Loose Cannons Motorcycle Club and Rival Gang Shoot It Out in Apache Junction

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Loose Cannons club house

Two motorcycle gangs shot it out in the early morning hours Sunday at a party at the Loose Cannons Motorcycle club house in Apache Junction.

Four people were injured, and one is in critical condition, according to the Pinal County Sheriff's Office. 

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The Loose Cannons motorcycle club held a party at its clubhouse in the 3600 block of East Apache Trail, when members of a rival gang called Devil's Disciples showed up. About 75 people packed the party. The two gangs started fighting, and then pulled out guns. 

One woman was shot in the back, another man in the butt, but they are said to be doing fine. Another man was shot in the head and is in stable conduction. But the fourth victim took one bullet in the stomach and in the shoulder and is in critical condition at a Phoenix area hospital. 

Authorities say witnesses aren't cooperating.   


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Nate Squeeler
Nate Squeeler

Who saw this coming from a group called THE LOOSE CANNONS?

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

I'm betting every one of these yahoos would be prohibited from buying a gun if we had passed background checks for all transactions.  However, in this case - who cares.  I say take all the gun nuts in the US, move them to Montana and lock the door - throw in ammo and "presto" no more gun violence problems.  Let these yackoffs shoot it out amongst themselves.

A_Cunning_Linguist
A_Cunning_Linguist

In the mean time, no one seems to really care, as long as innocent victims didn't happen from this event. I'm surprised anyone, including the uncooperative witnesses, bothered calling for first responders. They should have packed the hog on the hog and dropped her at the ER steps.

marcy
marcy

That a bunch of motor scooter gang members ended up in a shootout and managed to shoot a woman in the back isn't surprising at all.


Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@ExpertShot Like any of them are actually carrying legally purchased weapons to begin with, which means you can do whatever you want to background checks of legally purchased weapons and it would have not NOTHING to stop this.

I am all for stronger background checks, but trying to associate this incident with stronger background checks and use this as an example of anything in that respect is simply stupidity run amok and ludicrous in the extreme.

It also does nothing to help with the grown ups discussion on how to correctly address the culture of Gun Violence in America. Now go back to your play pen until you can be a part of a grow up discussion.

DJenningsPHX
DJenningsPHX

@Flyer9753 @ExpertShot Many of them actually do carry legally purchased weapons as not all of the members of the motorcycle clubs are felons who are prohibited from owning a firearm.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@DJenningsPHX @Flyer9753 @ExpertShot  

Right... because people with legally owned firearms get into shoot outs all the time and then refuse to cooperate with police.... 

They might have been purchased legally by the original owner, but I seriously doubt the purchase/ownership/possession history is as clean as you want to portray.

I was not talking about those members of the group that are acting in a legal manner, I was speaking to those that aren't

bob_lablaw96
bob_lablaw96

@Flyer9753 @ExpertShot I can agree with a lot of what you two are saying, but am not sure that we are getting a lot of support from our "leaders" on this topic.


Gun owners, by and large, are responsible adults who pose no threat nor harm.  It is the gang thugs, felons, and mentally ill that are the root of the problem.  They do not need a gun to cause the destruction that they cause, but it makes things easier.  We need to begin by trying to identify and control them.


It is one thing to identify someone as mentally unfit to own or possess a gun, but it is quite another for a doctor to tell a government agency of this diagnosis.  Who is going to decide whether the doctor was right or wrong? What about if the mental defective (let's call him Jaffy) regains competence.  How does he go about getting is rights restored?

Then, there is the argument that the Senators that voted against the bill should be targeted for recall, or tossed out in the next election cycle.  I am all for throwing all of those imbeciles out of office and beginning anew, but not just for how they voted on this issue.


How many amendments had been added to the original bill dealing with gun ownership?  How many of them dealt with the topic?  From what I have read, if the bill had passed, we would have had added background checks, but also looser rules on CCW.  There needs to be a way for our Congress Critters to introduce a bill without add-ons that do nothing but sneak crap by us under the radar.  Many of those that voted "No" may have done so due to the various amendments, not for any objection to the original bill.

I know that the NRA has a lot of power, but does it have that much more than, say, the Entertainment Industry? Or GM and Chrysler, who both owe a huge debt to this administration?  It is not the process that we believe it to be, most of the time.  It is all done behind closed doors, to repay past debts, or to exact revenge.

There needs to be more moderates in Congress.  The radicals from both sides are making sure that nothing is accomplished.  We are the ones that suffer, as they still get their lobbyist's gifts and future employment.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @Flyer9753 @ExpertShot  

Wait a second.

You are saying the proposed legislation is not enough, yet your complaint about the proposed legislation is that you would have to go to an FFL to have a background check run on your friend to make sure they are allowed to own a gun before selling it to him.

That is the VERY definition of a straw purchase and proves you are an idiot on this subject at least, since you say on the one hand that the proposed legislation does not do enough, but you then complain about it doing too much.

Hypocrite much are you?

you know, don't bother answering, you have already proven you are a hypocrite AND someone who is simply giving lip service to the idea of real legislation so you 'sound' good

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @valleynative @ExpertShot  This isn't rocket science.  It would have impacted me because I'm an honest citizen, and would have obeyed the law even though it would mean having to pay a fee to a dealer if I want to see a gun to a friend.

And you might look up "disingenuous". The word doesn't apply.  Unless you're really so incredibly dense that you believed that I was claiming to be quoting your meaning, and I don't believe many people that stupid read newspapers.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @Flyer9753 @ExpertShot 

Yes it was.

How specifically did the latest legislation impact you, Mr. honest citizen???? Per your own words it was ineffective and meaningless so exactly how did such bad legislation affect you negatively??

Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too, saying it's not good because it doesn't go far enough and yet it affects you in a bad way.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @valleynative @ExpertShot  Flyer, it wasn't disingenuous to quote you out of context when I make it completely obvious that I'm quoting you out of context specifically to make a point.  Think critically much?

"Small steps", that do NOTHING OF VALUE but which impact honest citizens are not a step in the right direction.


Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @ExpertShot @Flyer9753  

Have you ever heard the phrase "You have to crawl before you can walk"?

Any step in the right direction, even small ones is a good thing. This attitude that it's all or nothing is childish and nothing more than you and those like you to keep the system exactly as it is rather than actually fix anything.

Now that you have quoted me, why don't you quote my statement in context instead of trying to portray it out of context with your quote? 

I did not say "Universal background checks do nothing", I said Universal background checks do nothing to stop illegal weapons usage. 

Your attempt to make a point by quoting me out of context is not only disingenuous, it's also stupid. 

You want to have the discussion like an adult, fine, we can do that. If you want to keep trying to put words in others mouths by quoting them out of context then I have no desire to waste my time arguing with a child.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@ExpertShot @Flyer9753   

It doesn't happen a lot.  Too often, but not a lot.

When it does happen, it's news, and so you'll hear about it, but you don't hear about the hundreds of thousands of us in the Valley who store our guns safely, because that's not newsworthy.

 You're right up to the point where you said "Universal background checks do NOTHING", but then you showed that you didn't really understand that point.  The checks that were defeated were far from universal and didn't really qualify as "background checks".

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@ExpertShot @Flyer9753  

You are right.

I am the first one to agree that we need stronger laws regarding the responsible ownership of firearms. Things like mandatory trigger locks and holding the parents ultimately responsible for not only their actions (for example, giving a weapon to a child and not supervising the child AND the weapon) but also the actions of the child.

I am also the first one to agree that the NRA and others are a major part of the problem with their rhetoric and deliberate marketing of firearms to children without also pushing the responsible ownership of firearms.

The NRA used to be a good organization but like so many other things, like the majority of the Republican party, they have been hijacked by the gun nuts, those people who are not responsible gun owners.

While we all would like to live in a world where guns are not needed, that is not the world we live in TODAY. 

I agree that those senators who voted no on the latest legislation should pay for that via the vote, but I also think that the latest round of legislation did not go far enough towards the goal of responsible gun ownership and use versus the needs of the 2nd to exist.

Unfortunately, until we address the problems with our lawmakers, who are listening to a minority and money, this problem is not going to go away no matter what we do.

The problems with firearms in this country are indicative of a much larger problem and we have no hope of solving the second problem until we address and solve the first problem.

This comes down in the end to money and the corruption it brings, especially in the political arena. We need to get money out of politics since right now, it's not the people speaking as was intended, it's the people with the most money speaking.

IMHO www.wolf-pac.com is a good start and something that everyone needs to get behind.

You are right, it is crazy, but it's also just a symptom. We need to address the root of the problem.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@Flyer9753 @ExpertShot It's especially ironc when gun nut's little kids get hold of their gun nut parent's weapons and shoot their friends and/or family.  Happens a lot!  The gun violence being perpetrated in this Country profits only the Military Industrial Complex (aka the NRA) and is killing over 20,000 people a year - it's crazy!  Having univerisal background checks does NOTHING to remove any right to possess a weapon which may exist in the U.S. Constitution.  These Senators who voted no on this are going to pay this next election with their seats.

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