John McCain Bucks the NRA, Supports Expanding Background Checks for Gun Sales

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The NRA's plea to supporters today.
Republican Senator John McCain announced today his support for an amendment that calls for an expansion of the federal background-check system for gun sales, an amendment that's specifically being targeted for defeat by the National Rifle Association.

According to all the newspapers in Washington, the so-called "Manchin-Toomey amendment" is likely headed for defeat today, but McCain's one of a reported four Senate Republicans who support it.

"Just as I have long defended the Second Amendment to the Constitution, I have also long believed that it is perfectly reasonable to use available tools to conduct limited background checks, as this amendment prescribes, to help ensure that felons and the mentally ill do not obtain guns they should not possess," McCain said in a floor speech. "In my view, such background checks are not overly burdensome or unconstitutional."

You can see the text of the amendment here, which describes adding more federal court and mental-health records to the national instant background check system.

Arizona's other Senator, Republican Jeff Flake, posted his non-support of the amendment on Facebook.

"Here are a few thoughts: Manchin-Toomey would expand background checks far beyond commercial sales to include almost all private transfers -- including between friends and neighbors -- if the posting or display of the ad for a firearm was made public," his post says. "It would likely even extend to message boards, like the one in an office kitchen. This simply goes too far."

Flake says he's co-sponsoring a different amendment, saying that he does support background checks.

McCain seemed to make a pretty sound argument, although he, like every other Senator, seems to avoid getting into the specific details about what the amendment does.

You can read the full text of McCain's speech on the next page:

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don.dodondo
don.dodondo

Anyone who thinks John McCain is a conservative is just not paying attention.  He has made his entire career by expanding government power and "working with the Democrats" on unpopular legislation.

jonnyquest
jonnyquest topcommenter

SB1070=Expanded Background Checks=Assault Weapons Ban. All political pandering nonsolutions.

TeaPublican
TeaPublican

Oh Please!   We win.   They Lose.  The 2nd Amendment is Safe!  A big thank you to all of our Republican legislators and especially Senators Cruz, Lee and Paul.These American Patriots put a stop to any legislation that would undermine our God-given, fundamental RIGHT to keep our guns!   These God-given rights to keep our guns is right in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution and we TeaPublicans and our NRA are not going to let anyone change it!  We stopped the gun grabbers!  And then you have that guy obama crying in the Rose Garden because he didn’t get his way and blames our NRA for standing up for America!  Oh BoooHooo!   Yes it WAS a “pretty shameful day for Washington,” to see the President crying like a baby!  I guarantee you that Mitt Romney wouldn’t have been crying.   I just can’t wait until 2014 and 2016 when we TeaPublicans finally take back our America!  Then finally our Constitution will be safe!  

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

I wish the liberals would stop trying to pretend that the NRA is the source of all opposition to worthless gun laws.  This would have done nothing to stop crime or mass shootings and would only have served to expand federal power.

Simplifying the contents of the bill to "background checks" shows contempt for readers, who are, for the most part, capable of understanding all of the provisions of the bill and the limitations of the "background checks" that were only a part of it.


royalphoenix
royalphoenix

Who did the back ground check on Eric Holder...?...RIP Brian Terry.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@TeaPublican LMAO oh please, you fuckers lost the election and havent stopped bitching since Obama was re elected. fucking cry babies. And your hero, McCarthy jr (aka Cruz the Canadian), is so full of shit it practically oozes out his mouth. And your dumb ass doesnt realize that the NRA is out FOR THEMSELVES AND PROFITS, NOT your 2nd Amendment rights.. enjoy being a minion sucker. 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@TeaPublican lol have to love the irony of your statements.as well as the hypocrisy. The tea bags have been trying for the last few years now to indoctrinate Christianity and forcing their religious and moral views onto everyone. Thereby ignoring Freedom of Religion. But you claim an assault on the 2nd Amendment that wasnt even real. SO, while trying to infringe on everyone elses rights, you worry about an infringement that hasnt nor will occur. I wonder, whats it like to sleep upside down from being so bat shit crazy? 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative well, it is..they said the same shit in 93 before the last ban, and not one of their fear mongering accusations came to fruition..NOT ONE! its just the same propaganda regurgitated, only this time people are stupid enough to believe them. Thanks for supporting people on the terrorist watch list being able to legally buy guns..some American you are

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative they are saying the same bullshit they said in the early 90's..just this time people are listening for some reason. If you'll recall, the "jack booted thugs" never came door to door, just like they claimed then. No ones rights to bear arms was infringed upon..but whats 10 years of precedence compared to the money the NRA is throwing around. lol

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@royalphoenix lol maybe if they toughened the laws, people wouldnt be enticed so easily to do it then...think that guy (the straw buyer) got 15 months? he would have gotten closer to 15 years with that bill..lol hilarious people spent so much time bitching about that, only to not support a bill making the punishment for it harsher. 

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @TeaPublican The NRA  is on the side defending 2A  Rights from deranged and wannabe dictators seeking more control. It is about  protecting Liberty and Freedom from those who would try to take it away. As the 2A enemies foreign and domestic. The left is the domestic enemy. Make no mistake they knew that those who seek power and control and despise any that wont bow down. The 2A is about keeping them in check. A sucker is those who fall for the schemes and lies told by con men and leftists

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @TeaPublican Wahat about the homo agenda forcing their beliefs and morals and pushing their agendas on school kids to accept that it is normal, while restricting and demeaning other religions that dont agree.

TeaPublican
TeaPublican

@david_saint01 @TeaPublican   Haha.  Well, I tell you I sleep pretty darn good.  It's easy when you WIN!  Bet your having a darn rough time sleeping aren't you.  Yup, the nightmares of losing all the time can cause a lack of sleep! 

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @valleynativeThat was then now it is happening in garbage dumps like newyork and commiefornia. Once fire arms are removed how long do you think any other right and all of your entitlements will last? Just look at any socialist country and dictatorship for what your socialist utopia is all about. Wont matter to the people who were smart enough to try and stop it because along with the people who actually created wealth and followed the law will be gone leaving the willfully ignorant, the entitlement crew and of course the criminals. Then you can all work for the greater good and live in utopia and all your needs will be taken care of by the collective. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 Infringing on our rights a little wasn't so bad, so we're silly to complain about a little more infringement?  Is that really what you're suggesting?

During the debate this year, for the first time, a Senator actually said that, if she thought she could muster the votes, she would have proposed a bill requiring the police to go door to door collecting "assault rifles".  Don't forget that.  I won't.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01  More severe penalties sound like a deterrent to law-abiding citizens, but they don't really make much difference to criminals.
Criminals tend to be stupid and either think they won't be caught or else that life in prison won't be so bad.

Seanoamericano
Seanoamericano

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin @TeaPublican You are confused now because it is the left that is pushing gay pride crap on everybody and has sought to remove other religion from everyday life except their version.  Funny thing about you liberals who claim to be so open minded and accepting but infact are the most narrow minded and by far the least qualified and willfully ignorant about everything. 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 @TeaPublican cruz is the second coming of Joe McCarthy, and a complete menace to Congress.. hes a waste of good air. 

ps if the left is the ones taking rights away moron, why is the AZ Leg passing a bill allowing discrimination based on religious beliefs? is the concept of freedom of religion foreign to you, or do you just not like it? 

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @TeaPublican   Cruz is you enemy because he is for the people and not in line with socialist agendas. Probably also mad because he proved just how ignorant and what a looser feinstein and the rest of the anti American left is on national TV

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@TeaPublican @david_saint01  

Actually he sent Bachman so that he could get the batshit crazy bitch out of the public view in this country, hoping people will forget about her and all the other batshit crazies in the republican party

TeaPublican
TeaPublican

@david_saint01 @TeaPublican    Oh really?   Speaker John Boehner just sent Rep. Bachmann to  Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's funeral to represent the "real" America!   One down, more to go?  Are you sure your not talking about your wonderful "gun control" bills?  Bahahahaha!  yup, your right, one down, more to go! 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@TeaPublican @david_saint01 lol bet Bachmann isnt sleeping well tonight though...2 Ethic violations and 1 criminal investigation...bye bye crazy bitch..one down, more to go! 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@TeaPublican @david_saint01 lol i sleep just fine. and you may have won the battle yesterday, but the war is far from over. You pathetic turds are down to 9%..i just hope your party keeps trying to take away civil liberties like freedom of religion, making ignorant comments about gays and rape, and in the end you crazy people will be your own undoing. Its just a matter of when. PS you sure do have some great people leading your party! From the reincarnation of McCarthy (cruz), to the bat shit crazy females like Bachmann and Palin..lol yeah, id be so proud. hahahaha "got tin foil?" 

Seanoamericano
Seanoamericano

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin Since when do gays have rights? Are the special and need special rights only for them. What about the rights of those who dis agree with that lifestyle?, You think some people should give up their rights while others must be respected. You are the hippocrite . What Rights The right of privacy The Right to be secure in my possessions. The Right to engage in commerce. The right to defend the Constitution from the domestic enemies like you. The Right to not be Infringed on as to type manfacture and if has scarry looking parts on it. The rest of the rights that wont mean squat if the teeth are removed, That includes your right to spout your sick and twisted idea of what you think. By the way what do think they do to alt lifestyles under sharia law....

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 What do you mean by "enhanced" ?  That was the whole issue with Flake.  Do you mean applying the same checks to private sales?  In that case, if nothing else, we lose the right to privacy.  It's not the federal government's business whether or not I sell a gun to my neighbor.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 why do you bitch about this, but dont give a shit about gay peoples rights? you are nothing more than a hypocrite! your arguments mean shit since you dont care about freedom of religion (you know, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED!). you support fascism, while crying out socialism..ya, cause those evil Canadians (which your hero Cruz is by the way) are way more dastardly than the Nazis were...

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin If I were a criminal then I wouldnt give a rats ass what laws you passed because they wouldnt apply to me. Why do you want to pass laws that are worthless and only affect people that obey the law? Why do you want the govt involved into more and more things.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 LMAO ok, ill bite..what rights would YOU lose if an enhanced background check was in place to ensure those on the terror watch list cant buy a gun, and forcing private sales to go through a dealer? are you a criminal? are you on the terror watch list? 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 LMAO you dont want to go there...cause what the tea party is turning into is resembling the nazis in their early days more and more. also, ever talk to someone that actually had to live under communist or fascist rule? I have..you know what they say about it? "those idiots dont have the first clue, and obviously dont value their freedom". 

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

He won the election live with it like the left is always saying about the fraud o whats his name.

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin But that never resulted in the extermination of people like in Amenia China Russia Germany Guatemala Rawanda and Cambodia  where people fell for the registration confiscation extermination scheme.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin ps you are right, i think the tea party is turning terrorist. take bobby the fan boy for example, taking down peoples names who vote for a recall against arpaio like a freakin nazi. Wheres the outrage for that!?!!? pretty sure thats tantamount to a registry, wouldnt you say?? show me outrage there, and we have a valid discussion going..dont, and it just exposes how full of shit you are. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin @valleynative   Unless they've been convicted, they can pass the background check.  If they've been convicted, they can't legally buy firearms.  What you're thinking is that this somehow makes it easier for them to buy them illegally, and that's not really true.  The sort of people who would sell to a terrorist aren't going to worry about the fact that an unenforceable  law says they have to run a background check

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

The only terrorists that threaten America are elected and those who believe that giving up rights to feel safe is reasonable .HAHAHHAHHAH

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 @valleynative LMAO as i told valley, this same shit was peddled in 93, and unfortunately for the NRA 10 years of precedent prove their propaganda to be exactly what it is..BULLSHIT! thanks for supporting terrorists being able to legally buy guns you gullible dipshit. some patriot you are

Seanoamericano
Seanoamericano

@valleynative @david_saint01 As is with all liberals they eventually run out of other peoples money. Its also true as long as they infringe on other peoples rights it is OK. Just like the media who has covered omitted and lied for the slime attacking the 2A are the ones crying foul since their rights were infringed

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

@david_saint01 @valleynative  

but but but.. the sky might fall, we have to deal with that now... :)

Sorry, couldn't resist the sarcasm at Valley's expense.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative @david_saint01 when that time comes, we'll cross that bridge..and ill join you. but not until then. I deal with the now, not wild accusations of "IF". 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 @valleynative   I don't listen to the NRA.  I look at statistics and reports, such as the one produced by the Justice Department saying that the Clinton ban had no impact on crime and that, statistically, such a ban cannot have a measurable impact on crime because that sort of weapon is used so extremely rarely in crime.

Facts.  Evidence.  What have you got?

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative @david_saint01 lol id say the children are the ones listening to propaganda, instead of using their brains. I know you are smart Valley, weve had some good debates in the past. I just see the NRAs propaganda for what it is having already had to deal with it once in my lifetime already. I dont know how old you are, but i watched as people made through the last ban just fine. but thats not what we are talking about is it..the topic is background checks..weve seen a plethora of examples of them not working. To say wanting to ensure only law abiding citizens are allowed to buy guns, while claiming it takes away rights of law abiding citizens, doesnt just defy logic it defies reality. If you recall, even the revered G HW Bush thought the NRA went over board last time, and gave up his membership as did others. Ensuring people arent selling guns to their criminal friends, by having them go through a dealer, seems reasonable to me. Thinking otherwise absent any facts or evidence to the contrary, seems childish and slow to me. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 @valleynative  saying "oh the humanity" because it didn't impact you does not make it any less of an infringement.  It just makes you seem a bit childish and slow.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative @david_saint01 when was anyones rights infringed upon valley? so you couldnt own a freaking AR 15..oh the humanity!!?!?! somehow, many people got by just fine during those 10 years. including my gun nut friends. 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 @royalphoenix no, the GOP covered his ass since he was the only one that would help them with their sham hearing. ever wonder why issa only allows people to testify that follow his narrative??? again, you are a minion...learn to think for yourself! ps i dont watch the news, so talk shit about MSN or CNN all you like..i read facts, verify sources, find at least 3 independent ones that arent partisan, and go from there..thats how its done

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin Just like a typical libturd and prog when facts and reason are presented that prove the talking points are nothing but smoke and mirrors. Run away . The left is nothing but socialism and the worst form any type of tyranny.  No matter what lies and mis information  is presented it  appeals to those who refuse to accept responsibility for themselves and is based entirely on deceipt and lies that result in control being handed over to deranged control freaks who only seek more power.  

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin if you have any further comments eee, my avatar can answer them for me.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 @royalphoenix good question..problem is, the GOP is protecting the ATF agent who actually let those particular guns walk because Issa called him his "whistle blower"..but dont let the facts get in the way of the bullshit. 

Seanoamericano
Seanoamericano

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin Whats the matter dont get your panties all in a wad because your talking points are crap. The left is the root of all problems we face today as a nation.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 LMAO wow, you truly are mentally challenged..but, you sound like a tea bagger, so that would fit..i have nothing left to discuss with you..you bitch and whine about something that isnt happening, while supporting something that is. thats why i dislike you minions so much..you are incapable of thinking for yourselves and coming back down from bullshit mountain. 

ps just an FYI, True the Vote had more than one person out intimidating voters..in two elections now, yet not one word about them? Strategic Alliance, read up on them...that is all. waste your time and respond if you have nothing better to do..

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01 @eeecuzin You are so mentally challenged and live in the land of make believe so far removed from reality. Freedom of what religion and the rights of what voters? The ones who are dead and are not citizens Remember it was o whats his name that pardoned the black panthers for voter intimidation and got 104% of registered voters in Ohio.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@eeecuzin @david_saint01 LMAO the only ones taking away rights, are the Republicans and tea party...with their trying to take away freedom of religion, and voting rights..

eeecuzin
eeecuzin

@david_saint01  That is exactly what the left is all about spreading fear and paranoia and what might happen if rights arent surrendered for your protection

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01  Yes, twice now. "why bother trying" is saying that, as is whatever you posted in a different article.

Saying that your idea won't work does not create any obligation on the part of your opposition to come up with something that will. 

sarum
sarum

@david_saint01 Anybody here that has an idea or alternate POV gets character assassinated vs. legit discussion so where are you going to increase your odds of hearing something new or having discussion that results in something new?  Cuz it sure ain't here.   Much of what has been tried in past has inadvertently created unintentional victims which is why hearing many POV is important.  I think the "we are broke" meme stifles much discussion these days too.  And as far as "caged animals" goes - yes there is a brutality issue but one must consider prison/jail employees also live in a prison most of their waking hours and some inmates delight in taunting-insulting staff often with purpose as diversion.   The low pay also creates hazard for inmates because staff gets angry when inmates get education or healthcare for free that staff cannot provide for their own family and this anger is legit - you aren't going to shame anybody out of it - you aren't going to legislate anybody out of it.  

sarum
sarum

@valleynative @david_saint01 Straw buyers are not necessarily intentionally criminal.  Some are dumb kids who need $ to eat & they get a little cash for going in & signing for gun.  Gee.  If they were paid a living wage with all these jobs that don't even exist would they even be so desperately vulnerable?    

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative @david_saint01 LMAO i never said that, dont try and alter what i said..i said, if you are against this, what ideas do you have? Being that i havent heard ONE from anyone that was against this..rather just a bunch of howling at the moon with paranoia 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 I guess you weren't being dishonest so much as blind to ideas other than your own.  This is the second time you've said that somebody who doesn't like your idea must want to do nothing at all.  Even if you haven't heard other ideas, your own pet solutions are never the only possibilities.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative @david_saint01 i am being honest. lol i havent heard ONE pro person even mention those possibilities...including you. 

speaking of the latter part of your comment, increasing programs in jails would help with that, but here in Maricopa we applaud treating them like caged animals and dont bother trying. 

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@david_saint01 Be a little more honest, please.  I'm not saying "don't bother", I'm just saying "don't bother increasing the penalty".  If you want to stop crime, you're better off addressing the root causes or making detection of the crime easier.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@valleynative @david_saint01 so, why bother trying cause it wont solve everything..thats your response? good life philosophy right there..lol come on, we are so much better than that. again, bring some ideas to the table! im always willing to listen..but no one is doing that right now, instead trying to create this storm of fear and paranoia 

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