Worse Proposal for Arizona Law: Loyalty Oath, or Pledge of Allegiance Requirement?

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Arizona may have the highest rate of high school dropouts in the nation, but some of the legislation that's been proposed thus far in the realm of education does nothing but continue the nationally recognized circus act known as the Arizona State Legislature.

Chiefly, we're talking about two especially worthless bills -- one that forces high school students to take an oath of loyalty to the United States Constitution in order to receive a diploma, and another that requires students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance daily.

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-Legislators Propose Forcing High School Students to Swear to Defend Constitution
-Legislators Have More Proposals: Make Pledge of Allegiance a Requirement
-Arizona's Number One in the United States! (For Highest Rate of High School Dropouts)

House Bill 2467, sponsored by Republican state Representatives Bob Thorpe, Sonny Borrelli, Carl Seel, T.J. Shope, and Steve Smith, proposes the following:

"Before a pupil is allowed to graduate from a public high school in this state, the principal or head teacher of the school shall verify in writing that the pupil has recited the following oath:

"I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; so help me God."

Smith and Shope are also in on House Bill 2284. Whereas current Arizona law says students in public schools can opt out of doing the pledge if they so choose, Smith's and Shope's proposal says only a child's parents can let them avoid reciting the pledge.

Smith and Shope didn't get back to our request for an explanation on that, but let's ask you, New Times readers: which idea sounds worse to you?

Cast your vote below:

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Amazing, we the people are living in an intentional haze of sprayed Chemicals in our atmosphere, being covertly sprayed by our Government.

We are being spyed on by disguised Jet, and Propellor U.A.V. Drones with high tech. thermal veiwing and laser listening, that can see right through our Homes. These Drones fly out of many various locations, Gateway Airport, and Falcon Field to name a couple, the U.A.V.'s are disguised to hide right in plain veiw as phony Airliners, Fed Ex, private smaller aircrafts, even little V-wing Drones.

Our Constitution is Being "Raped" by these wonderful Legislators who want to force our Children to take Oaths?!!!!


A Government of, by, and for the "People"doing all of the above covertly to us!

China shoots these Chemicals in their atmosphere with cannons, how ever their Communist Government is "Honest" with the Chinese People most of whom wear dust masks whenever going outdoors.

Why can't our Government Simply be "Honest"?!!!


WTF. I almost can picture these kooks doing that scene on That 70's show, where everybody is smoking weed seating around the table, maybe that's how they get all those great ideas.

eric.nelson745 topcommenter

The loyalty oath was a regular gag by Hawkeye and B.J. on M.A.S.H. For them, it was ridiculous to have to keep repeating the same oath they took to become commissioned officers. But as for AZ high schoolers, what would it require them to do in order to "support and defend?" Forever vote only for wingnuts?


Wow, I wasn't aware that our schools were in such good shape that these types of things are all we needed to address.  Did I miss something?

And, where's C: All of the above ?


For any of you that haven't read the paper, Smith has introduced a bill to reimburse Pearce for the recall.

WhoKnows topcommenter

The pledge requirement has already been found unconstitutional by the SCOTUS, and the "oath" will get laughed out of court, yet cost us a bunch in legal fees!

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

i commented on another post about there not being  the pledge to the flag or prayer being allowed in school, i didnt know about this new addition of the flag pledge at the time. while i have no problem with these things being offered freely, the way they are telling these kids it must be done sounds more like an indoctrination to me. i joined the Marines in the 80's and that was my choice. taking a loyalty oath or pledge and swearing to defend a country, constitution or flag is not something that everyone can do. to all those people who did NOT join the service and defend or fight for their country but demand it of others....they have no right to do so. just telling someone that they have to do something you never did, does not make you a patriot or instill patriotism in others.


Souns to me like someone has WAY too much spare time on their hands!



I say we "re-imburse" Russell  Pearce for his Class Five Felony Rigging/Manipulating in his Recall Election!

The Mrs. Cortes Scheme by Pearce, his Brother, Two Neices, Mrs. Cortes, the Tea Party, and GOP Officials, and all involved committed a "Felony" under Arizona Law!

They should all be serving Nine Months, to Two Years in Jail!

This is the "Re-imburesment" Pearce should recieve!

Pearces Nieces even told person signing the Ballot Forms for them that this Cortes Scheme was a Feloniuos Scheme to help their Uncle Russell Pearce!!

To: Justice in Arizona , "The Corrupt Politician Sanctuary".

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