Matt Salmon, Arizona Congressman, Believes Son Didn't Choose to be Gay but Deserves Discrimination Regardless

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Matt Salmon says he can't find it in himself to support gay marriage, even though his son's gay.
Arizona Congressman Matt Salmon told a Sunday news program that he still doesn't support gay marriage despite his son's homosexuality.

News stories about Salmon's admission have been referencing a 2010 New Times article about the younger Salmon's relationship with Kent Flake, cousin to Arizona Senator Jeff Flake.

In an interview on Channel 3 News (KTVK-TV), Salmon even referenced Ohio Republican Senator Rob Portman, who recently changed his stance on the subject of gay marriage because of the lifestyle of his own son.

Although Portman has "evolved" in his belief on the matter, Salmon says he himself has not.

See also: Over the Rainbow: Matt Salmon's Son Wants to Make a Name For Himself in Republican Politics -- Only He's Gay

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Jamie Peachey
Congressman Matt Salmon's son, Matt Salmon, swapping spit with boyfriend Kent Flake, cousin of Arizona Senator Jeff Flake.
Worse, from an individual ethics point of view, Salmon confessed that he doesn't believe his son's homosexuality is a choice.

If that's true, Salmon is essentially admitting that discrimination is fine, as long it's against people who were born with different hard-wiring.

Here's what Salmon said:

I don't support gay marriage . . . My son and I have had a lot of dialogue about it. I will say this: You know, my son is by far one of the most important people in my life. I love him more than I can say.

My view is while I don't believe we should be vitriolic and try to enact harmful policies, by the same token, I'm just not there as far as believing in my heart that we should change 2,000 years of social policy in favor of a redefinition of the family/

It just means that I haven't evolved to that station . . . Rob Portman apparently has. I haven't.

That's Salmon -- unevolved, and sort of heartless to his own kin.


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yellow11
yellow11

I would like for Salmon to expound on his comment "My view is while I don't believe we should be vitriolic and try to enact harmful policies"

Harmful policies ? To whom ? and how are they harmful? and why are they harmful? Who does it hurt? Does equality of benefits harm or threaten a " traditional " Man /Woman marriage? And how exactly do you know this?  We are waiting

 

Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein
Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein

It doesn't amaze me one bit why Republicans can only get reelected in the deep south and Arizona

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

In the pic, that's Matt Salmon Jr. on the right, Kent Flake on the left. Salmon did an "It Gets Better" PSA which was put on Slate. They make a cute couple and I want one of the puppies! 

sarum
sarum

"2,000 years of social policy?"  Wow.  Ignorant.  Once again, the ink on paper and the reality are very different.  Society has ALWAYS made or allowed a place for gay men and women, including and possibly especially, the Christian faith.    The original Hasidim - Hasideans specifically wanted to prevent their children from involvement in the homosexuality part of Greco-Roman culture of the time - (during early years of "Church")  

DNichols
DNichols

As Father of the "Bride" Matt Salmon would be responsible for the wedding costs if his Son was able to legally marry his now Life Partner?

Would this couple be able to Marry in the new Temple?

C.T.R. Brother Salmon.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

You know what happens to things that don't evolve right? They go extinct and disappear....

bye bye Salmon, next election cycle you are gone

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

Now that Easter, or as I call it, Zombie Jesus Day, has passed, see why I think all religions are superstitious nonsense and, especially in Salmon's case, are the opiate of the weak and the ignorant.

DiegoDeLaVega
DiegoDeLaVega

Ha.  This is rich. Salmon's kid and a Flake relative gay.  I love it.

LuluandRosy
LuluandRosy

My personal opinion from what I have heard - Matt is more receptive to gay issues than one might expect but his church and especially his wife who worked ardently on the anti-gay marriage ballot initiatives - just won't let him "evolve". On top of that, Matt's district has a high percentage of LDS voters who would ostracize him if he went to DC and within a few months "evolved" on this issue. That said, Flake's comments were much more sensitive and reflective of reality. I wish Matt would get there too. I saw on a program this weekend that this is less a partisan issue and more an age issue. I agree with that. We are getting there though. ;)

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

What will the GOP do when Lindsey Grahm finally comes out and marries Salom's son in DC?  

valleynative
valleynative

The trouble with allowing two political parties to hijack our democracy is that you have to choose between voting for somebody who wants the federal government to grow ever more powerful and money hungry and somebody who refuses to think for himself, believing instead that all wisdom flows from his church.

We need more choices.

TeaPublican
TeaPublican

Yes, he was elected by the majority of voters in Arizona.  He represents the people that voted him in.  You know, that's how democracy works.   If you don't like him then get enough votes to keep him out of office.  Oh wait a minute, you already tried that didn't you.  Oh well. 

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Let me guess: he's a conservative 'Republican' elected by the idiot voters of this ass-backward state.

Perhaps Salmon should read the 14th Amendment as well as the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

valleynative
valleynative

It's significant that he refers to "2,000 years of social policy".   Marriage, and societal rules about who may marry have been around much longer than 2000 years and have changed in many places and in many ways over the past 2000 years.   What's been around for 2000 years is simply Christian policy, and Christian policy shouldn't determine U.S. law.


valleynative
valleynative

@Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein  Like most who bash an entire political party for the antics of a few newsworthy neanderthals, you're misinformed.

Republicans have strong support throughout the nation except in some of the more populous states, where there are more people who choose to depend on the government.  Republicans have an overwhelming majority of governorships and state legislatures.  It's really only at the federal level where they are weak, because people vote for federal representatives based on the perceived performance of the President, and we haven't had a popular Republican President in a long time.

Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein
Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein

@Flyer9753 I doubt that very much. Judging from the stupidity of the average Arizona voter, I'm willing to bet you will be calling him Governor Salmon after the next election cycle.

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

@Flyer9753 Food for thought, Flyer. If things, behaviors, or beings that don't evolve become extinct, then is it fair to say that homosexulaity; as a behavior, will become extinct? I ask this simply because a homosexual couple cannot procreate, thus they eventually will become extinct, in the pure form of the word. Your thoughts? (JAF, this is way over your head. No response needed from you or your supervisors)


eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@DiegoDeLaVega Yeah and where there's one, there's two... do ya hear me, Matt Salmon and Jeff Flake? You each got more than one gay relative!


WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@LuluandRosy 

He should represent his district, an not be a brow beaten Hubby!


Just imagine if Mitt the Twit had been elected when you mention LDS....

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

@TeaPublican You forgot your stupid signature, "Bwahahahaha". But everything else remains the same. Do you even have any actual free thoughts or are you simply scripted?

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@TeaPublican Thanks for trying, but only Senators are elected in state-wide elections.  Matt Salmon is a Representative in the House of Representatives representing Arizona's 5th Congressional District which is most of Mesa, Tempe and Scottsdale.  That means he was elected by about 183,000 voters in 2012. 

The only thing worse than a bigot is a bigot who has no grasp of basic civics.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@TeaPublican lol so youre proud he doesnt support his son and instead conforms to the typical ignorance on the issue..

thought id share this with you since you fit it perfectly: 

"arguing with the tea party is like playing chess with a pigeon..no matter how good you are, the pigeon just knocks over the pieces, shits all over the board, and struts around like its victorious over something"..

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

@TeaPublican

You really are uninformed aren't you?

Salmon hasn't done anything (yet) that warrants recall or impeachment. But that could change.

valleynative
valleynative

@TeaPublican  Actually, he was elected by a majority of voters in his particular district, primarily because he was the Mormon candidate.

drgonzo
drgonzo

 or 200+/- years of Mormon policy.  They "evolved" on plural marriage, so maybe it should be 100 years of mormon policy

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein  

The only reason you have an overwhelming majority in the state governments is because you CHEAT. It's called gerrymandering. 

Proven by the FACT that you lost according to the actual number of votes and the only thing that allowed you to keep state seats and governorships is that gerrymandering. 

So don't get all high and mighty or break your arm patting yourself on the back there, since if you had actually respected the system of government we have, instead of trying to cheat it, you would not hold half of those seats. 

You are weak at every level, otherwise you would not have to CHEAT to win.

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@valleynative Talk about sweeping generalizations about a policitcal party - "where there are more people who choose to depend on the government."  The suggestion that people only vote Democratic because they like handouts is bullshit.  It couldn't be because of civil rights, could it?  It couldn't be about respect for the earth and the environment, could it?  It's like saying all Republican's are knuckle-dragging neanderthals who still believe that the earth is flat and only 6,000 years old.  Oh, and by the way, farm susbidies constitute one big ass sweeping government handout that goes primarily to red states so don't tell us that only blue-state residents choose to depend on the government.  It's this bullshit demagoguery of the other party that goes in in both parties that makes it impossible for me to belong to either pary.

valleynative
valleynative

@Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein  You need to understand that as a Representative, he has only been elected by residents of his district, which is strongly Mormon.

valleynative
valleynative

@Tommy_Collins  There are hereditary diseases that often kill before the victim is old enough to reproduce.  Genetics is more complex than you realize.

Your parents don't have to display a trait for you to be born with it in your genes.  It doesn't even have to have appeared overtly in your family tree. This is particularly true of complex traits like sexual preference, which are determined by the combined effect of several genes to produce a spectrum of results.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@Tommy_Collins @Flyer9753  

If that were the case, then there would be no homosexuality in animals, yet homosexuality and even bi-sexuality is rampant throughout the animal community, in every niche.

To state that homosexuality as a behavior cannot evolve, which is what you infer, is an assumption and not one that is proven at all by the evidence and observation of the animal kingdom, it is actually dis-proven.

For your argument to be credible (not an insult, a scientific term) it would have to assume (amongst other things) that procreation is a requirement of evolution, which has been proven and shown in nature to not be required.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @Flyer9753  

I made a statement, you consider it wrong, it's up to you to prove that statement wrong. 

I have nothing I need to prove to you, but obviously you do have something to prove, that I am wrong, so prove it.

Put bluntly, I don't have to prove shit to you, it's up to you to prove me wrong, if you can.

If I am as wrong as you say I am, this should be easy for you to do.

valleynative
valleynative

@Flyer9753 the ball is in your court.  If you can't even understand that though, I don't really expect you to come up with any facts.

valleynative
valleynative

@Flyer9753  I don't think you understand what gerrymandering is, if you think that vote tallies can prove you correct.  You made the accusation so the ball's in your court to provide proof.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@valleynative @Flyer9753  

Really? How so? The vote tallies are readily available and show exactly what I state. 

Prove me wrong, if you can.

valleynative
valleynative

@Flyer9753 FYI, I'm not a Republican.  I wouldn't belong to either of the two major parties that have hijacked democracy for their own agendas.

You don't know what you're talking about regarding elections, either.

valleynative
valleynative

@JohnQ.Public John, again, I did NOT make that suggestion.  Consider that if only 5% of those who voted for Obama did so for "free stuff", and would otherwise have voted for Romney, Romney would have won the popular vote.

Foodstamps would have been an indicator 20 years ago but today, those people know that they're going to be taken care of.  What matters today is the unemployed, underemployed, and those who are underwater on their homes.

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@valleynative Not only did you make that suggestion, the statement itself is incorrect.  Just looking at foodstamps as a proxy, the 10 states with the highest percentage of population on foodstamps as of 3/2013 are Mississippi (22.5%), New Mexico (21.2%), Louisiana (21.1%) , Oregon (21%),  Tennesse (20.6%), Georgia (19.9%), Kentucky (19.8%), Alabama (19.1%), West Virginia (18.9%) and Maine  (18.7%). I guess your statement is literally correct in that CA and NY have the most total people on a total basis on foodstamps, but they certainly don't have the most as a percent of population, which is a better indicator of "who choose to depend on the government."   Of those, only NM, OR and ME (3 of the top 10) voted Dem in 2012.  So even the premise of your statement is incorrect.

valleynative
valleynative

@JohnQ.Public No, John, I didn't suggest that at all.  Don't blame me for the fact that you don't understand the difference between a tendency and a universal trait.

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@valleynative Actually, that's exactly what you suggested.  Maybe not what you meant, but what you suggested in the comment I quoted where you tied together "people who choose to depend on the government." and the success of Democratic candidates as if one were dependent on the other.

valleynative
valleynative

@JohnQ.Public  John, take a class in critical analysis.  I never suggested that people "only" vote Democratic because they like handouts, and made no sweeping generalization.

If you don't believe that it's an important factor to many voters, though, you should study the statistics.  It's really pretty clcear.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@azcumsquelcher @Tommy_Collins  

not sure why the images showed up in my comment, I did not add them. The forum software must have pulled them from the articles I linked.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@azcumsquelcher@Flyer9753@Tommy_Collins 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_displaying_homosexual_behavior

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

There are also many other sources. I usually don't like wikipedia but in this case they are accurate and useful  as a reference page, linking to the actual research and research articles. 

So my answer would be the animals listed on those pages, as well as the linked references to the actual research which goes into much greater detail

azcumsquelcher
azcumsquelcher

@Flyer9753 @Tommy_Collins rampant? Not to be that guy, but do you have a source for that? I know homosexuality has occurred in the animal kingdom but not to the degree that it does amongst white, middle-income males

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@Rabbi_Pedro_Goldstein That's precious coming from someone who recently wrote, "I love Mexican food, I hate Mexicans."  Tell us how evolved your are.

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