Lock and Load, Lunch Lady: Bill for Gun Access in Schools Applies to Any Employee

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Shortly after the Newtown, Connecticut massacre of schoolchildren, Attorney General Tom Horne proposed his idea of allowing a school's "principal or another designee" access to a gun on school grounds, in case of an emergency.

Now that the bill's been submitted at the Legislature by Republican Representative David Stevens, we can see exactly who would have access to a gun around children: just about anyone.

See also:
-Tom Horne Wants Gun Access for One Trained Official at Each School

Specifically, the bill calls for "a school district or charter school employee who has been approved and designated by the school district governing board..."

So, it could be someone other than the principal or other administrative staff. The school psychologist could be the one with access to the school firearm. Or, it could be the janitor -- or the lunch lady.

There's really no restriction on which employees would be pegged as the only person in the school with access to a firearm, just in case a gunman came in shooting.

Of course, we should mention that House Bill 2656 calls for a background check, warrants check, and check of criminal history -- but not for the person with access to the gun. That only applies to the people who will be instructing the potential gun-holder for the program, which would be run for the Attorney General's office.

Above all, the program would be optional, according to the bill's language. However, it still doesn't sound like the greatest of ideas, as our colleague Ray Stern already poked some holes in the plan when Horne announced it.

The text of the bill can be found here.


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eeecuzin
eeecuzin

Better yet hire a veteran as a grounds keeper. They blend in better plus you would be employing a vet.

DNichols
DNichols

Hey Horne, I bet we could get Clint Eastwood to train the Lunch Ladys how to break up a food fight with 44 Magnum's?

Probably stopping the Extreme, and Massive Violence in Video Games, and in Hollywood movies would help Society as well?

To: Common Sense.

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

Why isn't this fucking CRIMINAL ELMER HORNE in prison? Arizona is the most corrupt state. Thanks to the POS CORRUPT SHURF the corruption is spreading, since the mother fucker gets away with everything, the others assholes do their part of corruption as well.

And then the fuckers have the nerve to say that there's a lot of corruption on Mexico, -at least those fuckers over there don't deny it-but these PUTOS over here; they pound their chests, wear the flag as a shirt and call themselves PATRIOTS......when in fact They wipe their fat asses with the CONSTITUTION, just like that DEPEND WEARER ARPAYASO, that FUCK FACE PEARCE, that CHICKEN BUTT FACE MONTY........ and on and on, fucking hypocrites. ELMER HORNE needs to be prosecuted for the fucking HIT AND RUN period.

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

I think its a mistake to limit it to a "gun."  The legislation should mandate that it be an AR-15 (or a variant thereof) with a 100 round drum along with a tactical vest, helmet and shield.  Nothing less will suffice.

valleynative
valleynative

I haven't read the bill, and considering our legislature, I'm sure it's flawed, but I don't understand why it's of any concern that the person delegated to use the gun might not be an administrator.   I happen to personally know a "lunch lady" who is well trained in marksmanship and in shoot-don't-shoot judgment.  I'm surprised by the sexism.



eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

@JohnQ.Public The "designee" had better be all suited up and patrolling the perimeter at all times. Otherwise, the bad guy or guys will continue to have a tactical advantage.

valleynative
valleynative

@JohnQ.PublicYou're being ridiculously facetious, but I'll bet you don't realize that an AR-15 with a drum magazine is just about the worst possible choice of weapon for close quarters, as the theater shooter learned.   It's a long-distance weapon, unless you have access to the military/law enforcement models with very short barrels, and then its only advantage over a pistol is its accuracy.  And there's a reason the military and police don't routinely carry drum magazines.

tcon45
tcon45

@valleynative ...and frankly, I'm appalled that there's no consideration given to arming specially selected students to protect their schools. After all, aren't they the ones with the most skin in the game here???

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@valleynative Yeah, I was kidding.  I'd have thought that the tactical shield comment would have tipped that off.  But if I had to go up against the Newtown shooter I'd probably want an M4A1 carbine with a visible laser sight over a handgun, but I doubt that this is what the legislature is intending.  Quite frankly, I'd prefer the shooting be left to POST-certified police officers altogether.

valleynative
valleynative

@tcon45 @valleynative Unfortunately, there are people who really think like that.  In reality, of course, the person with the "most skin in the game" isn't often the best qualified to take action.

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@valleynative Because you're going to get your ass kicked by someone firing a semi-automatic rifle if you show up with a handgun.  I think that the LA cops learned that lesson in North Hollywood bank robbery in 1997 when they had to ask local gun stores if they could borrow higher caliber weapons than the handguns they were carrying.

valleynative
valleynative

@JohnQ.Public @valleynative Are you joking again?  Why would you prefer to try to use a rifle in the close quarters inside a building?   Use a laser sight on your handgun if you don't know how to aim.  

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