Is a Mandatory Loyalty Oath for High Schoolers Among the Dumbest Things You've Heard This Week?

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If you haven't heard the latest brilliant idea out of the state capitol, it's to make high schoolers pledge their loyalty to upholding and defending the Constitution in order to receive their diplomas.

That's how the sponsors of House Bill 2467 -- Republican state Representatives Bob Thorpe, Sonny Borrelli, Carl Seel, T.J. Shope, and Steve Smith -- are choosing to spend their time.

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-Legislators Propose Forcing High School Students to Swear to Defend Constitution in Order to Graduate

And here it is:

"I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; so help me God."

This morning, sit back, relax, and think -- is this one of the dumbest things you've heard in the last week?

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interloper
interloper

My theory. This is part of an effort by the Arizona Republicans to put the ACLU out of business by making them file so many 1st Amendment cases that they will eventually go bankrupt.

JoeCurwen
JoeCurwen

Nothing like taking an oath freely while under duress from government extortion!

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

I think that this is a great idea! Once they've taken the oath we can conscript them into the Arizona Special Missions Unit that Senators Sylvia Allen and Lori Klein (SB 1083; 2012) wanted to establish to "secure" the border. We'll give each one of them a US Army Colt .45 (you know, the official Arizona state gun). Who needs a border fence when you can place armed recently graduated Arizona high school students with a recently affirmed oath to the Constitution shoulder to shoulder from California to New Mexico. As far as I can tell this is a win-win-win proposal. No downside at all.

eric.nelson745
eric.nelson745 topcommenter

D'ya suppose JAF was one of the "no" voters? Now, seriously, the bozos who wrote HB 2467 must be smoking crack if they think it would ever pass constitutional muster. Yesterday I went out on a limb and predicted that if the bill passes, GED Jan will have the presence of mind to veto it. One poster said "don't be too sure."

Cozz
Cozz

Didn't Hitler do the same thing ?

Peter Fullmer
Peter Fullmer

As stupid as this is, it's most definitely not the dumbest thing I've heard in the last week. It can be dumbest thing I've heard in the last hour, though. Let's go with that.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

if the police are balking at having to re-take their oaths, what makes the idiots pushing this bill think that this is a good idea? all it will do is cause resentment and rebellion from those they are telling that they HAVE to volunteer to take this oath freely or face punishment for not doing so. there will be a lot of people dropping out of school and remaining uneducated once they are told they have to go to school for 12 years and then HAVE to swear loyalty to someone or the last 12 years wont count for anything

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

"that I take this obligation freely..."

It sure seems odd that this coterie of lawmaker misfits doesn't seem to understand that making it MANDATORY to cite this oath is in DIRECT CONFLICT with the basics of democracy and the Constitution of the United States of America. 

If something is being MANDATED it's certainly not being performed "freely".... now is it?

Seriously, folks, shouldn't our elected officials be working on the basics needed for running our state and not worrying about mentally directing the thoughts of high school students who want to graduate?

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

This has already been tried and is no longer law. It was called, "The military draft". 

Honestly, if a high school age student is so dedicated (s)he can join ROTC and then enter the military after graduation, or continue ROTC in college and then become an officer after graduation. Not all high school students appreciate our constitution or the results of such meaningful prose.

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

Let's see..they take the oath freely, but if they don't they can't graduate? That kind of logic is not surprising considering its origin.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

Watch this bill be struck down by the Supreme Court.

eyedontbelieveyou
eyedontbelieveyou

How can we expect these children to uphold that oath when 1) they do not even understand the Constitution and 2) our elected representatives, both Democrips and ReBloodicans, do not uphold their own oath to support and defend the Constitution.  We need to hold these elected officials responsible first.  The video below shows out of 435 elested representatives, who took an oath to defend the Constitution, only 25 Democrips and 49 ReBloodicans showed up to actually read it. Proof that 7/8 of our representatives do not care about their oath or the best interest of the American people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8rC_kOEQjk

teknik
teknik

wow, I wonder if it's those "constitutional conservatives"?   you know, the ones who have no idea what the bill of rights actually grants us.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

while there is nothing wrong with REQUESTING or ASKING them to take the oath, there is a lot wrong with telling them they cant graduate unless they do. it even goes against some of the beliefs you had just taught them about the government you are forcing them to swear allegiance to. i think it would also open the door for many other problems. does this mean that they are violating that oath unless they join the service and if so, what is the punishment? does this mean you are violating that oath if you oppose any bill that increases taxes? and if so, what is that punishment?

JohnQ.Public
JohnQ.Public

@eric.nelson745 That was me who said don't be so sure that Jan will veto it. If jan thinks it will help her personally or politically (think appealing to the wingnut base in a run for Senate when McCain retires) then she would sign it in a heartbeat.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

@Cozz

Yup. Hitler made all German citizens swear an oath of allegiance to him personally.

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

@MaskedMagician1967 The bill is still being proposed. It has a LONG way to go before it could possibly become 'law' and then likely would be struck down by the 9th District without ever having to go to the U.S. Supreme Court. I don't expect the centrist Republicans and the Democrats to let this bill out of committee, if it makes it even that far.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@MaskedMagician1967  everybody would be at risk of being accused of violating that oath at one point or another. just like any law, that would be open to interpertation. both the Republicans and the Democrats believe they are upholding the constitution and that the other side is not. all it would take is you not supporting one side on an issue and then you would be guilty in their eyes of violating that oath. 

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

@Tommy_Collins

The fact that it's even being proposed is enough to crack me up.

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967 topcommenter

@danzigsdaddy

We're one step closer to becoming a complete police state.

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