Legislators Propose Forcing High School Students to Swear to Defend Constitution in Order to Graduate

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"Finally, our state legislators are making sure Arizona's teenagers will ask for the Lord's help defending the Constitution before they're allowed to earn a high school diploma." --Nobody

If a handful of Republican state legislators have their way, high school students in Arizona would not be allowed to graduate until taking an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution.

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That's House Bill 2467, sponsored by Republican state Representatives Bob Thorpe, Sonny Borrelli, Carl Seel, T.J. Shope, and Steve Smith.

"Before a pupil is allowed to graduate from a public high school in this state, the principal or head teacher of the school shall verify in writing that the pupil has recited the following oath:

"I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; so help me God."

This is a totally real thing.

It's the same oath many elected politicians take upon taking office, and is similar to the oath taken by military personnel.

We're not lawyers, but this seems like this could become the only state law that would prevent Kim Jong-Un from getting a high school diploma in Arizona, unless he totally lied and took that oath. Good work, patriots (just kidding).

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heroichadrian
heroichadrian

Coercing people into swearing an oath and into claiming that they're doing so freely without reservation? That's called tyranny.

The Christians who have proposed this, if they had the power of deep thought, would realize that, in order to graduate, thousands of nonbelievers will swear the oath falsely, which means that it's inescapable that what they've proposed is a law that, in the Christian perspective, will give rise to mass blasphemy. Why would God be happy at having people *pretend* to be evoking His name?

Finally: Are they saying that non-American students who are in the country legally--perhaps, for example, because one of their parents is a world-renowned expert in some field who is teaching at the University of Arizona or a top-level manager at an international business relocated for a couple of years to the Phoenix office to exchange information--who happen to end twelfth grade while here shouldn't be able to graduate? Do they think, for example, that if an American diplomatic or corporate family lives in Bratislava and sends their kids to a local school there, that it would be OK for the schools there to require those American kids to swear allegiance to Slovakia?

cptmoore
cptmoore

Nothing says "I take this obligation freely" quite like a state law that withholds your diploma unless you swear an oath.

davidcmoorman
davidcmoorman

"... I take this obligation freely..." - Uh, not when forced. It's called coercion. 

StopTheHating
StopTheHating

And we all know that this oath actually means something, especially when one hand is on a bible.  No one would ever cheat on a test or simply utter the words of the oath just to get out of high school. And what if, at some point in this Arizona school graduate's life, they decided not to uphold the constitution, of heaven forbid, disagree with something like the meaning of the Second Amendment?

I honestly believe there is something very wrong with the water in Arizona. How else could one state have so much more of its share of loonies?

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

I have an idea. Since the right to bear arms iPad guaranteed by the Second Amendment is based on a well regulated militia and the Framers belief that every able bodied man would serve in the militia, how about an oath to the Constitution for every gun owner. How about an oath by gun owners to respect and defend the Constitution, including those Articles that create representative democracy. Now that would be an appropriate oath to requie individuals to make.

squash
squash

If this isn't indoctrination, I don't know what is. It's also another attempt by conservatives to sneak god into the public school system. It's funny because what you have is conservatives who say they are against "big government" but advocate it at the same time. 

marcy
marcy

They force you to sign something that says "I take this obligation freely" or you don't graduate from high school.

Next up, in order to not be beaten with a rubber house you must "freely confess" to whatever crime the police demand you freely confess to.

marcy
marcy

It should come as no surprise that Carl "Potato Head" Seel, another deadbeat legislator, is behind this.

Guess what Carl, believing in imaginary beings isn't a requirement to graduate from high school.   Nor should it be.

oscaroscaroscar
oscaroscaroscar

Here is how you get past these bugnutty tea party morons...claim that taking the oath is receiving "the mark of the beast" and it is Satanic!  Praise Jeebus!  These morons killed a once proud party.

Cozz
Cozz

No big deal, they can take it and then use it for toilet paper just like the rest of the politicians do.

MrDuke
MrDuke

How come every time our state GOP'ers come up with this whacked out Orwellian shit I get visions of a Scooby Do episode???  "And we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids!! Them and their "human rights"."  Its truly mind numbing that we willfully elected these baboons to run our state. And not to mention we have WAY bigger issues in this state they should be focusing on instead of this sideshow nonsense. 

NWEng
NWEng

Only in the GOP "land of the free" will students be forced to swear an oath of allegiance in order to graduate. 

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

Ok, after thinking about this, I wonder if they consider that if a kid here illegally takes their oath, that could very well be considered giving them US citizenship, as the government is requiring this oath!

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

How about instead of the legislature making high school students take an oath to the Constitution, the legislature actually fund our schools so that our students have qualified teachers to teach them the Constitution and small enough classes so that they can actually engage in meaningful discussion about the importance and substance of the Constitution.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

What I would suggest instead, is that for US citizens wanting a high school diploma, that they need to pass the equivalent of the citizenship test given to people wanting to become US citizens.  Make it part of AIMMS testing.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

heres the problem with their oath, it says "that i take this obligation freely". this is not true. by telling them they can not graduate unless they take that oath, you are coercing or forcing them and you are holding their future ransom for that pledge. I am all for them taking a pledge, but i am against telling them that they can not graduate without it. that is telling them that if they dont pledge their loyalty to you, they just wasted 12 years or more of their lives and will not be able to attain a higher education to better their lives or seek gainful employment. as if our country wasnt low enough on the education ranking to begin with

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

Even wacked-out GED Jan would veto this bill.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

Does this dingbat not understand that there are kids in schools who's parents have work visas or green cards and are NOT US citizens?

And even for US Citizens, this is another tea bagger bill that will cost the state a ton in legal fees when it's thrown out by the court!

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

i think most of the legislature needs to take this oath...and actually follow through on it...Constituents over party and lobbyists should be the oath they have to take though. 

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@JohnQ.Public That is basicly there - The Militia Act of 1792, signed by George Washington.

Washington did call up the "2nd amendment Militia" to put down an insurrection against the US Gov called the "Whiskey Rebellion".

sliperymike
sliperymike

@squash they are bastardizing the masonic oath....whitch is taken freely and without reservation.and was what this great country was founded on...in TRUTH

steve smith is an idiot,and so id is his dad, stan!

marcy
marcy

Make that a rubber hose, not house.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@WhoKnows  good point. you are getting sworn in, same as with legislaters and in the service

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@WhoKnows that is a good idea, but the way education is these days, i honestly doubt many of them could pass it

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@eric.nelson745  i am going to have to strongly disagree with you on this. its about crazy enough to garner her support. and its nothing that old GED Jan would have ever had to do

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@WhoKnows Yep. The Framers believed that they needed the Second Amendment in order to enact the Militia Act. To demonstrate how twisted the argument over the Second Amendment has become, the Militia Act required gun ownership by every able bodied man, which was highly controversial at the time. it also required military (militia)service when called upon which was essentially a military draft. So, it is not out of the question and would be quite in line with the Framers intent to require that every gun owner swear an oath to the Constitution because the right to bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment is intrinsically tied to service in the well regulated militia.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy @WhoKnows There was a study done in AZ a few years back, and something like 6% of HS grads could pass the citizenship test.  That is sad.

squash
squash

@danzigsdaddy I'd be the last one to defend Jan, but you never know. She vetoed bills allowing electronic billboards and guns on campus/in government buildings, as well as the "birther" bill that was introduced about two years ago. All of that went contrary to what the AZ Republican base stands for, so I wouldn't be completely surprised if she vetoes the said bill in question. Seems every now and then, when not in a drunken stupor, 'ol Jan experiences a moment of lucidity/change of conscience and shifts positions completely. I guess we'll see what happens...

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@JohnQ.Public The real Militia was by state, and today is called something like "The AZ National Guard".

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@WhoKnows i dont doubt it, i wish i was making a joke when i said that, but i am being dead serious. our education system is sad enough and we have enough people now who refuse or are unable to further their educations, but when you threaten someone with something like that....they tend to rebel against you. many people would just turn around and walk out the door, finger held high in the old F-you salute rather than take an oath for you after you threaten to not allow them to graduate.

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