Should Jan Brewer Knock It Off With the Annual "Day of Prayer" Anyway?

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A state appeals court affirmed a Maricopa County Superior Court ruling dismissing a lawsuit against Governor Jan Brewer for her annual "Day of Prayer" proclamation.

Mostly, the judges have found that the atheist groups that filed the lawsuit didn't prove that Brewer's calls for prayer caused them any injuries.

See also:
Atheists Not Injured by Jan Brewer's Prayers, State Appeals Court Says

The opinion from Judge Donn Kessler says Brewer's proclamations are not a "direct attack" on anyone's belief system, they don't have to change their behavior to avoid the proclamations, and there was never an allegation that Brewer's proclamations affected how the atheists interacted with state government.

"Indeed, there is no allegation regarding how the Appellants even learned about the proclamations or that the alleged harm to them was anything more than a general feeling of second-class citizenship and outsider status," the opinion states.

Brewer, well aware that people are offended by her prayer proclamations, calls prayer an "American tradition," and publicly sticks up for her prayers.

The question is, should Brewer knock it off with her calls for the public to engage in prayer with her anyway?

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HappiestAtheist
HappiestAtheist

Has Gov. Brewer Established Christianity as AZ’s Religion?

Gov. Brewer invited us ALL to pray “all citizens to pray for God’s blessings on our State and our Nation.” and Brewer invited “all Arizonians . . . to offer a prayer” and called prayer “one of our most unifying and universal traditions.” These quotes came from press releases from the governor declaring a day of prayer for all of Arizona, and basing it on a verse in the New Testament, very divisive for non-Christians and non-believers.

Yes Arizona has all but established Christianity as the state’s preferred religion. According to many studies recently 20% of our population is not religious or non-believers and no, they are not looking for a religion either. Another 20% are religions other than Christianity who may or may not pray. The other 60% are Christians of varying versions, but half of those are not practicing.

Our media is supposed to hold the government accountable when they break the law, but they are silent on this subject. Our government has left non-Christians behind, and the fight against that kind of digression is not over.

HappiestAtheist
HappiestAtheist

Has Gov. Brewer Established Christianity as AZ’s Religion?

Gov. Brewer invited us ALL to pray “all citizens to pray for God’s blessings on our State and our Nation.” and Brewer invited “all Arizonians . . . to offer a prayer” and called prayer “one of our most unifying and universal traditions.” These quotes came from press releases from the governor declaring a day of prayer for all of Arizona, and basing it on a verse in the New Testament, very divisive for non-Christians and non-believers.

Yes Arizona has all but established Christianity as the state’s preferred religion. According to many studies recently 20% of our population is not religious or non-believers and no, they are not looking for a religion either. Another 20% are religions other than Christianity who may or may not pray. The other 60% are Christians of varying versions, but half of those are not practicing.

Our media is supposed to hold the government accountable when they break the law, but they are silent on this subject. Our government has left non-Christians behind, and the fight against that kind of digression is not over.

DNichols
DNichols

What does a Racist SB1070 Tea Party Wicth pray for?!

For Tens of Thousands of more Dead un-documented Immigrants to Die at the Harsh U.S. Mexico Border like the now 42,000 that lay Dead where I.C.E. has Deported/Dumped Hundreds of Thousands of Human Beings into a known "Drug War" with Nothing, not even water to be Killed or to Die of the Harsh Elements?!

For Tens of Thousands more Family units to be ripped apart, and for Five Thousand more legal Citizen Children of un-documented Immigrants to be in U.S. Foster Care?!

For Tens of Thousands more un-documented Immigrants to be Incarcerated for years with out even charges, making Billions of Dollars for her Private Prison Profiteering Freinds?!

I fear that Jan's "Praying" is a waste of her time.

I loved her lisence Plates that said "Live the Golden Rule."

You will Rot in a warm place Jan, no matter how many more Tea Party Nazi's you and your pal Russell Baptize!

C.T.R?!!

Your maker will Judge you as you have Judged Millions of others you Tea Party Hag.

Many are only Pretending to be "Saints", right Jan?!

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

I'll be God-damned if I'm gonna bow my head for some stupid prayer. Do ya hear me, Jan?

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

Look people, prayer is good.  It is an activity which stimulates brain chemicals, like endorphins, that calm a person and provide a good self-image to them.  People who are calm and have good self-image are less likely to engage in violent actions.  We will find, from the Obama mind-mapping program, that this is true and until we find a way to reliabily hit those brain cells accurately to create the feeling of "enlightenment" for all, engaging in religious activity - OF ANY SORT - is better than none.  Leave the praying public alone - engage in meditation, and stop the bickering, THAT is really a buzzkill!

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967

I think the atheists were trying to get the judge to believe that GED Jan's prayers are to be a separation of church and state.

Had they made that argument, I think they would've been successful.

Euler2.718
Euler2.718

@JoeArpaioFan I'm waiting for the lightning bolt, or I mean the giant fish, or I mean the fire in the sky. I believe all of you religious freaks are damaging to our culture and our science. It made sense when we didn't understand the world, but all those mysteries like fire, lightning, magnetism, etc are pretty well understood. Get your shit the fuck out of here. Go to church on sunday or whatever your day is but don't tread that shit on me. When's the last time I went door to door telling you that you're all wrong for what you believe and to follow my path? Read more than ONE book, learn some math and physics and natural selection, and gain the intuition to live in this world, not fear it. You disgust me. 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

Absolutely not. And she won't.  To those of you who thinks she should, I hope God strikes you dead or you have a tragic accident.  

Just who in the fuck do you think you are to say she should stop?  If I don't like what you say should I call for you to be silenced?  I happen to feel offended by "rap music' so should I call for it to be banned or outlawed?  And if I don't like the way somebody paints the outside of their house should I call city hall and demand they are told to repaint?  

The simple truth is, if you don't like Jan's prayer, don't listen to it.  I will call for her to step-up her prayers!  I think MCSO should say a prayer at their shift changes and same goes for Phoenix PD.  If you don't like it.... well too bad!!!!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

Calling prayer an "American tradition" just makes it worse, and helps the appeal.  The implication is that good Americans pray, which means that those who don't pray are not good Americans, regardless of whether they are atheist or if they believe in a god who doesn't need to take suggestions from or crave the approval of humans.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14 topcommenter

The best Christians I know are Atheists.

car_del99
car_del99

I would rather be an athiest and not hate anybody for their beliefs than being a so called " Christian " and think that God is an idiot and doesn't really know what I really think..

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@ExpertShot Nam miyo rengei kyo, nam miyo rengei kyo, nam miyo rengei kyo.... Ommmmmm. Oh wow, far out, man. Like I'm floating!

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@MaskedMagician1967  They actually made the case that it creates a second class of citizens who do not believe in prayer.  The court failed to recognize that creating an approved religious class and a non-religious second class is actual harm as well as a violation of the Establishment clause.

Eleanor_Holguin
Eleanor_Holguin

@JoeArpaioFan Your comments and you personally are EXACTLY what is wrong with organized religion. Once again, SHUT UP, ROBERT!!!

You are a horrible person for the things you say and wish upon people because they are different than you. Figure out what it is you HATE about YOURSELF so much and work on that. Become a better person.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan Who am I to say she should stop?   I'm an American.  I believe in the Constitution, including the guarantee that no group of people should be persecuted for their beliefs, even so much as to make them feel like "second class citizens", as this court seems to realize is happening.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

@valleynative Of course prayer is an "American Tradition". It has taken place since the beginning of time.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@eric.nelson745@ExpertShotExcellent example Eric.  The wierd thing is that no one religious activity enhances everyone's serotonin receptor uptake in the same way.  I think it might have to do with the culture in which one was brought up.  Lutheran church services might hit some better than others.  Pentacostal snake handling for some.  Praying for others. Chanting, Fasting, contemplation of the naval, etc. etc. etc.   It's all different strokes for different folks and that's why I think our prohibition against state sponsored religion is good for our country.  The more "god feeling" produced, the better.  BTW - Atheists ALSO have this structure in the brain and can feel "enlightenment" through engaging in various activities - meditation comes to mind!


danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan screw the platypus.........you are proof that god has a sense of humor Robert

sarum
sarum

@ExpertShot @eric.nelson745 I think chanting or singing in unison does produce a "hum" in the brain so long as the "words" being chanted or sung are not offensive to anyone - don't know proper term for it but I have a strong idea that if this technique were applied to "mentally ill" populations regularly they would many of them become healed - not through any spiritual means - just that communal hum has a property of realignment to it.

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