Phoenix Mom Who Said She Killed Her Baby Because She "Had Too Many Kids" Belongs to "Church" That's Not Big on Birth Control

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It looks like there's a story behind the thoughts of a Phoenix mother who admitted to killing her 6-day-old girl because she "had too many kids already."

Perhaps it's what that mother, Nina Koistinen, learned at the Laestadian Lutheran "Church" -- some would reach for the word cult -- which people familiar with it say condemns any and all birth control, to the point of promoting the birthing of more and more children.

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A former church member posted a sermon from a pastor at the church, which is in Cave Creek, explaining the birth-control situation.

"Even the enemy may raise doubts in our minds," pastor Eric Jurmu says. "He may even then, during those busy times of life, come with this kind of sermon, that you know, there are ways, there are ways that you cannot have children, that there are ways that you control the number of children you have. There have been these kinds of occasions where the enemy has tempted some with practicing birth control. It is not according to God's word. It is not according to the teachings of God's kingdom."

Comments on our original post on Koistinen provide apparent firsthand accounts of how seriously this is taken, and how female members are expected to keep having children.

"Those of us with Laestadian backgrounds know why a mother with mental illness continues to have children and why a father aware of his wife's mental illness would not use birth control," the former Laestadian writes.

Pastor Jurmu didn't really back down from that when talking to KPHO.

"[God] gave her all the children she could bear," he said. "And if she couldn't handle more kids, God would've closed her womb."

He's talking about a woman who said she killed her ninth child, a 6-day-old girl named Maya, because she "had too many kids already," according to police.

According to police, Koistinen's husband found Maya unresponsive inside their home, near 56th Street and Thunderbird Road, on the morning of April 8.

Maya was pronounced dead that morning at a hospital.

According to court documents, "possible signs of suffocation" were discovered during an autopsy, and police dug up the CPS records on Koistinen.

In addition to her comment about killing her kids in a car crash, she also talked about "wanting to smother some of her children," according to the documents.

"During the interview, Nina admitted she smothered Maya because she thought she had too many kids already and she was jealous of the attention [her husband] was giving baby Maya," a probable-cause statement says. "The father . . . was put in the interview room with Nina and she admitted to him that she pinched Maya's nose, twisted, suffocated, and smothered baby Maya."

Interestingly, this past Sunday's sermon (which was posted online) had a part about jealousy in the household, between family members.

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Rational
Rational

I am surprised nobody has brought up the 1,000,000 plus abortions (murder) every year in the U.S.  Have the commentators had an abortion, or commentators know somebody who has aborted?  Hmmmmmmmm makes you think of the difference a few months make.  Of course you can discount abortions by your own justifications.  Not to give the mother here any slack, she should also pay for her actions if proven guilty.  Just a thought.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

I don't know anything about this cult, but I suspect that they also frown upon killing babies, so it seems like a stretch to assign too much blame to them, unless they also discouraged followers from seeking mental health care.

The underlying problem seems to be that this badly disturbed woman wasn't getting the mental health care she needed.  Certainly her husband knew that she needed help.


lulu80mimi
lulu80mimi

Phoenix Mom Who Said She Killed Her Baby Because She "Had Too Many Kids" Belongs to "Church" That's Not Big on Birth Control  ===== Um, actually your story headline should say:  Phoenix Mom Who Said She Killed Her Baby Because She "Had Too Many Kids" Belongs to "Church" That's Does Not Believe in Birth Control.    "Not big on birth control" is a complete understatement and is not true. 

Mary Doe
Mary Doe

There may be a god somewhere rolling his eyes in frustration, 'I put a drugstore on every corner, how did you fail to notice?'

jj002
jj002

Generally, a cult needs some kind of leader figure. This church does not. That said, this is a sad event and the Jurmu statement is way off the charts. I feel for all the children born into this religion. They are indoctrinated into a belief system that is based on guilt and fear.

Lucia Perry
Lucia Perry

Taylor, that's not nice. This poor woman was forced to crank out 9 babies while suffering from mental illness. I'm telling your mom on you.

Lucia Perry
Lucia Perry

Typical fundamentalist asshole minister

Taylor Persson
Taylor Persson

She shouldnt need any form of modern birth control techniques in the first place....thats why god made her butt ugly so stupid people like her wouldnt procreate...obviously there are some really desperate guys out there. Im so tired of people using the religion excuse...all that comes from religion is prejudice, segregation, hate, violence, closed mindedness, etc. With only a handful of good things...religion was created(not by whatever god u believe in) to arouse fear and control in people...and its done a damn good job...people need to start believing in themselves and not in some deity that commands you to do exactly as it says, or....burn in hell for eternity...the hypocracy involved is unbelievable..look at the vatican...one of the most evil sects in the world...how they funded the nazis was just the beginning..its also bs when people think they can do whatever they want, like kill babies, then think everythings ok because asked god to forgive them without truly feeling sorry for their actions...but if u happen to be gay or dont believe a certain religion then youre a terrible person and will spend eternity in hell..sounds like a caring, just god dont u think?pssssh...

Winger Sandee
Winger Sandee

AND SINCE WHEN ARE PASTORS DOCTORS??PASTORS YOUR NOT MEDICS UR PASTORS WORDS OF GOD AND LOVE SHOULD ONLY COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH... MEDICS ARE DIFFRENT...

Winger Sandee
Winger Sandee

church,god,jesus give me a fuckin break!!they r dead TIEYOUR TUBES OR JUST DONT HAVE SEX ALSO BIRTH CONTROL PEOPLE!!!!

Winger Sandee
Winger Sandee

sick b thats why they ask you if you wanna tie your tubes after 2 or 3 birth control on top of it you have that choice and why do you guys always blame god or jesus and church blame yourself for a change you the adult..god dont tell you shit you do it on your own

lycwyd
lycwyd

Hold the fucking idiot pastor partially accountable.

Valerie Vieira-Gardner
Valerie Vieira-Gardner

This is what is soooooo wrong about certain religions. The church has NO right to deny a woman the right to use birth control! This woman was overwhelmed, now look at what happened. Very sad.

Marilyn Ostrow
Marilyn Ostrow

and now apparently they have washed their hands of any complicity...they've refused to answer questions asked of them by the local TV stations.

drwho_who
drwho_who

@jj002 A cult is not defined in any way with a leader.  But this pastor would be the leader in this case.

lulu80mimi
lulu80mimi

@jj002 I think that's the one thing that is not like most cults with the LLC...they don't have ONE leader figure, however I believe other elements of their "religious" teachings demonstrate this church is in fact a cult......

Truth-be-told
Truth-be-told

@drwho_who @jj002 The leaders ARE THE 2 dead guys that  wrote the master plan that created the religion. 

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