Is Joe Arpaio Responsible for MCSO's Bungled Sex-Crime Investigations?

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Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Valley media outlets have started to take in the 10,000 page, $5,000 internal-affairs report from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office on its hundreds of bungled sex crimes.

Based on several accounts of the report's summary, the specific sex-crimes detectives involved weren't pegged with all the blame. Understaffing is cited as a cause, as is mismanagement.

See also:
-Joe Arpaio Makes Moolah Off Botched Sex Crimes Investigations, and More Sex Crimes May Be Outstanding
-Joe Arpaio's Deputy Told to Work Fraud Cases Instead of Child Rape Crime
-Victims Wonder Why Arpaio Let Sex-Abuse Cases Languish

The only direct finger-pointing we've seen shoots at former Arpaio Chief Deputy David Hendershott, which is expected, and frankly, easy.

So, before all 10,000 pages are digested, let's take a guess -- is the guy running the joint responsible for the bungled sex crimes? Of course, we're talking about the man who spent the weekened holding a publicity stunt with a chunky actor in the name of dead children.

Since the summary of the report doesn't offer any real surprises, would you say that Arpaio's responsible for the bungled sex-crime investigations at the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office?

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39 comments
bobby5527
bobby5527

if there's criticism on how ineffective MCSO can be old joe always finds a scapegoat. and it's only the MCSO where ultimate responsibility for how that department is run never lies with the head of that organization.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

MCSO didnt just bungle them, there were a few of those cases where they threw the victims right back into the hands of the rapists too

Avery Marx
Avery Marx

No, everyone knows illegal mexicans are all sex offenders.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

Joe is right though, its not his detectives fault. his agency needed more money and more man-power to handle these problems. its not the detectives fault that Joe mismanaged over $100 million dollars (including the $600,000 that was given to him specifically to get the manpower he needed), nor is it their fault there was not enough manpower once Joe and Henderschott sent 1/2 the unit to the Honduras to train their officers in investigating skills that they were never allowed to exercise or demonstrate in the first place. its not their fault they had absolutely no leader or proper supervision.............oh? wait.... that would all be on whoever controls that agency wouldnt it? well then, maybe you shouldnt have elected Henderschott sheriff, should you? hmmm, somethings not right there is it?

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

The senior executive of any company, organization or agency, whether in the private sector or public sector, is ultimately responsible for everything that occurs during his or her tenure at the company, organization or agency.  Period.  End of Story.  He may not have done it himself, but he is responsible for the way in which his organization operates and therefore is fully responsible.  And if that isn't enough, then how about his in-court testimony on the witness stand in the racial profiling lawsuit against him, ""I establish priorities and policies, and my people carry it out."

Robert Marquez
Robert Marquez

Does Joe blow have children, grandchildren? What if they were victims of a sex crime or the suspect?

Terrie De Santa
Terrie De Santa

Of course he is! He is supposed to be in charge. Right?

Gary Waterman
Gary Waterman

As the leader of the Sheriffs Dept he is ultimately responsible for everything within it. But if the question is being asked from a litreral stand point I would have to say NO he isn't. He may be a lot of things but lets be serious. I would find it hard to imagine someone within his staff coming to his office and saying..Oh Joe, I almost forgot to mention, we have these 400 cases of sex crimes, many against children. Would you like us to ignore them? Not likely. How many of you work in a rather large office? How much shit goes on that the boss never really knows about? Just look at New Times itsself. Employees get high in their parking lot yet still keep their jobs. I doubt their BOSS would condone this....yet it happens! Is their boss ultimately responsible? Yes, he/she is. Joe's "office" is extremely large and spread out into 500 square miles. many diff buildings, departments and thousands of staff. He is hardly aware of many things that go on daily. If it is found he promotes this type of atmosphere, he needs to go. If he DOESNT promote this type of atmoshphere but doesn't punish (fire) those who dropped the ball on this, he needs to go. But if he was truely unaware comes down with an iron fist on this, we move on.

Victor Hoelscher
Victor Hoelscher

No argument on Arpaio sucking!!! It's just that some of these publicity stunts by certain groups who are trying to profit off the hype surrounding people’s misery, actually suck just as bad Arpaio!!

Genaro Alcantara
Genaro Alcantara

Of course he was using more than 50 agents one time in a raid that caught 2 people accused to be working Illigals and he ignored the real investigations because hes stupid racism.

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

Every agency head is ALWAYS named as the primary defendant in every civil action. Those people are always assumed to be vicariously responsible for the actions or inactions of their employees.

If this had occurred with a real law enforcement agency, instead of MCSO, the 'chief' officer of the agency would be gone, looking for another career.

This goon who refers to himself now as the world's toughest sheriff uses his position as being an elected official to stay in his position.

The ONLY way to get rid of him is through the recall effort now in place.

Years ago MANY of us who were posting on this site anticipated that Hendershott would take the fall for the shurf, as did the other fools, Black and Fox. Now he has more fools named Sands, Sheridan, etc., ready to swallow the sword for him.

Shawn Olson
Shawn Olson

well said Richard , but i'am sure he will fire some one who had nothiing to do with it ! what a scum bag .......

frank.chacon
frank.chacon

Sheriff Jerk Off is never accountable for his staffs screw ups. He will claim no knowledge of what was going on. That he doesn't handle day to day operations that is the responsibility of the Deputy Chief's. The only time this bafoon takes credit is when he rounds up landscapers and dishwashers. With a fully armed swat team with full automatic weapons and his tank.

Richard Lane
Richard Lane

I was a NAVY man! ULTIMATELY when something goes wrong with that ship WHO'S TO BLAME??? It's not the !!!COOK!!!

Jennifer Moeckel
Jennifer Moeckel

It's really awesome of you, Victor, to defend a man who let over 400 sexual abuse cases go uninvestigated. Is it that you really like Arpaio or do you just really hate Randy Parraz?

Ted Meyer
Ted Meyer

Yes the fish stinks from the head down as the old saying goes

Cole Jacobsen
Cole Jacobsen

In the New Times defense, he does suck. So does there creative staff and writers. Hire me as an idea man. Sherriff Joe won't be any of my ideas.

Victor Hoelscher
Victor Hoelscher

Wow!! Look at the new times trying to rally folks around the So-Called "Recall" effort against Arpaio...Don't forget to send in lots of cash $$$. Randy need new shoes? Stephen Lemon need 2 dozen hamburgers and a pie?

robert_graham
robert_graham

Oh and by the way, you will no doubt be reading here soon that once again our fantastic Governor Jan Brewer has said there will be no drivers licenses for DREAMERs. This is nothing new because I have already told you that's the way it's going to be, but go ahead and keep stomping your feet and cry like a baby but licenses for DREAMERs ain't ever gonna happen.

robert_graham
robert_graham

If what you call botched the sex-crime investigations centered around say, Penzone instead, would you be crying fowl just like you are now?  Of course not!  If there was such a thing as botched illegal immigration investigations, would you be crying fowl about that too?  Of course not.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

in 2004 Arpaio was given $600,000 to add more manpower and to meet set standards in the investigation of sex crimes. Joe along with many other agency heads signed promises that they would meet those standards, and to this day, Joe has failed to do so. the $600,000 is still missing and can NOT be tracked as to where it went. Joe 's internal investigation cites a lack of man-power and funding as the cause of the mishandling of these cases. He WAS given the funds to correct this BEFORE the mismanagement of these cases, so how is he NOT responsible for these errors? PPD has had similar situations and has internally handled these with terminations and disciplinary actions, MCSO has not. If Joe is not responsible for the errors of his staff and they arent either....then who is?

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

Avery Marx, I didn't know, would you care to explain how do you know that for a fact, or have Your Pussy been tampered by one of them? is that you Studboi1?

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy if they want to use the "we didnt have the resources" excuse, just two problems. One, they always seem to have the manpower to do raids on businesses and reality shows. Second, there needs to be a FULL audit of MCSO's books by an independent agency. I dont doubt they would find all kinds of "discrepancies"...

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

Gary Waterman, You posted:" He is hardly aware of many things that go on daily....." A leader of ANY ENTERPRISE has to be aware of EVERYTHING related to LAW ENFORCEMENT  that goes on in there, that's why he was put on that position; to be 'AWARE".  he supose to have the experience required to handle any situation. it doesn;t matter how large is that enterprise or how many Buildings there are. to say the contrary is nonsense. All this PUTO does is make excuse after excuse and then HE DOESN'T RECALL. HE IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE for all the shit that is RELEVANT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. In this case ; the 400+ cases

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@Gary Waterman  nobody is in trouble for dropping the ball. Joe is laying it all on us for not giving him more funds (aside from the money he already mismanaged and lost)

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan only person crying here is you...and you are acting like a child also by thinking gloating about keeping people trying to work and become contributing members of society is cool. I dont care either way, only thing it does is hurt our state economy though genius. 

IdontRecall
IdontRecall

Jaffy, hurry You need to get another asshole where to hide, the shit is about to hit the fan, the 400+ univestigated sex crimes are all over the news networks all around the World, Your pimp is about to be recalled, BTW I hope that you get leprosy since you live in a pigsty just like the depend wearer Shurf.

66rock
66rock topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan   To your question of if it were Penzone in office, would we be crying fowl like we are now.  The answer is, Yes, of course, it does not matter who it is, the buck always stops with the leader.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan  heres the flaw in your logic Robert. Joe was not elected to go out and arrest people, he was elected to lead and run an agency. by Joe's own admission he leaves that up to his subordinates. according to Joe, Henderschott ran that agency and committed all those errors. Where was the guy we elected to do that? i dont recall seeing a Henderschott for Sheriff campaign, do you? did you see a Fox or Black sign or campaign? i didnt, so why were they running the agency Joe was elected and paid to? so every time you say Joe is doing his job, you are full of shit. Joe's job is and always has been to lead and run that agency and he hasnt according to him. who in the hell are we paying to do that job since joe isnt

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan short answer: YES...now that weve gotten that out of the way, what other excuses are you going to try and make for your heros failure to protect children? And i put it like that because some of those offenders who were ignored abused other kids afterwards...which could have been prevented had MCSO done their jobs...again, just that merits his recall and firing! If the country flipped on Joe Paterno for ignoring 8 kids, what do you think they will say when they find out this joe ignored HUNDREDS?!?! 

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan  there are botched illegal immigration raids and we do complain about them, they are called "EMPLOYER SANCTION RAIDS" the problem is, they arent doing anything to the people who are aiding in the infusion of illegal immigrants by hiring them. you are they one enabling illegal immigration by saying it doesnt matter who hires them. so YOU are the one creating the problem of illegal immigration by refusing to acknowledge or punish those who are condoning or participating in it. if a coyote is guilty in assisting illegal immigration, so is the guy hiring the illegal immigrants.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan Why did YOU get banned from the Penzone website?  You never did tell us!

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy one might suggest an audit is in order for MCSO..since one hasnt been done since 96. That might help clear up where that 600k went..Tea party, oh tea party, arent you the ones always complaining about how Dems piss away your money????? lol heres your chance to prove you arent full of bat shit. (as in bat shit crazy) Demand an audit from an outside agency from MCSO...do that, and you have my attention..Dont do it, and i will just take your words for what they are..worthless

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

people want Eric Holder held responsible for fast and furious (he didnt physically do the deal himself), and people want Obama held responsible for the many problems occuring because of his cabinet (again, Obama did not physically do these things himself), so why should Joe be exempt from his agencies mistakes? either Joe is culpable in the mismanagement of the cases or he is culpable in the mismanagement of the money.....which one is it, or is it both?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@david_saint01 gotta love it, Joe cant keep people from escaping his newer multi-million dollar jail unless he gets more money to improve the newer building. he cant investigate sex crimes properly unless he gets more money and more man-power. we already gave it to him in both cases and he burned through it without ever applying it to what it was for, and without leaving a paper trail of what it was spent on. what number does he think he will need to improve these things? maybe $100 million would help? (well it didnt the first time around, so why would it when it dissappears mysteriously for a second time either)

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

the captain should go down with the ship, meanwhile Joe is throwing bodies left and right so there is room for him in the lifeboat. that sure as hell isnt being a captain


robert_graham
robert_graham

@WhoKnows What web site are you talking about? I have never been banned from any web site.  But how about if you answer my question you replied to above or has the cat got your tongue?

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan yes we would be howling for blood on Penzone too. the big difference is, Penzone wasnt given $600,000 or signed a promise to meet standards that he never did, like Joe has. Penzone hasnt fucked off over $170,000,000 through stupidity or mismanagement either

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