Joe Arpaio's School-Patrol Posse Gets a Glowing Review From the NRA

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Sheriff Joe Arpaio
While the National Rifle Association has proposed putting an armed guard inside every American school, the lobbying organization's "news" arm ran a gushing endorsement of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's school-patrol posse, which puts an armed guard in zero schools.

The public-relations piece for Arpaio aired on the TV show "NRA News Cam & Co" -- which can be found on the Sportsman Channel -- and it portrays the Sheriff as a guy who's doing something about gun-violence at schools.

See also:
-New Times Rolls With Joe Arpaio's School-Patrol Posse; Nobody Dies
-Joe Arpaio Releases List of Posse-Patrolled Schools, Talks Publicity Stunts
-Joe Arpaio's Posse: The COPS Episode (Kind of)
-Joe Arpaio's School-Patrolling Posse Not POST Certified; I.E., They Ain't Cops
-Joe Arpaio's Posse People Starting Armed School Patrols; Which Schools Yet Unknown


After Arpaio's talking about how gun control is bad, and a photo pops up of Newtown, Connecticut shooter Adam Lanza, the NRA "news" show gives its explanation of how Arpaio's posse-patrols work.

Of course, there are a few casual omissions:

  • There's no mention of the fact that these posse members never go inside the schools, or on school grounds.
  • There's no mention of the fact that the 50-something schools that have a posse member taking laps outside aren't all of the schools in the county. Nearly all of the schools that are covered are smaller schools.
  • Arpaio claims yet again that the "only difference" between deputies and posse members is that the posse members don't get paid. They're just not deputies in any sense.
  • Don't forget KPHO's reporting on the posse members caught up in criminal activity. The NRA's "investigative reporter" missed that.

Seeing as how many suckers have been reeled in by Arpaio's publicity stunts over the years, we're guessing people are going to love the NRA's "news" report too.

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bgray59
bgray59

I seldom post on this site.  The reason is that most of the readers are more interested in attacking an opposing comment instead of having a reasoned discussion on the subject.  They do not address the bases of the subject, they inject arguments which do not have anything to do with the subject, They deliberately misquote a poster. and when they run out of arguments they attack personally.

They demand an opposing view point to provide citations and a post graduate level presentation.  At the same time they do not require the same of themselves.


The purpose of my original postings  were to support the Sheriff's decision to provide a visible deterrence around schools.  It was a good first step.  I also wanted to introduce the readers to an authority who has presented a comprehensive assessment of the whole School Security problem.  LTC Grossman is a PHD whose specialty is aggression.   In his presentation to the California Peace Officers Association he gave a comprehensive assessment of the School Security problem.  http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/


Not a single poster who engaged me commented on the article.  In stead they attacked me personally, they refused to acknowledge my position that the POSSE WAS NOT THE SOLUTION.  It was a first step.


None of them offered a solution.  They only attacked each and every proposal hoping it would die a death of a thousand cuts.


Should the author of this article   or any of  those interested in engaging is a genuine discussion on the subject of school security I welcome (look forward) that interchange.  


As a former intelligence annalist who developed security programs for small installations,  I head an informal group of former Intelligence annalist, physical security specialist and special operations  personnel who have experience in developing effective low cost systems designed to thwart the type of attack which recently occurred.  Our services are at no cost to small schools.


Once again I look forward to a reasoned discussion.



WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

Do folks like Timmy not get that the Clown Sheriff can't carry a gun on duty?  Nor can he make arrests?

Joke is no more than an elected "official" when it comes down to it.  Not AZPOST, for sure, as that would require a mental exam!


TimmyCox
TimmyCox

and you should love his possee too but if you don't and something happens to your children at school you would have nobody to blame but yourself.

trankmonk
trankmonk

Sounds like a rock solid plan to me dude. Wow.


www.UGetAnon.tk

BillStewart2012
BillStewart2012

The fewer of Sheriff Joe's armed buddies in the schools, the better, right? 

bgray59
bgray59

It continues to amaze me that people are opposed to armed security in schools.  These same people implementing basic security measures and drills which can protect our children.  The Middle School shooting in Atlanta is a good example of what a trained armed security guard can do in the case of a shooting.


For those of you who are unfamiliar with the incident.  A student smuggled a pistol past the metal detectors and shot a fellow classmate.  The armed Resource Officer disarmed the shooter.  Roughly half of the posters were more concerned that the Officer was armed and expressed no concern that security was violated and a student shot.


We spend millions of dollars in fire safety.  Not a single fatality has occurred due to a fire in over 50 years.  If we were to implement a similar program for security we could stop all mass shootings.  


Joe's efforts are a start we need to do more.  What we need is to develop a security Marshal program modeled after the Fire Marshal program.  Every school should have an evaluation of their security needs by a trained threat assessor. (not a retired cop who is a friend of an elected official).  A Plan should be developed, practiced and tested.  A punch of list of deficiencies should be developed with date certain to correct.  If the school fails to correct the deficiencies. those schools should be closed until they are corrected.  The fire Marshall has the authority to close a school if it does not meet code.


Sandy Hook could have been prevented if priority had been given to correct a few simple low cost issues. 1.  They failed to harden the doors.  A plastic laminate similar to the window tinting used on our cars would have delayed entry after he shot the glass. 2.  Locks on the doors to the class rooms were broken or non existent. Those classes with functional locks were not entered.  The killing ground was in classrooms without locks.  3.  Teachers were not trained on how to resist an armed intruder.  A simple ABC Dry chemical Extinguisher could have been used to disable the shooter.  Unfortunately, no one ever instructed the teachers that this item is an excellent defensive tool nor were they trained on how to use them.


Rather than presenting the Sheriff's efforts as a joke we should applaud his efforts as a good first step and pressure our elected officials to put serious effort into making our school security systems in stead of denying that school security is necessary.



david_saint01
david_saint01

@bgray59 what if i told you i had an idea to protect schools that doesnt involve a gun or weapon? I know the NRA wouldnt like it because it doesnt help the gun companies profits..but its a damn site better idea than what anyone has proposed so far. 

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@bgray59 Oh, and a solution needs REAL cops, not trained monkeys that the NRA is trying to line up for school security.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@bgray59 Post at a site where there are people as uninformed as you are, and you might find happiness.  You CLEARLY know Jack about Arpaio and his prune posse!

bgray59
bgray59

@truthseekeraz My department had a volunteer deputy program.  One of our officers was clearing a building.  His backup was a 75 year old retired Police Officer.  This prune patrolman  shot and killed the bad guy just before he shot the professional paid deputy.  

bgray59
bgray59

@WhoKnows you need to read the AZ Constitution and the laws of the State of AZ.  The elected Sheriff of each county can carry a gun on duty and can make arrest.


While you are at it you might want to check out the duties and authority of the elected Constables.  You will find that within their Township they are the senior law enforcement official.  They are one of two persons who may serve the sheriff and or arrest the sheriff.

robert_graham
robert_graham

@TimmyCox Very true because if something were to happen again and there was no police or possee presence, these same people opposing the possee would be screaming fowl because for nobody being there.  But they would have nobody to blame but themselves. 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@TimmyCox more than likely if something happens to the kids at school it will be the result of the posse' actions. 

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@TimmyCox Have you NEVER seen the posse in action?

Here is the actual Sun City MCSO posse!

thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-13-1999/colbert---really-old-cops

TimmyCox
TimmyCox

@BillStewart2012 you'd sure have a different opinion if anything ever happened to your children at school. 

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@BillStewart2012 They can not even go into schools.   They are NOT trained LE or AZ Post. All they can do is call a real cop.

donotrecall
donotrecall

 "A student smuggled a pistol past the metal detector and shot a fellow student", WTF. Doesn't the officer suppost to be by the metal detector in case that it goes off?. So the student smuggles the weapon, goes and find the fellow He wants to shoot, achieves that  and then after all that happens , the Officer comes into the picture. Had it been a  mass shooter, guess what?.

THAT PROVES THAT OFFICERS ARE NOT A KEY SOLUTION AND PROVES THAT GUNS IT'S THE PROBLEM. GO AND DRINK YOUR TEA.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59  Joe is the one who turned it into a joke. when Sandy Hook first happened, Joe said he wanted to put actual cops in the area around the schools but not in them and coordinate with the schools and parents. once Joe found out it was getting him attention because it was a good idea, he immediately went into his media whore mode and said he didnt need anybodys approval or permission. he did not discuss his plans with either the schools or the parents. Joe also decided to use the posse, people who do not have the same training or experience as the actual officers do. Joe also has had problems with the criminal backgrounds of some of those posse members (a channel 5 news program uncovered people with violent crimes, people with sexual crimes and even people with crimes against children). yes i cant stand the guy because he does NOT represent or uphold true and equal law and order, but so help me god, if he would have just shut the fuck up and stuck to the first plan he had proposed.....i would have had all kinds of praise for him, but he didnt, he went for turning it into a media circus. Joe isnt doing it for the kids or their safety at this point, but is doing it for attention. i really wanted to be able to give the guy credit, and he almost gave me the chance to do it too, until his ego kicked in. 

bgray59
bgray59

@david_saint01 @bgray59 Tell me I'll listen.  How do you know the NRA won't like it.  Your major problem in proposing/implementing any solution are people like most of the individual denigrating my post.  They have no solutions they can only attack someone who presents an idea.

Armed guards are not the total solution.  Dispatching volunteer personnel in marked police vehicles as a deterrent is a first step.   Denial and money (Will never happen here) are the problems.  

One of these fools actually claimed that I believed that JFK's brain is being used to run a Nuclear Power Plant.  Everyone knows that JFK wasn't that smart. (sarcasm intended).  Apparently he was more interested in forcing me to withdraw from the discussion than actually engaging in an honest discussion.  A check of the comments will confirm his intention.

I often wonder if some of the posters on the Phoenix New Times are actually staff members who are attempting to thwart an opposing view.

bgray59
bgray59

@WhoKnows @bgray59  Have you actually read the NRA position or are you simply regurgitating Bill Maher's analysis? 

bgray59
bgray59

@WhoKnows @bgray59 Let's see the California Peace Officers Association, hardly a pro gun advocacy group, is uninformed about the issue of school security.  Read the link and then make a comment which is germane.

david_saint01
david_saint01

@bgray59 @WhoKnows lol theres a reason he cant carry a gun Bgray...why dont you do some research and find out exactly why that is..

also, we taxpayers pay for 8 armed bodyguards for him at all times..because hes faked assassination attempts on himself what, 3 times now? 

robert_graham
robert_graham

@danzigsdaddy @TimmyCox But isn't that the whole idea, that if something were to happen that the possee would react or are you looking to protect the shooter from harm?

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@TimmyCox @BillStewart2012 You mean if one of Joke's UNTRAINED prune posse shot them?

The posse did so well in the last "hooker roundup" after all!

Sheriff Joe's investigators' nudity, sex contact dooms prostitution cases
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 15, 2004 07:59 PM

About 60 people arrested last year in a prostitution sting will not be criminally charged because Maricopa County sheriff's deputies used tactics including nudity and sexual contact in their undercover operations, county prosecutors announced Tuesday. 

Maricopa County prosecutors believe the two-month sting, which targeted suspected prostitutes and men accused of soliciting sex for money, was botched by sheriff's officials who allowed undercover deputies and department "Posse" members to remove their clothing and engage in sex acts on videotape. 


bgray59
bgray59

@donotrecall Metal detectors are for the most ineffective against someone who is determined to smuggle a weapon into a restricted area.  Airport security is routinely breached by agents assigned to test the system.


you have no knowledge of the system at the Atlanta school.  You really need to do some research before you take a position.  Check my original post review the article and then reevaluate your position.  That of course if you are capable of reasoned thought and not totally controlled by your libido.

TimmyCox
TimmyCox

@danzigsdaddy @bgray59 why would you oppose anybody in our schools armed that can likely prevent another tragedy? you are a nut case.

bgray59
bgray59

@danzigsdaddy @bgray59 Shoot the messenger and ignore the message.  


You miss my whole point.  Most anti gun advocates do not want adequate security in the schools.  I recommend that your read the linked article on a presentation made by LTC Dave Grossman PHD and one of the worlds foremost authorities on aggression.

http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/


I admit that many of my ideas are lifted from DR Grossman's work.  


What most people do not realize is that the Aurora shooter passed up on a number of theaters and selected one which posted its premise as a gun free zone. He chose that site because he knew that no one present would be able to oppose him.


Joe the publicity hound that he is, offered a deterrent which may have moved potential copy cats away from Maricopa Schools.  The dissection of the actual policy by the anti Joe media has stripped away that deterrence and made our children more vulnerable.


In this case the media should use discretion and allow the facade to continue.  They seem to care more for the attack on Joe than the safety of the Children/  


danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 how is me saying he proposed a damn good idea at first knocking on him? i said right from get go that the first idea he had was great and that i even wanted to support him on it. he screwed up a good idea, but it was an idea i have been trying to encourage him going back to. i dont know how you think encouraging him to do better and praising the first idea out there as the best idea to be , is me against him. go back, reread the posts, i have always said i didnt like him but that his first idea was great. i even said how he could improve where he went off track, and the only correction i was proposing was HIS idea in the first place

bgray59
bgray59

@david_saint01 @bgray59 I am very familiar with the military security systems.  They have a great deal of merit.  The beauty of those systems is they are a defense in depth backed with an overwhelming armed response.  Unfortunately, they are priced way beyond the ability of a school system to install.  

I am currently working  on a presentation for a small school district.  Current cost is 10 K.  Unfortunately, their boiler went out and they may be able to scrape 5 K together.  

For that reason. we are looking at a do it yourself system with a phased installation.  

Response time for the first Officer is 20 minutes.  Total number of Officers available for a response is 6.  This  will require that local volunteers will be needed to compliment the Professionals. 

These volunteers will be  vetted, trained and certified IAW AZ standards.  They will be included in the drills which we propose to have on a quarterly basis until all elements of the team, School personnel, Law enforcement and all emergency services become proficient.

bgray59
bgray59

@danzigsdaddy Frankly, from your post, in your view sheriff Joe could die personally saving the President and the Pope at the same time and you would fault him for being a publicity hound.  


Most of your contributions to this discussion have been emotional,  tumors, off subject and not factual.


As Joe Friday says Just the facts mam, just the facts. 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 i am not going to commend someone just because they came up with an idea. if its a good idea, fine, but if it isnt, there is no need to tell them good job. i commended Joe for his initial idea, i condemn him for what he implemented. if i were to say " lets give every one who lives next to the school some guns, they could respond before anybody else" would you thank me for a good idea? NO, because its a horrible idea. why would we all commend Joe for a plan that has flaws all over it? you dont encourage bad ideas just because they were put forth. if you want to think Joe is doing something...good, most everyone else here does not, and therefore we are not going to thank or congratulate him. 

david_saint01
david_saint01

@bgray59 @david_saint01 no they arent..many people have been posting here under the same SN for years...relax bro, lol not everything is a conspiracy. 

Now, my shot at the NRA is due to their constant necessity to sit there and claim only more guns will solve the problem. They dont want any other idea but their own taken seriously..why? because they ARE the gun companies. The NRA isnt what it once used to be. 

I havent told anyone what the idea is because I want my neighbor to get the credit for it..its actually his idea. What he does is install security systems on military bases all over the US. The types of systems used, if implemented properly, could prevent just about any type of shooting. Again, i cant go further into detail, but bet if it works for military bases it will work for schools. 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@david_saint01 if you want the pics of them, let me know where to send them, i have them. abc15 pulled his threats off, but i snapped the photos before they did

david_saint01
david_saint01

@danzigsdaddy @JoeArpaioFan let me know if he does that again...no bs, i will copy it and send it to a detective friend of mine and have him investigated...yes, that was a warning fan boi..dont believe me? try me...

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan  before you let your mouth get ahead of you on this one, dont forget, Joe had the New Times people arrested for releasing his info too. and they didnt do it as a threat as you are doing (which i believe may compound the seriousness of this crime)

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan  ????no reply???? that would be "BUSTED"  also here's a tip for you sport. threatening to release peoples personal information because of their beliefs or political stand is illegal. not only is it intimidation but it could also tie you in to identity theft if anyone uses that info for the theft of that persons ID. your big mistake was to post that threat on the abc15 site. and since its gone now and you cant delete your posts......guess who might be in trouble?  yep, that would be you.so basically you are complicit in an activity you are howling about with the illegal immigrants. did you think that maybe someone can use that info to establish an identity? congratulations! you are a criminal. now if you are true to your claims of wanting law and order and justice, you should be turning yourself in.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan lots of people misspell, but not the same word and very few people think you can catch cancer. the odds of them all being on the same site are pretty slim. FOUL is another one you misspell on multiple screen names...its not FOWL

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@WhoKnows Jaffy goes by many, many names........isnt that a sign of a personality disorder?

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@bgray59 @donotrecall You sad little conspiracy goofbag!  Did JFK really die, or his his brain running the nuclear plants?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@TimmyCox  if they are good enough for the schools, they should be good enough for Joe. and the great thing is, he can have more of them and it wont cost us a dime. he says he wants to save us money.....there would be a good start. they have the same training and powers as regular deputies according to him, and he touts them more than his regular deputies, so he should be happy to use them instead

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@TimmyCox just any old psycho path with a gun in the schools is what started this mess, why would i want Joe to put more mentally unstable people in there. if these people are so good, why doesnt Joe put his bodyguards and drivers back on patrol as regular cops and let the posse handle his security?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 there is no solution. if someone wants to do it, they will find a way. but compounding the risk of  danger by putting people who are not qualified, trained or experienced there as a deterrent is not the answer either. there is a reason they are free labor and not paid officers. actual paid officers with experience and training is not a solution either, but is a safer deterrent and a more effective deterrent

david_saint01
david_saint01

@bgray59 @danzigsdaddy BG, the last line is funny..cause everyone wants to forget this is the same man who claims hes out to protect kids who ignored hundreds of them being sexually abused. Thats my problem with it period. He has shown time and time again his priority is his ego, not safety. And bet, when the time comes, he'll prove that again...I just hope its not a kid that dies like the innocent men and women killed in his jails before they reach arraignment. 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 as for how many PPD were charged and dismissed for bad conduct? quite a few, the only difference is MCSO didnt terminate anyone for any of the crimes or poor conduct. PPD took care of their problems MCSO didnt

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 so you dont think REAL cops would be better qualified for this security, and you feel the families should not have any say?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 i just used PPD as an example (yes there are bad apples in every group), but i would have been happier if Joe used ACTUAL deputies instead of the posse, and would have been ecstatic if he did that AND worked with the schools and parents

bgray59
bgray59

@WhoKnows @bgray59 @danzigsdaddy how many of Phoenix PD were charged with crimes over the same period of time.  How many were dismissed for bad conduct and their actions quietly swept under the table.


In every organization their are issues.  One should not dismiss the entire program for the actions of a few.  


A highly visible presence is a good deterrent.  

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 that lst part is what we are saying Ray. Joe is not having an overall plan. its his plan and he is not sharing it with the parents or school. he should be working with them not over them

bgray59
bgray59

@danzigsdaddy @bgray59 exactly what I said. thank you for supporting my position.  Did you read the article on DR Grossman.

bgray59
bgray59

@WhoKnows The SROs at Columbine followed their training.  They observed and reported (or as those of us who have worked in school security say Ran and Hid)  Post Columbine the police changed their tactics and respond immediately rather than waiting.


There were more than two people carrying concealed at Tucson.  They reacted as they were trained IAW the DPS concealed carry course.  They did not engage the shooter.  1. They were not directly threatened. 2. They did not have a shot.  3. They were more afraid of getting shot by the POLICE than the shooter. 4. They were concerned over the legal issues which they would have faced had they engaged the shooter.  Pima County has a very bad reputation when it comes to self defense shootings.


Once again the posters miss the point.  Unless the SRO is a part of an overall security plan they are ineffective.  The one SRO whom i worked with was assigned the post because she was incapable of performing on the street.  Whenever we had a situation,  She barricaded herself in her office or left campus if she could not get into her office.



danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

people want a say or part in the welfare of their children and Joe is not leaving any room for that. nobody wants to be told how to raise or what is good for their children by a third party, and that is exactly what Joe is doing. and he is doing it in a way that is not allowing for any parental input or addressing any parental concerns.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 ray, i will say this honestly though, i really dont know if it would be as big of a debate if it was PPD doing this instead of Joe and MCSO or the MCSO posse. i in all absolute fairness and honesty, firmly believe that it IS such a big debate simply because of Joe being the one to be the one doing it. i know that all of my personal reservations stem from Joe's involvement in it (I am at least honest enough to state where my problems lie). i can appreciate your point of view, and hope you are seeing my perspective on it. I do agree that something HAS to be done to protect our children and communities, but i also feel Joe's "My Way or the Highway" approach is detrimental.  i just wish to god, he would have been rational and flexible in his implementation of this. him going in without approval or communication is what is causing most of the problems in this debate. people want to know more about who is the guy at their kids school with the gun, but Joe is essentially saying to the public "you dont need to know, you dont have a say in it and you cant do anything about it"  with that mentality in ANY situation, you will find resistance. after over 20 years in his job, you would assume Joe would know that. and he does, that is why he is doing it.......because it is a game to him and that is the wrong approach to security and or safety. and it most definitely is not the correct approach to the diplomatic relations that this situation requires

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@bgray59 @danzigsdaddy JT Ready was a proud member of the MCSO posse, who killed his girlfriend and three other family members (including an infant), and then off himself, and was found to have a number of illegal weapons.

There are convicted felons on the posse (as reported by ABC15).  This is a Joke Clown Circus STUNT and nothing more!

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 there is a new poster on here who is part of a community watch effort. the way they work is to gather and inform the neighborhood of problems and address concerns. that is an effective approach. communication and coordination is how you solve the problem, not just loading up for bear and sending people into a scenario without working together

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@bgray59 you expressing what YOU believe will happen, the same as i am expressing what I believe will happen. neither of us is exactly right nor are we exactly wrong. i and many of my family are gun advocates (and some of them are what you would probably call "rabid advocates") many of us feel that they are in more danger with Joe's posse for 2 reasons, #1 SOME of the posse members themselves are a threat to the situation (be it through inexperience, or crimes they have already done). #2 some people feel it will draw the trouble to those schools for many different reasons. nobody can see the future so nobody will know if this will work or not (it may work today, but might not work tomorrow). people are uptight and going after Arpaio because he is muddling up the issue with his trying to turn it into the Joe Show. he said he was going to do it.......fine, then lets hammer out the details.  nope, Joe doesnt communicate with anyone he feels he doesnt have to co-ordinate with any one. 1 posse member at a school is NOT going to stop something from happening, but is there as a deterent and to give the kids and parents peace of mind, but Joe is doing everything in a way that is not giving anyone but him peace of mind. he should have been meeting with the teachers and parents and addressing their concerns, NOT telling them "i am doing this and nobody can stop me". 

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@bgray59 @danzigsdaddy COMPLETE BS!.  AZ has had SROs for YEARS, and then the GOP legislature cut funding for them.  Right now, even Brewer wants to refund them.


And BTW, there were two armed SROs at Columbine, and two people carrying concealed at the Safeway in Tuscon.


What Joke did was a MEDIA STUNT.  He took people that in Dec could barely help people find their cars in mall parking lots, and told them to "patrol" around schools.  As they are NOT AZPOST or even trained, they can't even step on school property.  ALL they can do is a "media stunt" and call real cops if something happens!


Here's the Sun City posse in action:

thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-13-1999/colbert---really-old-cops

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