Marijuana Legalization Campaign Trying to Get Issue on Arizona Ballots in 2014

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Arizona may become the next state where the voters can decide to legalize the personal use of marijuana.

On Wednesday, a group calling itself "Safer Arizona" filed its paperwork for the marijuana-legalizing amendment to the Arizona Constitution with the Secretary of State's office. The group will need 259,213 signatures by July 2014 to get on the ballot.

See also:
-Arizona's Zero-Tolerance Stance on Pot and Driving
-Marijuana Legalization Supported by More Than Half of Arizonans
-Earth to Pot Dealers: Selling "Medical Marijuana" on Craigslist Not the Greatest Idea

According to press accounts, the group doesn't have any deep-pocketed donors -- yet, at least -- but that really doesn't sound like an extremely difficult number of signatures to collect.

Remember that Respect Arizona, the group that tried to recall Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, estimated it gathered more than 200,000 signatures in a little less than four months, and those were just Maricopa County voters.

Even further, the latest poll we've seen on the issue -- released last month by the Behavior Research Center -- shows more than half of Arizonans favor marijuana legalization.

From what we can tell here in the early stages, the group's going with a selling point of "Marijuana is safer than alcohol," and it has a website (honestly, it probably already needs a new one).

Organizers have said this proposal's language is similar to the ones passed by voters in Colorado and Washington, and that claim more or less checks out.

In addition to the simpler points -- marijuana use is legal for people 18 and older, and can be taxed and regulated in a similar manner to alcohol -- this marijuana proposal here would help clear up a few things that are pretty crappy right now under Arizona law.

One, for those who like to have their guns, and smoke weed too, this proposal helps that.

"A person's right to own and bear arms shall not be infringed upon based on a person's use, possession, transportation or production of Marijuana," one of the proposal's points states.

Also, you may remember from our colleague Ray Stern's recent cover story, "Riding High: Arizona's Zero-Tolerance Stance on Pot and Driving," that a joint last week could earn you a marijuana DUI today. This proposal says that's no good.

Driving while impaired by marijuana would still be illegal, but while the proposal says that "impairment can only be deduced but not directly inferred" from the presence of THC in a person's blood, it goes on to say that per se levels -- such as .08, when it comes to drinking and driving, shall not be established.

We'll keep you posted on how legitimate this ballot initiative becomes.

Click over to the next page to read the language of the proposition:


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DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr = a clueless stoner, intellectual simpleton, fool and tool of marijuana politics.

Willing to sell out and surrender EVERYTHING for some pathetic ounce of pot, while maintaining CRIMINAL PROHIBITION against 95% of those who suffer arrests and prosecution every year in Arizona.


Sneekr
Sneekr

It's quite apparent that @DonkeyHotay (the donkey) is really a marijuana prohibitionist who tries to argue from a "pro-legalization" standpoint to further his/her prohibitionist views and goals (in other words, a concern troll). He/she operates under the absurd notion that marijuana legalization makes marijuana more ILLEGAL or that marijuana is more LEGAL under prohibition (I know, it's really confusing). I probably wouldn't care nearly as much if while using those arguments, he was genuine in wanting marijuana to really be legalized. After reading many of his/her comments (many referring to marijuana users as "stupid stoners", among others) I concluded that DH is probably not all that serious in wanting marijuana to be "legal for everyone." He/she is just trying to create a wedge issue and political in-fighting between the pro-legalization crowd.

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay "all those same stoners who get caught Driving Under the Influence of Marijuana ... or who exceed the PATHETICALLY PUNY limits of this proposition." - The "pathetically puny" limits proposed under this "proposition" can't be any more strict than the zero-tolerance stance AZ currently has on the issue of pot and driving.

Juan_Leg
Juan_Leg

" ...the next state to legalize ...

Which states have pot legalized now ? 

I live in Colorado & would love to live where marijuana is LEGAL !

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Anything based upon the abject Clusterfuck that is Colorado's A64 is pure INSANITY.


Comanche_Moon
Comanche_Moon

Time to get off the couch and get this done. Lets make history Arizona.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

The criminalization of marijuana worldwide has resulted in more loss of life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness for more people than slavery, abortion, the Nazis and Stalin combined!  Criminalization of pleasure (read HAPPINESS) creating substances is immoral and such laws should be forever banned.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

If this passes, who will fill the 1000 new PRIVATE prison beds the State is paying for?

bobunf
bobunf

@DonkeyHotay @Sneekr New Times should be something about trolls like Donkey and JAF.  They make the site unpleasant, and any kind of sensible discussion more difficult, while adding nothing but some name calling.

In the meantime, don't feed the trolls.

jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@Sneekr @DonkeyHotay There's NOTHING Scientific about the limits they've imposed upon us.  It's an ARBITRARY number that allows them to CONTINUE their "CASH COW" operations upon us by telling us "... you can use marijuana Medically, Recreational etc...  but we're going to throw you in jail and ruin your life, if you have any INACTIVE metabolites in your system.".  There's NOTHING scientific in their attempt to impose these limits upon us that represent ANY KIND of impairment.  So by just IMPOSING these LOW standards as LAW, they give their methods de facto LEGITIMACY!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Juan_Leg ... stupid stoners can't read past the false headlines, much less comprehend what the measures actually propose.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Comanche_Moon ... the "history" of being stupid enough to repeat the Total Failure of that festering turd known as Colorado's Amendment 64?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@ExpertShot ... 

HipTip: the proposition is a CONTINUATION of CRIMINAL PROHIBITION for 99% of the Marijuana Crimes in Arizona.

Don't be a moron.


arizonaeagletarian
arizonaeagletarian

@ExpertShotThe War on Drugs, especially MJ, has been a pretense for promulgating and promoting slavery in America. Recall the language of the 13th Amendment: Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@shadeaux14 ... all those same stoners who get caught Driving Under the Influence of Marijuana ... or who exceed the PATHETICALLY PUNY limits of this proposition.

This ain't "Legalization" ... it's a Continuation of Criminal Prohibition for 95% of those marijuana users, growers and dealers who currently suffer arrests for marijuana.

logicman
logicman

@shadeaux14 we'll leave that to the prison guard unions to figure out and lobby for

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@bobunf ... so who -- exactly -- is forcing you to read my comments if you don't like them?

Be specific.


MandyMountain
MandyMountain

@DonkeyHotay @Comanche_Moon This isn't 64. This one is better. We solicited input from the community during the drafting. You'll note the per se DUID shit goes out the window if this passes.

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay Please tell why Colorado's Amendment 64 is a complete failure. It might not be perfect, but it's better than pot staying illegal. 

jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@DonkeyHotay @ExpertShot  The one thing we have going for us here in AZ, is the fact that we're WELL AWARE of how SLIMY our Legislators really are. We're on to their shit and have passed laws to PROHIBIT them from amending or STOPPING, ANY bill or initiative if the Voters approve it.  However, I know where you're going with being the "TURD" that A64 really is.  Treating Marijuana like Alcohol is one of the WORST ideas EVER!  There's NO correlation between the two!  They effect the body totally different from one another.  The body absorbs the two differently.  You CAN'T measure IMPAIRMENT using the same methods, etc....  But MOST of all... giving the State as much control as A-64 does is absolutely CRAZY! 

@DonkeyHotay ...  I actually RESEARCHED the things that you've said and claimed on here regarding A-64, and I must tell you that you've given ME a different look upon A-64.  You've at least made me THINK about what to do to attempt to make OUR law a little better than A-64.  I myself think that this effort is DOOMED from the Start!  The man has NO $$$ backing, NO professionals involved in writing the law, NO $$$ HIMSELF to get this effort off the ground, NO organization to help him gather the 300,000 signatures that we'll need to get it on the ballot.  It SEEMS as if this was a VERY HUGE rush to get this done WITH very little THOUGHT on HOW to get this done in the first place.  Dude needs to ask ALL of the 38,000 patients in AZ to somehow HELP out, but then again, he has no WEBSITE to show interest in helping gather signatures.  It probably sounded GREAT right after medicating, but when you look at this deeply!  IT IMHO... is a MISTAKE.  We NEED to get someone WITH EXPERIENCE, to run this campaign if we want it to pass, but although I'll sign a petition to help out, I WON'T vote for the measure if it DOESN'T FIX a lot of the problems in A-64

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay It's kind of hard to take you seriously when you refer to marijuana users as "stoners" in pretty much all of your posts. That's like calling every person who drinks beer an "alcoholic." I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if I found out that you've never tried pot...ever.

jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@logicman @shadeaux14 Yeah....  well they're lobbying to make that person YOU or someone LIKE you!  I've never seen a state that was MORE active to authorize and build beds for a "PRIVATE PRISON", than they are about bringing JOBS to the State.  But 1000 Super Max beds, IMHO is NOT necessary when we're (taxpayers) paying for one of those Private Prisons to sit EMPTY!  Heaven forbid we do a little retrofit!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@logicman @shadeaux14 ... it'll be NORML -- the Lobbyist for the Marijuana McLawyers -- who stand to reap MILLIONS of $$$ from defending clueless stoners who'll get busted under the new REGULATIONS ... including the DUI-marijuana laws that NORML supports and promotes.

arizonaeagletarian
arizonaeagletarian

@logicman @shadeaux14 Actually, we'll leave it to Dennis DeConcini and the private prison (crony) capitalists at CCA and GEO. As far as I'm concerned they can suck eggs.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MandyMountain ... if you kept ANYTHING from the worthless piece of shit A64 you are doomed to self-destructive FAILURE.


jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@Sneekr STILL none can be grown..(per se). So basically the Law has stayed the SAME? Now that Dispensaries are opening, virtually NO ONE will be allowed to grow in AZ anymore and those who DO so, will GO TO JAIL!  That's WRONG!  We CAN'T continue to tell people it's OKAY to use Cannabis, Recreational or even Medically, and then THROW THEM IN JAIL for doing so!  Dude.... 25 MILES is a LONG WAY! That 25 Mile rule SHOULD NEVER have  been inserted in there.  It's got to be the 1st to GO... although that MUST be done through the "Initiative Process".  It CAN be done, but the(MPP) inserted that INTO the Proposition as BAIT to garner those 4500 Votes we inevitably had to have to PASS Prop 203.  That clause was inserted to protect the Dispensary Owners from competition from... not so much  the "Home growers", but by these larger "Boutique Grows".  However,  I think ANYONE should have the RIGHT to put a seed in the ground, water it for 6 months then HARVEST it, CURE it and USE it for medicinal purposes or recreational as well.  This can ALL be done for one HELLUVA lost LESS $$$ than what they're SELLING it to me!  I understand business and the cost of doing business   I'm not so stupid to believe that this "FAUX Legalization" ISN'T a back door way to lead us into allowing Big Pharma the right to MAKE medicines with THC, CBA, CBD, CBN etc... included in them.  Yet KEEP it ILLEGAL for you and I to Produce, Possess or USE this product WITHOUT going through Big Pharma.  These medicines that they're making...  will they ever leave 5 ng of INACTIVE THC in my system by using THEIR medications?  If so ?  What have we gained?  NOTHING! We've LOST!

Will it be accepted by society and therefore NO EMPLOYEES will be fired for having it in their system, nor will anyone DENY you a job for having it in your system! Will they QUIT ruining peoples lives over this plant?  Will they TEST you for it if they pull you over?  There's NO other drug that they currently test for during a normal traffic stop, so I'm having trouble  with allowing them to test me for anything other than a straight breathalyzer test, let alone giving them Carte Blanche' to my DNA!

@Sneekr  Man I'm not degrading or demeaning anyone FOR supporting this or NOT supporting this.  I just don't want to see us EAT A TURD because it's the only one on the Menu!  Does that make sense?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr = will eat any rancid turd ... if it happens to be the only one floating in the punchbowl at the time.

Would have accepted a 100 mile radius and a 1 plant limit ... "because it was better than nothing"

Typical slacker-stoner ... always ready to surrender and accept near total failure.


Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay And what was the radius before AMMA was passed? Oh yeah, that's right..... the radius was the entire state of AZ (since NO pot was allowed to be grown in the state prior to the passage of AMMA). I'm actually glad you posted this because it shows how warped your view on marijuana really is. You're implying that Arizona's medical marijuana patients would be better off without Prop 203 - which would disallow patients from ever growing, as well as even obtaining marijuana and allow for their arrest if marijuana was found in their possession - than with Prop 203; that patients are better off under the stricter laws that have been in place for years in Arizona. That said, nothing could be further from the truth. I'm done arguing with you about how warped and fucked up your logic is. You're friggin' retarded

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr ... only for those over 21 years old, and no more than 3 (three) flowering plants.

Almost as pathetic as Arizona's 20-mile prohibition.


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr = stupid stoner willing to surrender everything to BigGovernment Regulators, the Greedy Big $$$ Dispensary Cartels, the insatiable Dept. of Revenue, and the same Law Enforcement Goons who've been running the drug war against you for the past 40+ years ... for some pathetic ounce.

Epic Fail!

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@DonkeyHotay @jetdoc1 @Sneekr What we need to do is petition President Obama to delist cannabis from Schedule 1.  That would decriminalize it.  I agree that "legalizing" cannabis is definately the wrong way to go.  It's a friggin plant - what other plant in the universe is "legalized"?


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jetdoc1 @Sneekr @DonkeyHotay 

Only abject idiots and fools would beg THE GOVERNMENT to REGULATE, RESTRICT, TAX and CONTROL a "harmless plant that never killed anyone" LIKE deadly alcohol that harms, maims and KILLS 10s of THOUSANDS every year!

Leaving ALL the FELONY Marijuana Statutes in place while begging for a pathetic ounce = Epic Fail


jetdoc1
jetdoc1

@Sneekr @jetdoc1 @DonkeyHotay Dude...  you're taking me ALL wrong!  All I'm saying is that @DonkeyHotay made some statements that made me really THINK about AZ modeling their law after Colorados'.  I've already SEEN some of the problems that they're going to have with this law, and NOBODY has to corral me like a sheep in order to see it.  I'm a VERY FREE THINKER, and although someone MAY influence me to RESEARCH an issue with a certain POV, whenever it SOUNDS too good... to be true, it probably IS.  But I make up my OWN mind about what I believe!  I've disagreed with @DonkeyHotay NUMEROUS times on the FACE of an argument. However when ever I researched some of his arguments, I can CLEARLY see what it is he's saying.


I think the problems we've seen in Colorado after passage of their "Medical Marijuana Law" if not corrected, will run RAMPANT and STILL allow the Government to LEGALIZE marijuana, yet STILL keep "de facto PROHIBITION", by KEEPING the right to throw us in jail for having a TRACE amount of "Inactive Metabolites" in our system, yet tell us in the next breath that we're FREE to use marijuana.  How can they tell you "Medical Marijuana is LEGAL in CO", then turn right around and throw some guy with 5 ng of INACTIVE  metabolites, who hasn't smoked in 3 weeks, in JAIL?  What kind of REPEAL of Prohibition is that?  In all honesty if THAT'S what they really wanna do, I'm OUT!  Until we make REAL moves toward REPEALING Cannabis Prohibition, these SYMBOLIC steps we're making are those upon a "Yellow Brick Road"

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr @jetdoc1

Colorado's A64 = a CONTINUATION of CRIMINAL PROHIBITION for 95% of the extant Marijuana arrests and prosecutions

Arizona's A64 based proposal = more of the same CONTINUED CRIMINAL Prohibition.

Both are FAKE "Legalization" measures promoted by idiots, fools and Greedy Big $$$ Retail Dispensary Cartels who want to control the entire market by DENYING individual users/growers the rights to cultivate their own sustainable supply ... such as Arizona's idiotic 1200 SQUARE MILE Exclusion Zone around every retail dispensary -- maintaining FELONY criminal prosecutions against any individual patient/caregiver who would dare not want to purchase overpriced, overtaxed, warehouse schwag for some greedy retail pigs.


Sneekr
Sneekr

@jetdoc1Do you honestly believe that DH really wants marijuana legalized, but is concerned that AZ's law isn't "good" enough to actually go about doing it? Read some of DH's previous posts. He/she is an advocate of continued prohibition and has absolutely NO interest or desire in pot EVER becoming legal. So then why would an anti-pot crusader like DH argue from a seemingly pro-legalization stance that an AZ law isn't effective enough in legalizing marijuana? The answers simple: to get people who are sympathetic towards the idea of legalization to second-guess themselves and to vote no (or not sign a petition) on each and every marijuana legalization bill that is ever brought forward. Don't let DH manipulate you. If you are really thinking about legalizing marijuana, you shouldn't take advice on how good or effective the law is from somebody like DH whose ultimate goal is to keep marijuana illegal at ALL costs.

As for you, @DonkeyHotay ... stringent pot-prohibitionists like yourself are a dying breed.. and it's obvious you're quite scared and desperate. That's why you're stooping to the level of concern troll. Can't say it isn't entertaining though...

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MandyMountain = clueless pawn who thinks NORML has the best interests of individual users / growers at heart.


MandyMountain
MandyMountain

@jetdoc1 Actually, the NORML groups in AZ and some others are a lot more organized than we were four years ago. The game isn't over yet.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@jetdoc1 ... the people of Arizona would be IDIOTS to not LEARN from the GROSS MISTAKES of that festering turd A64.

Idiots like Sneekr


DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MandyMountain ... LOL! ... what IDIOT wrote in the 1,200+ SQUARE MILE exclusion zone around each and every greedy for-profit retail dispensary, thereby maintaining FELONY criminal penalties against INDIVIDUAL user/growers who would dare cultivate their own supply ??

Epic FAIL!

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MandyMountain = willing to accept pathetic little "chips" ... while the continued Criminal Prohibition of marijuana takes down 1000s of users and growers every year.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@MandyMountain = strategy FAIL.

They rebuild the foundation faster than you slacker-stoners can step away from the bong to chip.


Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay"that's YOUR straw-man, stoner, you smoke it." So you don't think every person who uses mj is a stoner?

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr ... Donkey will always be one Up on you, bottom boy.


Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay You asked if I was jealous. Stop trying to one up me, doucher. 

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay Yes, I'm SOOOOO jealous of you commenting on and liking your own comments. 

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay Btw, where is your little imaginary friend @Juan_Leg at to kiss your ass?

Sneekr
Sneekr

And when did I ever say I smoked it?

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay Show me the irrefutable evidence that ALL mj users refer to themselves as stoners. 

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr "some users" = the entire publications of Westword / Toke of the Town / VillageVoice media and all the Stoners who read it.

Keep flailing, stoner.

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyShowHotay  Perhaps some users do, but that doesn't mean they all are. 

Epic Fail.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr ... says the ignoramus who was clueless to the ironic reality of Stupid Stoners refering to themselves as STONERS.

Epic Fail.

Sneekr
Sneekr

"stay ignorant, it's your best skill." It's kind of funny/ironic when you have the donkey calling other posters "ignorant."

Sneekr
Sneekr

And what do you care about mj users being persecuted? According to you they're all stupid stoners.

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay Yeah... since thousands aren't being persecuted now while mj prohibition is still in existence.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@Sneekr = stupid selfish stoner, wants it "legalized" for himself, doesn't care if 1000s of others are still persecuted as criminals.

HipTip: if it ain't LEGAL for everyone, then it isn't LEGAL.

Sneekr
Sneekr

@DonkeyHotay As opposed to a "Continuation of Criminal Prohibition" for 100% of marijuana users, growers and dealers if real prohibition is continued. Sorry, but we don't need a concern troll like you promoting uncertainty on the pro-legalization side. Please, GO AWAY/back to trolling www.westword.com* (you seem to be a minor troll-celebrity there, kinda like JAF is on this site).

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