destruction ban is?

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mary14nx05y
mary14nx05y

I do not want my tax dollars being spent on making people feel good.  I want roads fixed and schools running.

marcy
marcy

Destroying guns from gun buybacks is nothing more than feel-good theater.

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

I just wonder, if I destroyed my own gun (full disclosure: I don't have one), would I be breaking the law? Seriously.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

What really pisses off the rabid gun cult in Az is that these buyback programs were extremely popular. People wanted their guns destroyed professionally. Thats the real reason the gun nuts are so happy about this law. They worship the gun as if it were the penis of God.

Diane Molloy
Diane Molloy

Oh yes Joe, if the NRA supports it, it must certainly be a flawless plan. Give a bunch of idiots guns and they are more likely to accidentally shoot themselves or others than defend anyone. Many paranoid dipshits with guns are more dangerous to society than a single nutball many guns. You may not be able to stop all gun violence but accidents are often preventable. Just because one has the right to own a gun ( a right I do support BTW) does not mean he should. Our focus should not be getting more guns out there it should me on making sure those who choose to own have access to training so they can use better judgement when handling firearms. In other words, we need more "responsible gun owners" not more guns because people defend people not guns. If the guns being bought back are indeed as worthless as Elliot says then what is the point of hanging on to them? The decision to destroy or resell should be left up to the law enforcement agency that purchased them.

Seth Moore
Seth Moore

Yep! The the less guns the last death sounds obvious doesn't it?

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

Here's a better challenge. Organize a gun turn in. Not a buy back, a simple "come down and turn it in". You can help them feel better. Then do a video of New Times staff smashing the shit out of them. Work with TV stations to get out the word. No payment. Just a turn in. I'd like to see how many you'd get.

Tracy Scott Penman
Tracy Scott Penman

I hate to think of antique guns being destroyed but then again what is the point of spending the money to buy them and then turn around and sell them for less that you bought it for. Not a smart business move and your spending taxpayer money!

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

STEP UP TO THE PLATE NEW TIMES! ORGANIZE YOUR OWN BUYBACK AND DESTROY THEM YOURSELVES. The law doesn't stop you. WALK THE TALK!

Eliott Kroll
Eliott Kroll

The cops don't just buy back guns and buy a new shed every time they run the program. They run the serials to see if there are any that are stolen or relevant to an investigation, and then by law they either destroy them or sell them in bulk to gun stores.

David Anglin
David Anglin

I wonder who the witnesses are of this. Everybody knows they need a "plant".

Matthew Giacomazzo
Matthew Giacomazzo

Regardless of what side your on there are some good points here on the larger issue of what kind of society you want to create with gun laws. I am all for punishing individuals rather than blanket laws but this article has got me thinking... https://medium.com/p/7fc34ed66268

Robin Scott Andress
Robin Scott Andress

Dumb? How can one even begin to describe the moral retardation of the Arizona Republican Party?

Kenny Marklow
Kenny Marklow

U can bet your ass they're not destroying them....$ $ $

logicman
logicman

If the guns are legal and sold legally who cares.  Spending MORE tax dollars to destroy the guns would be a dumb idea.

Claudia Sherrill
Claudia Sherrill

But then again, you're talking about Arizona...land of Sheriff Joe and other craziness...

Brandon Troy
Brandon Troy

why would they? theres way more money in selling them back to the streets- and job security!!

Eliott Kroll
Eliott Kroll

If they want to operate some kind of a turn in program where people can leave one at a police station no questions asked, I think that would be beneficial. I mean hell, you can do that with babies. There's no reason to waste money on buying these things. Basically the police are buying what are relatively antique guns with no collector or operational value.

Troy Farah Faucet
Troy Farah Faucet

You have some really good insight. It seems like the cops shouldn't be buying guns at all. What a waste of time and money.

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

No. You can do what you want with your personal property. Only government agencies are prevented from wasting taxpayer dollars on futile, "feel good" programs.

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

I really don't understand why you don't start your own buyback program.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20  

No logical arguments, so you make up nonsense.  Typical anti-gun mentality.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@Brandon Troy Job security for who? Hospitals? Funerals? 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Brandon Troy  

They're being sold to dealers, who sell them to people who've passed background checks.   In effect, they're transferring from people who may not have undergone a background check to people who have.  Doesn't that seem like a good thing?

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Joe Ploskonka  

The NRA believes that guns should only be handled by minors when properly supervised, in a teaching or competitive environment.   I think that makes you a liar as well as a troll.

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

Taxpayer dollars that come from Phx food sales tax. Fucking low income people so politicians can pretend they're doing something about crime. Sorta like Arpaio.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@jonnyquest  

I think a lot of the problem is that some of these people read the headline and think they know all the facts.  The headline says that it's illegal to destroy guns, and so they believe that they can no longer have buy-back programs in which the guns are destroyed.

It's very typical that people who are outspoken about taking guns away from citizens don't understand the existing laws.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@valleynative @dennis20  I have already disproved your statements on NRA funding as well as everything you've stated. You aren't smart enough to know when you've been beaten and that isn't my problem. Just like your pal YPS-getting the last word is your only defense.  Carry on. We all know you can't resist.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@valleynative  They are sold to people like the one who just killed 12 people in DC on the Naval Base and that is not what the people turning them in want to happen. People who used this program have rights also. They wanted the gun destroyed.

When will the gun nuts learn to respect the rights of the rest of us?


dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@valleynative The NRA believes whatever the gun manufacturers tell them to believe, They are nothing more than a paid lobbying group for the corporate interests of the gun manufacturers. 

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

Agreed. I also think most gun rights opponents realize it is more statement than an effective crime prevention. That would explain the reluctance to spend their own money and effort.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20 @valleynative  

You said each of those things on this page.

Talk about "strawman", why bring up a blind man?  You just show that you don't understand the whole issue.

And beyond that, do you really think the blind can't find any way to destroy things?    Why are you so arrogant as to assume that people can't perform simple tasks?

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@valleynative Nice strawman approach YPS. Funny thing is I never said what you are claiming I did. But why don't you explain how a blind man is suppose to get a hammer and destroy his gun? Priceless. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20 @valleynative  

Actually, the fact that corporate funding for the NRA has finally crept across the 50% line is the only thing you've said that hasn't been complete nonsense.  Tell us again about your right to not be near guns.  Tell us again about how people can't possibly get rid of unwanted guns without help. Tell us again how not having the police run buy-backs means that there can be no buy-back programs.  And, by all means, keep talking about how the fact that many guns used in crimes were purchased legally means that most guns purchased legally will be used in crimes.  That one was hilarious!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20 @valleynative  

You really need to learn to think or I'll just start ignoring you.

Even if we assume that most gun crimes involve guns that were purchased legally, that does NOT mean that most guns purchased legally are involved in gun crimes.

That's very basic logic.

FBI statistics show that less than 1/1000th of 1% of all guns purchased are used in crimes.

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@valleynative @dennis20  And you are wrong again. Show me your data. The fact is that most of the crimes and mass murders we have witnessed were all guns purchased legally. Thaty includes JT Ready, Jared Lughner, The Colorado Theater shootings, SandyHook. the recent one in DC.

You can't keep making shit up.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20  

Of the people who buy guns from gun stores, the percentage who use them in crimes is so very tiny as to be literally statistically insignificant.  There are a LOT more legal, responsible gun owners out there than you realize.  You don't hear about them because they rarely make the news.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20

What's your point?  Make the background check database better.

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

They want the gun destroyed? So get a big fucking hammer and smash it. Absolutely nothing stopping that. In fact, here's a challenge Dennis. Organize your own buyback. Run an ad, set up a table out front of your office, and buyback a whole bunch of guns. Get a cutting torch and go to work. The law doesn't stop private individuals or a business from doing just that.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20 @valleynative  

No, they're sold to people who pass background checks.

People who want their guns destroyed are completely free to destroy their guns. 

dennis20
dennis20 topcommenter

@valleynative @dennis20 Wrong again.  The NRA hasn't received most of it's funding from members since 2005. 

They get most from gun manufacturers. Logic demands that you use sound facts to make your arguement.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@dennis20 @valleynative  

The NRA gets most of their money from members, not the gun manufacturers.  Their tax returns and balance sheets are on-line.

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