Worse Guns-in-School Plan: Joe Arpaio or Tom Horne?

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In response to the shooting massacre of children in Newtown, Connecticut, some people back here in the desert have proposed their own methods of preventing that type of tragedy from occurring here.

For Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, he's putting the armed geezers from his posse of volunteer deputies in schools, and for Attorney General Tom Horne, he's pushing for schools to allow one trained person to have access to a gun in case of an emergency.

See also:
-Tom Horne Wants Gun Access for One Trained Official at Each School; Says Could Avert "Another Newtown"
-Sheriff Arpaio Plans to Put Armed Posse Members in Schools

Both plans have some fairly apparent flaws.

As for Arpaio's plan, parents would have to hope that the alleged criminals in his posse -- like the guy who choked and tried to sexually assault his girlfriend a few years back, or the other one busted for cocaine possession -- aren't dispatched to their kid's school.

Under Horne's plan, the gun at the school -- which one person could use, if needed -- would be "locked in a secure place" until a situation came up that warranted a gun. It kind of seems like a goofy plan to prevent a mass shooting going on somewhere inside a school.

So, which plan sounds worse? Or, for the guns-in-schools advocates, which plan sounds second-best?

Cast your vote below:

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The Connecticut Shooter is the "Poster Child" for the Backwards, and Socially ill effects of Home Schooling, and allowing Whacked out Gun Entusiast, or Wierd Sheltering Parents to strip their Children of Live's Social Learning in our Nations Great Public School Systems.

There is more benefit to Public Schools, and learning to socially  interact than just Test Scores.

Our Children should not have to go to School in Maximum Secutity Prisons, or Have to change, or smell Sheriff Arpaio's Geezer Possee Patrols dirty Depends.

Perhaps we should be looking at "Home Schooling's" ill effects, and other Mentally disabling issues?

To: Liberty.

eric.nelson745 topcommenter

Horne's is goofier cuz by the time the staff member grabs the gun, the perp will have escaped or will have offed himself as is usually the case. But Joe's is not goofy but lame. Those senile old bastards are going to save the cream of Arizona's youth? Hahahaha. Please.


Either plan is okay. Why would anybody critisize any plan that could prevent another tragedy?

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

in all honesty, Joe ALMOST had a good or at least somewhat acceptable plan.....ALMOST. if it was actual police, not posse members, and around the school area, not in them....well then that plan would have been far superior to Hornes plan. the posse has people with criminal records, violence, sexual etc etc. and since they are not actual police, they do not have to pass the psychological or other requirements that actual police officers have to. Joe can claim all he wants that these posse members are qualified, but they arent. look at what one of the more recent noteworthy posse members actions was.....Steven Seagal killing a guy who was suspected (and was found to be innocent of) cock fighting's puppy in front of his kids.  a tank was needed also by Seagal to get into the guys yard (evidently it was needed to make a hole big enough to fit Seagals fat ass through). i am not even going to get into my objections of the police even being MCSO. they may not be my first choice either, but at least they arent the posse. so even though i find quite a few flaws in Joe's plan....it still has more potential than Horne's

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

if we had actual police doing the guarding...the police go through psyche evaluations (not saying they all pass, just saying they get them) but the teachers or principals wont be. if we had the posse doing it, we would also have someone who is not passing a psyche screening, and we would be covering them and their actions with county insurance. the posse members would most likely end up shooting themselves in the leg or a child and we would be on the hook for all those legal costs and medical costs (and most likely on the hook for wrongful death lawsuits that the posse would bring about)

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@shadeaux14 good point. if someone wants to do something bad enough...they will find a way


@danzigsdaddy The psych evaluations the police receive are done before they actually become officers. These evaluations do not reflect the stability of officers once they begin to work. I had enough contact with various valley LEOs to see that they definitely need to have regularly scheduled evals to weed out those who are burned out and those who present a danger to the people they are sworn to protect.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@shadeaux14 really? i honestly thought they would get regular screenings.......i think there should be annual screenings. that blows my mind, thanks for that info

MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter


Jaffy? Civil and rational? Holy crap I never thought I'd see the day.

As I said before, use the National Guard to patrol schools. That keeps police on the streets.


It would be far more expensive to pay for nursing care, and some one to change the stinky depends of Arpaio's Geezer Possee.

danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@JoeArpaioFan okay you are being civil and rational so i will too. #1 yes that is a good question you posed, but it is something we wiould just have to figure out. you know i am always going on about the sex crimes against the kids in el mirage, so if i were to complain at all about the cost...that would make me a hypocrite, so i would have to answer you with "i am willing to pay extra to protect the kids" #2 the legal repercussions of having untrained or unqualified officers would far outweigh the cost of extra police. Joe may have saved millions with tent city, but the lawsuits and wrongful death suits have far surpassed the savings

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