Carl Seel, House Republican, Hates Agenda 21, but Doesn't Know What He's Talking About

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Representative Carl Seel, confused and getting testy.
Republican State Representative Carl Seel just detests the United Nations' Agenda 21 -- he and his pal, Senator Judy Burges, have been trying to prevent part of that agenda, the Rio Declaration, from being used in Arizona.

On the House floor yesterday, however, Seel was unable to produce the reasoning as to why he was trying to amend a bill to ban any government agents in Arizona from implementing any aspect of the Rio Declaration.

See also:
-Judy Burges, Republican State Senator, Claims Agenda 21 Will Turn Arizona Into Commie-Land

This is why House Minority Leader Chad Campbell, a Democrat, did what he's supposed to do when the members of his party are outnumbered (which is always) -- be a complete pest.

So, after Seel proposed the amendment, referring to it as a "technical correction" to one of his bills, Campbell asked Seel to explain.

Seel's brief explanation (as seen in the video below) was that it "protects the civil liberties" of people -- a nice non-answer.

"Can you elaborate on some of those encroachments of the federal government?" Campbell asked.

Seel replied that it's "articulated in the language of the bill" -- another non-answer.

Campbell tried again, and asked for examples of the Rio Declaration infringing on the rights of "anyone in this country."

Seel conceded that it "may not have yet," but said he's trying to prevent the Rio Declaration from infringing on someone's rights -- another non-answer.

Seel said Campbell could "go online, do a little research," and find out how it's infringing on people's rights.

"I'd be happy to have an ongoing dicussion with you outside of the floor," Seel said, still failing to come up with an answer.

Campbell cited part of principle one from the Rio Declaration -- "Human beings are at the centre of concern for sustainable development" -- and asked if Seel had a problem with that one.

"I'm not prepared to answer that question at this moment in time," Seel responded.

Campbell shot back, "Why were you prepared to introduce this amendment today, if you're not prepared to debate the amendment today?"

Seel then stated that he wouldn't answer any more questions from Campbell. He also refused to answer the questions of a couple more Democrats on the floor.

So, having caught Seel with his pants down, Campbell and Democratic Representative Ruben Gallego then "questioned" each other, and Gallego asked if the "Black Helicopter Caucus" came up with this amendment.

Seel interjected to cry about it, saying that Gallego was referencing black helicopters "in a disparaging manner."

The chairman of the floor committee told Gallego -- "in all seriousness" -- to cut down on the references to black helicopters.

Gallego responded, before being cut off, "Mr. Chair, just for clarification, is it the color of the helicopter, or is it...?"

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As you may recall, on the Senate side, Burges said Agenda 21 is "sinister and dark." It says "people should be rounded up" and removed from land they own, it calls for a "redistribution of wealth," "will destroy Arizona business," and "control every aspect of our lives," Burges said in the committee hearing.

"I don't know what you call that, but I certainly call it communism," she said, before falsely stating that Brazil is a communist country.

People from state and local government organizations have testified that their legal analysts found this bill conflicting with a lot of laws, since the language is really broad -- so it's not just harmless teabaggery, trying to pass a symbolic law based on a symbolic treaty.

You can see the entire video of Seel's pathetic House floor episode here (it's "04/04/2013 - House Floor Session Part 3 - Committee of the Whole #2 & Third Reading").


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getmeouttahere
getmeouttahere

Every time I see Carl Seel -- who, unfortunately, represents my district (and no I did not vote for his sorry ass)--I cannot help but think of a certain cousin of mine who is classified as "borderline intellectually functioning," can barely keep a job as a grocery bagger and has to live in a supervised group home because he can't be trusted to live on his own (when his parents left him alone in their house for a few days, he damn near burned it down.) My cousin looks very much like Seel. Perhaps Carl Seel is similarly afflicted? It certainly might explain the kooky positions he takes and bills he puts forth, and his inability to debate them as shown above. Apparently, poor Carl is just an easily swayed little puppet being used by the Tin-Foil-Hat-Tea-Party crowd to push their indefensible agenda. Just sad. One more reason why I need to move out of this district, if not this worthless shithole of a state...

Mary Doe
Mary Doe

Right. But try irony on an average Az voter, we'll see how far it will get you. Also, common sense.

j.peterson31
j.peterson31

JUST MORE KOOKYNESS FROM aZ LEGISLATURE. WHITE TRASH AT ITS BEST.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

Makes you wonder how they find their way home at night.

cugagcmu80
cugagcmu80

Agenda 21 is voluntary.  What part of voluntary do these taxpayer money wasting tools not understand?  In my state, GA, some GOP lawmakers wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars "investigating"Agenda 21 last October and came up with nothing, but I don't doubt that one/some of them will introduce a bill like this one so that he/she/they can shout "I'm protecting freedom!" without explaining what he/she/they mean(s.) That they are allowed to get away with calling themselves fiscal conservatives is ludicrous.

oscaroscaroscar
oscaroscaroscar

A trained seal is more intelligent than Carl Seel.  Where do we get these fundamentalist talibornagain whack jobs?  Oh yeah...Arizona.


Throw these blithering idiots and kooks OUT.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

People complain about corporate influence on elections, but the two biggest abusers have been hiding in plain sight for decades because people have the misperception that they're an actual part of the government.

The Republican Party gets to choose one candidate, and the Democrat Party gets to pick another, and nobody else ever really has much chance at all.

In a situation like that, most voters don't bother to think about what their candidate has actually done or says he will do.  All that matters is which team he represents.


Cozz
Cozz

...and people wonder why Arizona is so fucked up...perfect example of why.

Dumbass Arizona voters.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Seel, another disgraced, corrupt, narcissistic and mentally sick pro-Pearce human cockroach. Can't wait to recall his sorry ass.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

Seel is the poster child of what's wrong with the GOP in AZ.  If he got caught with a male hooker, that would just be icing on the cake.

marcy
marcy

Carl "Potato Head" Seel is some dumb he makes Jan Brewer look like a genius by comparison.

He's also a financial deadbeat.

Yep, bad with money and stupid.  A great combination to have as your elected representative. 

TaxpayingVoter
TaxpayingVoter

I wish the voters would pay attention to this sort of discussion in our legislature.

They never will but damn, do I ever wish they would.

njiuma
njiuma

@getmeouttahere- "kooky" is as equally a nondescript word as anything Seel said on the Floor of the House. The Tea Party, as any political action group, isn't perfect, but to minimize their goal: "The Tea Party is a grassroots movement that calls awareness to any issue which challenges the security, sovereignty, or domestic tranquility of our beloved nation, the United States of America. From our founding, the Tea Party represents the voice of the true owners of the United States: WE THE PEOPLE." as an "indefensible agenda" reflects ignorance as to their honorable intent. Surely any American would agree that defense of the Constitutional citizen government established by our Founders is indeed a most "defensible agenda".

njiuma
njiuma

@JohnQ.Public - respectfully, that website is poorly created, and a poor attempt to defame Seel - he was obviously reelected. If you delve into most personal creidt histories, many would reveal skeletons in their closets. Doesn't mean they can't govern effectively. After all, Thomas Jefferson, 3rd President and author of the Declaration of Independence, owned slaves and died with debt.

njiuma
njiuma

@cugagcmu80-

The intent of our US Founders was to enable the States to self govern, and for the federal government to remain small, with state and national autonomy - non-intervention, opposed to isolationism. "Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act. In this relation, then, the new Constitution will, if established, be a FEDERAL, and not a NATIONAL constitution." James Madison (Federalist No. 39, 1788)

To maintain national and state sovereignty, participation in legislation that promotes a move towards globalization, central government, increased federal power, more taxation, and more regulation, is at best unconstitutional and at worst a move towards socio-communist fascism. If you read UN Agenda 21 and the Rio Declaration, it doesn't take Alex Jones or Mark Dice to clarify the underlying potential for such seemingly harmless suggestions from the UN to be adopted and become serious infractions to personal Liberty and freedom, veiled by a proposal of increased sustainability and ecological concerns.

It's not just Republicans who feel this way, many Libertarians and Green Party feel this way as well.

The spirit of Agenda 21 and the Rio Declaration move away from Constitutional Individual Liberty for all, I applaud Representative Seel for being brave against rudeness and cynicism.

njiuma
njiuma

@cugagcmu80-

It can be reasonably argued that the intent of our US Founders was to enable the States to self govern, and for the federal government to remain small, with state and national autonomy - non-intervention, opposed to isolationism.

To maintain national and state sovereignty, participation in legislation that promostes a move towards globalization, central government, increased federal power, more tazation, and more regulation, is at best unconstitutional and at worst a move towards socio-communist fascism.

It's not just Republicans who feel this way, many Libertarians and Green Party feel this way as well.

The spirit of Agenda 21 and the Rio Declaration move away from Constitutional Individual Liberty for all, I applaud Representative Seel for being brave against rudeness and cynicism.

njiuma
njiuma

@valleynative- "...people have the misperception that they're an actual part of the government." - The Preamble to the US Constitution: "WE the PEOPLE... do ordain and establish this Constitution..." We are an actual part of the government.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

@valleynative Bullpucky!  Being able to associate with each other is a matter of constitutional freedom.  I associate with others in the Democratic party because they represent my values - read the platform statement - more closely than any other party.  In addition, I want candidates that reflect those values to represent me.  Forming a political party is one way to do that.  Look at the success the Green party and Libertarian party have accomplished.   

The only party in this state that has abused its power is the Republican Party - it is the majority party to such an extent that the Democrats have not actually had an influence on the laws of this state for quite some time - it is ALL Republican party policies that are ruining this State and NO, if the Dems were in the same powerful position they would not be doing this stupid assed crap.  There is something wrong with the brains of people who have this conspiratorial conservative thought pattern going on in their heads - they're overly afraid and the politicians pander to that fear in order to gin up support.  



njiuma
njiuma

@marcy - his personal problems don't necessarily negate his ability to govern. Our Founders weren't perfect either.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@TaxpayingVoter Talk Radio in AZ is FAR too one sided.  They would make Seel The Queen of AZ if they could!

junkmail4jones
junkmail4jones

@njiuma @getmeouttahereThe Tea Baggers are not defending the constitution; they are defending their idea of how they want the constitution to suit them.  If they were defending the constitution, they would respect decision of Roe V Wade and the subsequent amendment that it rendered.  So, do not say that you respect the constitution because you DO NOT.  You Tea Baggers, have been manipulated to protest that it needs protecting.  If you respected anything that the 'forefathers' you claim to worship did, it cannot be the constitution because that document claims that all men are created EQUAL and you Tea Baggers certainly do not think that is true.On that note kindly, shove your 'defensible agenda' where there is no sunshine.  There is little of which you crybabies whine about, that is being challenged for security, sovereignty or domestic tranquility so just give it a rest already, your constant whining like a bunch of crybabies is getting old. 

bobunf
bobunf

@njiuma @JohnQ.Public Ahh, but unlike Jefferson, Seel was the recipient of a $102,000 principal reduction on his mortgage in exchange for... http://mandelman.ml-implode.com/2011/04/az-rep-seel-drops-amendment-requiring-pre-foreclosure-chain-of-title-2-days-after-servicer-grants-principal-reductio.  And, lo the poor representative, his house wasn't foreclosed -- this time.

District 20,  (east of 67th Ave, west of Cave Creek, north of Dunlap (Thurderbird on the east side of I-17), south of Bell (Union Hills east of 35th Ave)), has a 10 point Republican registration advantage.  Seel won by 2 points.  Apparently many Republicans in District 20, rather than vote for a Democrat, any Democrat, will support a kooky crook.

But, we can hope that decency, sanity and common sense will change that outcome in 2014.  As should you.



valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@ExpertShot  Open your mind.  Both parties abuse the system.  They take our tax money for their primary elections and get to decide whether or not other parties get to play the same game.

There should be at least 6 different parties in each election.  Not everybody who disagrees with the Democrat platform also agrees with the Republican platform.

valleynative
valleynative topcommenter

@ExpertShot  No party other than one of the two which have usurped power can come close to getting a candidate in the White House or to having a ruling position in the State legislature.

Whatever you imagine you're doing to make sure your party reflects your opinions is not as effective as you may think.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

@TaxpayingVoter @WhoKnows I nominate Sheriff "studboi" BooBoo for the Queen of Az Law Enforcement.

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