"Spillover" Violence From Mexico Not Really Happening, According to Border Cops

Categories: Border Disorder
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According to most of the people running law-enforcement agencies along the U.S./Mexico border, so-called "spillover" violence from Mexico isn't really happening.

Some grandstanding politicians would swear otherwise, but a Government Accountability Office report says officials from 31 of 37 state and local law-enforcement agencies on the border "stated that they have not observed violent crime from Mexico regularly spilling into their counties."

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Really, there's no way to tell for sure -- there's no tracking system for crimes that are attributed to spillover crime, so asking the cops seems to be the best indicator.

"No common federal government definition of such crime exists, and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Department of Justice (DOJ) components, including those with a definition, either do not collect data to track spillover crime, or do not maintain such data that can be readily retrieved and analyzed," the report notes.

That seems apparent, as the people we assume to be the law-enforcement heads who claimed spillover violence have varying interpretations of what they're attributing to spillover from Mexico (page 24):

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Even Governor Jan Brewer appears to have her own definition of spillover violence.

"As the saying goes, there are lies, damned lies and statistics," she told the New York Times last summer. "Fifty thousand people in Mexico have been murdered. Puerto Peñasco, 60 miles south of our border, just had five people and a police officer killed. That is like part of Arizona, and it is spilling over into our state."

Um, right.

In addition to talking to the cops, the GAO also checked some stats that might indicate spillover violence -- assaults on border agents, violent crimes, and property crimes.

Those crimes decreased, decreased, and decreased, respectively, from 2004 to 2011.

In fact, of the four states sharing the border, Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas, only Arizona's border counties have more violent crimes than the non-border counties.

"However, the crime rate decreased in both, with the rate in border counties being 33 percent lower in 2011 than 2004, and the rate in nonborder counties being 22 percent lower," the report says.

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It looks like you're actually safer living where all the "spillover" violence is supposed to be happening.

"In addition, the FBI reported that its Latin American Southwest Border Threat Section--created to focus on issues specifically related to drug cartels--began in fiscal year 2010 to classify incidents of violent crime with links to Mexico, including kidnappings of American citizens and non-terrorism-related hostage taking occurring in or having a substantial nexus to Mexico or Central and South America," another part of the report reads on page 19. "...None of these cases occurred in the United States."

Still, not everyone's convinced. For example, the GAO cites, "The 2011 Arizona Counter Terrorism Information Center threat assessment stated that the southwest border violence, such as kidnappings and home invasions carried out by Mexican criminal organizations, and gang-related violence, present the most substantial threat to public safety in Arizona.

According to the report, this is from the school of thought that spillover violence "can have effects on the border communities that are not captured in the crime statistics."

You can read the entire report here.

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41 comments
bgray59
bgray59

Can you really trust data from the Feds.  Simply looking at the adjusted unemployment number which are adjusted upward two to three weeks after they are announced should give you pause before you consider other information presented by the Feds.  


The CBO for example has publicly stated that their analysis of Obama Care was flawed because they were not given accurate data.


Ask the drivers who come under automatic weapons fire Mexico when they deliver trailers to Calxico.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

YALL NEED JESUS. NUFF SAID.  NEXT TIME YOU SEE SOMEONE GET KIDNAPPED ON THE STREET, DRUG CARTELS RUNNIN ROUND, ID THEFTS, BURGLARY, ROBBERIES, THEFTS AND THE LIKE - DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN YA.  THE PROBLEM NEEDS TO BE NIPPED IN THE BUD RIGHT NOW.  NEED TO KEEP ARIZONA SAFE FOR THE FUTURE GENERATION.  I KNOW LOTS OF YOU ARE YOUNG AND IDEAL GOT IDEAS FOR A UTOPIA BUT LET ME TELL YA, IT AINT HAPPENIN.  BE GLAD YOU LIVE IN THIS BLESSED STATE AND THAT WE DO HAVE A GOOD SHERIFF IN JOE.  THANK YOU.

jose257
jose257 topcommenter

Probably the best measure would be to count the number of times the University of Texas at El Paso goes into lockdown when a stray bullet whizzes into the campus from the Mexican side of the border.

It happens so often that it doesn't get reported.


sarum
sarum

All self-reports are suspect.  

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

YALL JUST KEEP PUTTIN YA HEAD IN THE SAND THEN.  DONT COMPLAIN WHEN ONE OF EM TRASH YA YARD OR COMMITS A CRIME AGAINST YA FAMILY.  KEEP ON ACTIN LIKE A PROBLEM DONT EXIST.  

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

Border crime is down. Now tell that to the birthers, truthers and assorted nutbags who were hecking McCain at that town meet last week.

RobAZ
RobAZ

"...Puerto Peñasco, 60 miles south of our border, just had five people and a police officer killed. That is like part of Arizona, and it is spilling over into our state."

Clearly, geography isn't required for an X-ray tech certificate (or Governor for that matter). 

But, our intrepid Guv won't be competing in any geography bee's in the near future so I guess it doesn't matter that Rocky Point is part of Mexico and isn't anything like a part of Arizona.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 lmao i think you need to learn what Jesus was about first before you go spouting off at others about it...and i dont think hed be too happy with how many people follow Joe the "false prophet" or what they stand for...

Comrade
Comrade

AZREDNECK1958, And You need to stop smelling JOKE's ass, probably that's why You are having all those hallucinations and paranoia, moreso if You do meth: "THE SKY IS FALLING". BTW, your screenname says it all: U R another diaper wearer that thinks that JOKE THE "CORRUPTOR" is a "GOOD SHURF" when he's worse than any CARTEL MEMBER, He even does magic, making desappear $100, 000 000 into thin ,- not really, probably that money went into paying up the ones that took the fall for him when the MUNELL MEMO came up- or keeping a second set of books, etc...HE BELONGS IN PRISON.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958  yep, a state where you are free to live surrounded by child molesters and rapists that Joe didnt feel needed to be investigated. i fought for my country to keep it safe from the kind of people our sheriff doesnt waste the time or effort to lock up. when he was in the service he took an oath to protect us from threats foreign and domestic, that would include rapists, yet there are over 400 people who would say he failed epically

Comrade
Comrade

jose257, "It happens so often that it doesn't get reported"........HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!...  and Your name has to be JOSE....HAHAHAHAHA...Hey JOKE........HAHAHAHAHA......Why don't You go ahead and count them..........HAHAHAHAHA.....and then post it, WHAT A "JOKE".

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@jose257 Then how do YOU know about it?  Some kid in his mom's basement tell you about it?

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

@sarum Right. If the evidence doesn't fit your beliefs, dismiss the evidence. Then offer unsubstantiated vague comments about border violence as "proof," using as your excuse for not providing specifics that to do so would cause harm to your family. Once again, you have nothing. Keep pounding the square peg into the round hole and we'll all keep laughing. 

Comrade
Comrade

Damn it REDNECK, CALM DOWN BIATCH!!! Go back inside Your bomb shelter, THE "ILLEGALS" ARE COMMING.....THE "ILLEGALS ARE COMMING!!!!. There's more danger with WACKOS like You that can snap at any given moment and become the next mass shooter. BTW, learn how to spell, HILLBILLY1958

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 You mean like those 400 families impacted by sexual abuse that Arpaio flat out ingored?

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 lol well i live in a hispanic populated area...not one has bothered me at all in 5 + years...

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 Huh? If you were an illegal, would you do something to get yourself scooped up by the Border Patrol or the locals until you've gotten to your destination? It's completely foolish to commit crimes in the border region and they know it.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@RobAZ Brewer doesn't understand 8th grade math, so why would she understand 8th grade geography?

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@Comrade IN MY TIME IF YOU DISRESPECTED YOUR ELDERS YOU GOT A SWIFT BOOT TO THE BACKSIDE.  NOW DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA.  GOD BLESS.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@WhoKnows @AZREDNECK1958 

YALL KEEP ON SAYING THE SEX ABUSE CASES - WHICH ONES?!!  JUST MAKIN UP STUFF.  THE TRUTH IS THAT THE GOOD SHERIFF JOE HAS DONE A HECK OF A JOB.  YEAH HE CAN BE ON THE BOOB TUBE TO MUCH BUT WHAT CAN YA SAY HE'S OLD SCHOOL AND LOOKIN' OUT FOR OLD SCHOOL RIGHTS.  WE NEED SOMEONE LIKE THAT.  THANK YOU JOE,

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@eric.nelson745 @AZREDNECK1958 

I DONT CARE WHATS FOOLISH AND WHATS NOT.  CRIMES ARE CRIME.  IF THEY MESS SOMETHING UP I WANT THEM LOCKED UP IF THEY CAN FIND EM.  NO I DONT WANT THE KIDS TAKEN AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS BUT WHAT ABOUT US FOLKS???  WE GOT RIGHTS AND WERE LEGAL!!!

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@danzigsdaddy You're pissing in the wind trying to explain anything to @AZREDNECK1958 .  If he believes that the the Sheriff reports to the Mayor (or that we even have a mayor of the county), then he is so backassward that he'll need 2 semesters of high school civics just to be able to participate in any reasonable conversation on the topic.  I appreciate your tenancity but time to give it up and move on. 

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @danzigsdaddy it was reported in the media, you CHOSE to ignore it. Now that you know about it, what say you? (ps MCSO wrote up their own report about it, so there is no "conspiracy" here)

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958  one of the most noteworthy fights about the misspending by Joe that was during a spending freeze was the purchase of a 1/2 million dollar bus that sat for a long long time. he was told not to be spending money and he did it anyway. you can look that one up pretty easy and its a good example of how the mayor and board of supervisors cant control him.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 the mayor has nothing to do with running MCSO, and every news agency did run the stuff about the sex crimes, go find the archives for channels 3,5,10,12,15, CNN and many numerous other news agencies. if it is a conspiracy, why is Joe admitting to them? nobody is saying the money went into his pocket, but the money was mismanaged and they do not know where it went. they do know it never went to where it was earmarked and designated for. Joe wants to stop illegal immigrants partly because they come over here according to him to commit crimes like robbery, drugs, murder and rape. well he isnt doing anything about the rapes that have occurred and would rather focus his energies and resources on crimes that may or may not happen instead of crimes that have happened. if thats the way we are to look at things, why are we arresting people who have commited crimes instead of people who will commit crimes. he is not giving justice to the victims that are already there and asking for his help. you can double check multiple news sources that have shown the mayor and the board of supervisors have no say in what Joe does and only deal with the aftermath. they tried putting him on spending freezes before and he still went around them

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@JohnQ.Public @AZREDNECK1958 THE FINAL RESPONSIBILITY IS THE MAYOR.  HE OVERLOOKS AND SIGNS OFF EVERYTHING, NOT JOE.  YALL ARE ACTIN LIKE JOE CAN DO ANYTHING HE WANTS.  NOPE, THERES CHECKS AND BALANCES.  TRUST ME, I KNOW POLITICS AND WHAT I SEE NOW IS A WITCH HUNT TO GET JOE OUT.  THEY AINT CALLIN FOR THE MAYOR, THEY AINT CALLIN FOR ANYONE ELSE BUT JOE.  THEY WANT JOES HEAD ON A PLATTER AND ITS OVERKILL IF YOU ASK ME. JUST MY OPINION.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@danzigsdaddy WELL LIKE I SAID I NEVER KNEW BOUT THOSE SEX CASES.  LOOKS LIKE A CONSPIRACY THOUGH BECAUSE WHY WASNT IT REPORTED IN THE MEDIA?  I NEVER KNEW OF IT.  AND YEAH IT DOESNT LOOK GOOD UNDER HIS WATCH BUT YOU CANT BLAME HIM FOR EVERY LITTLE THING.  YALL ARE ACTIN LIKE THE MONEY WENT STRAIGHT TO HIS PERSONAL BANK ACCOUNT AND IT DIDNT.  ITS A WITCH HUNT IF YOU ASK ME.  I DONT SEE ANY OTHER NEWS SOURCE OUT THERE EVEN SAYING THESE THINGS MOST LIKELY BECAUSE THEY DONT CARRY ANY WEIGHT IN A CIVIL COURT.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JohnQ.Public   it doesnt matter who he delegated the authority to, he is the head of that agency, he should be checking on them, not waiting for them to eventually get around to him. and what kind of leader doesnt have his underlings making daily reports (and putting it in a hard copy format for records)?   ANSWER- a guy with something to hide or a guy who doesnt know how to manage a department


JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@AZREDNECK1958 This is classic, "THIS IS THE DEPTS. FAULT AND THE WHOLE DEPT. ISN'T JOE'S RESPONSIBILITY."  So you mean that you only voted him to be sheriff of half of the department.  Pray tell, which half?  If Joe is the sheriff and the whole dept. isn't his responsibility, who's responsibility is it?  We don't have two sheriffs. Explain to us, if you would be so kind RedNeck, who's responsible for the part of the sheriff's office that "ISN'T JOE'S RESPONSIBILITY"?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 research the same string of stories and you will find that when that department was being overburdened, Joe took half of the departments detectives and sent them to the Honduras to train Hondurans instead of assigning more detectives to those cases. you will also find that he was given $600,000 to hire more detectives and improve and meet certain guidelines in those crimes. the money disappeared and there was no increase in manpower. a boss, supervisor, sheriff or whatever is ultimately responsible for the running of their agency and should be held accountable for it. if Joe is not responsible for the actions or running of his agency......why is he running it. he even says he doesnt run or know what the day to day operations are. he still assigned those duties to be people and is responsible for whoever he delegates those jobs too


Comrade
Comrade

AZREDNECK1058. "WELL I NEVER SAW THAT...." See, that's what I am talking about, get informed first, before opening Your pie hole and make excuses for the Mother Fucker. Is His Fng fault, his responsibility 'cause he supppose to overlook the whole department and is all His doing, Your Shurf is a WIMP.

AZREDNECK1958
AZREDNECK1958

@danzigsdaddy @AZREDNECK1958 WELL I NEVER SAW THESE AND ITS BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE ENOUGH SHERIFFS ON STAFF TO DO ALL THE CASES.  BESIDES IF IT WAS ALL SHERIFF JOES FAULT HE WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED BY NOW.  THIS IS THE DEPTS. FAULT AND THE WHOLE DEPT. ISN'T JOE'S RESPONSIBILITY. YEAH HE OVERLOOKS IT BUT ITS NOT ALL HIS DOING.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@jose257 @david_saint01 @AZREDNECK1958 lol an arpaio supporter, saying i need prozaz..HA i think you all need ample doses of lithium and xanax. Unfortunately, there is no medication to fix your stupidity and ignorance, cant help you there cupcake

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@AZREDNECK1958 @eric.nelson745 That was not my point. I was saying that illegals are not going to commit crimes in the border area. What incentive would they have to do that? They are just getting the hell away from there to Phoenix and points north. Now. I'd like for you to tell me how illegal immigration has a direct impact on you. Don't tell me they're taking jobs away from American citizens. What American do you know who is willing to stoop down picking strawberries for 8 hours + ?

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