Morning Poll: Sheriff Arpaio Plans to Put Armed Posse Members in Schools

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What do you think of Arpaio's decision to deploy volunteer posse members at schools?

Totally upstaged by Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio went ahead late Thursday with an announcement for his own anti-Newtown idea: armed posse members at schools.

The posse will "safeguard schools from violent predators," Arpaio claims.

He's not asking for permission, of course -- he plans to deploy the volunteer deputies to schools whether you like it or not.

It's unclear whether the possemen will be under orders to round up illegal immigrants at the same time. Arpaio is fighting the federal's government's attempts in court to tame what the Department of Justice called one of the worst cases in U.S. history of racial profiling.

See also: Tom Horne, Arizona AG, Wants Gun Access for One Trained Official at Each School; Says Could Avert "Another Newtown"


Armed possemen (and possewomen, we presume) have been used successfully for 19 years at Valley malls, the sheriff boasts in a recent news release. One way he's measured their success is their effectiveness in helping catch shoplifters running out of the malls.

"Qualified Armed Possemen," the sheriff's office web sites says, must be 21 and take 101 hours of advanced training classes, which includes 60 hours of firearm training, following basic posse training. They can wear the uniform and a gun, but aren't sworn officers. They have to submit to drug testing.

Arpaio claims the posse costs taxpayers nothing. Then again, he claimed his investigation into President Obama's birthplace would cost taxpayers nothing, and that wasn't true.

On the plus side, the mere presence of a uniformed, armed guard at a school could prevent another massacre. But since massacres are exceedingly rare, we wonder what these volunteers would really be doing with their time, and whether Hispanic students would be safe from the discrimination alleged by the federal government.

Here is your morning poll:



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sunshineinaz
sunshineinaz

We do not need armed guards or armed teachers at our schools. We need to teach all students Emergency Preparedness similar to Fire Drills. Teach students to get themselves to safety and stay calm.

Critical
Critical

Chicago reaches 500 homicides

CHICAGO — Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy says the city has logged its 500th homicide of the year.

McCarthy issued a statement Friday calling the milestone a “tragic
number that is reflective of the gang violence and proliferation of
illegal guns that have plagued some of our neighborhoods.”

The police department went back and forth Friday, first verifying the
500th killing, then backing off and saying an earlier death was still
being investigated.

By late Friday, police confirmed 40-year-old Nathaniel Jackson had
become the 500th homicide victim when he was fatally shot in the head
outside a convenience store on the city’s West Side.

The last time Chicago reached the 500-homicide mark was in 2008, when
the year ended with 512 killings. Last year, city records show Chicago
had 435 homicides.
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Gun laws in Illinois regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition in the state of Illinois in the United States.

Illinois does not issue licenses for the concealed carry of firearms, nor does it recognize licenses issued by other states. Illinois is the only state that does not allow concealed carry in some form. Open carry is also prohibited in most areas. When a firearm is being transported, it must be unloaded and enclosed in a case. On December 11, 2012, these blanket restrictions were struck down as unconstitutional by a federal appeals court, which gave the state 180 days to change its laws or appeal the decision.

To legally possess firearms or ammunition, Illinois residents must have a FOID card, issued by the state police. Non-residents who may legally possess firearms in their home state are exempt from this requirement. There is a waiting period to take possession after purchasing a firearm — 72 hours for a handgun, or 24 hours for a rifle or shotgun. Private sales are allowed, and are subject to these same requirements. Possession of automatic firearms, short-barreled shotguns, or short-barreled rifles is prohibited.

Illinois does not have state preemption for gun laws, and some local governments have enacted ordinances that are more restrictive than those of the state.

Illinois does not have state preemption of firearm laws, and some local governments have passed laws that are more restrictive than those of the state. Some municipalities, most notably Chicago, require that all firearms be registered with the local police department. Chicago also prohibits the sale of firearms within city limits. Cook County has banned the possession of certain semi-automatic firearms that it defines as assault weapons, as well as magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Separately, the city of Chicago has banned assault weapons and magazines that can hold more than 12 rounds. Other municipalities have also enacted various firearm restrictions.
Lack of preemption makes it difficult to travel throughout Illinois
with a firearm while being sure that no laws are being broken.

sarum
sarum

OK. . . try again U screwed up Voice Nation!  Reduced fee lunch kids and work for their lunch kids are not getting their full lunch everyday but they have already absorbed so much of the "school to prison pipeline" mentality that the only way you would know is if you notice them coming home ravenous.  So already they get screamed at and disciplined if they sneak normal filling lunch that full payers get - so if hungry Johnnie steals a sammy RU gonna sic a posse member on him?  If you can't even feed them how RU going to protect them?

comrade
comrade

One of the happy ones is gonna be jaffy,  just to think how many pink depends he is going to change everryday, since he loves to do that for the Old Fart.

DPSnAZ
DPSnAZ

This senile old effigy of a Sheriff has disgraced Law Enforcement far and wide. This is just another stunt he is trying to keep himself relevant, in his own "mind" !

comrade
comrade

This it'll be worse than seen Brewsky without make up in the middle of the night, no doubt that somethin very bad would happen, since most of these posse members are criminals, with few trainning or not at all, they are going to make a massacre or worst, framing some hispanic , saying that he was carrying weapons,-you know, the HamSandwich maneuver- and that he was about to start to shoot, therefore kiling him, giving them reason to even kill some students.

PissOnArpaio
PissOnArpaio

Great, the Reno 911 MCSO Posse Gang that can't shoot straight.

Can't wait until they start shooting each other.

Albert Wayne
Albert Wayne

Can't wait until one of these clowns accidentally discharges their gun!

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

around 5/12 of this year channel 5 on 5 investigates, they uncovered many criminal histories within the MCSO posse members, including sex crimes and crimes against children. and these are the people Joe wants to assign to protecting the children?????? no wonder the El Mirage sex crimes were not investigated....they were recruiting them as posse members

Avery Marx
Avery Marx

smartest response in the nation so far. we dont need armed teachers or a ban on guns, we need prevention. foolz shouldnt be able to get onto a school campus freely in the first place. this is prevention.

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

On TV last night the old mush mouth said he was going to put posse members "in the area" of schools. It seems he changed his tune after word about his plan got out. I can only imagine some folks in the school systems in Maricopa County must have shared their opinions about his plan. It might be nice if the geriatric goon would simply have offered to help... instead of issuing a dictate that he was sending posse members in to 'protect' the schools.

The MCSO shurf never misses a chance to show what a dunderhead he really is.

The MCSO sheriff is mentally ill, in my opinion.

Nancy James
Nancy James

what does he mean by "armed posse members'? Does anyone still use the word "posse"? A "posse" is like a lynch mob from the old west. Catch 'em and hang 'em.....

Don Becker
Don Becker

Don't arm anyone working in schools, it would take the place of all the nutjobs with guns that stroll in now...

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

i guess the only thing that would be beneficial to having Joe's posse in the schools is, it would be a hell of a lot easier for the teachers to explain the nazi's to the kids with a few floating around the campus

Sara Elizabeth Glickman
Sara Elizabeth Glickman

I think I never even want children if this is the world they are going to be exposed and indoctrinated into.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

reasons not to want Joe to have the MCSO posse guarding the schools

1) any kids who are on Ritalin will be considered non-compliant and combative and probably be tased into brain death like Marty Atencio

2) any kids with medical needs will be deprived of it and left to die like Deborah Braillard

3) any kids eating peanut butter sandwiches might not make it like Raymond Farinas

4) if a pedophile or rapist shows up, the kids are left unprotected like all the victims in El Mirage were

there are many more reasons, but this should be more than any sane person would need

Marisa Getz
Marisa Getz

I am still trying to figure out how we all can hate his ideas, yet he is still in office...I don't get it!

Debbie Kenyon
Debbie Kenyon

Post out-of-work Vets at the schools and pay them!!!!!!!!!!!

Critical
Critical

we petition the obama administration to:
Try Senator Dianne Feinstein in a Federal Court For Treason To The Constitution
The Constitution was written to restrain the government. No
amendment is more important for this purpose than the 2nd amendment. The
2nd amendment was written so the power could be kept with the citizenry
in the face of a tyrannical government. It was well understood the
Constitution acknowledged certain rights that could not be limited by
government.Senator Dianne Feinstein has made it clear she does
not believe in the Constitution or the inalienable rights of Americans
to keep and bear arms. She is actively working to destroy the 2nd
amendment with her 2013 assault weapons ban. For this reason we the
people of the united States petition for her to be tried in Federal
Court for treason to the Constitution.An outline of her bill may be found here:http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/try-senator-dianne-feinstein-federal-court-treason-constitution/TVq4dXPg

Critical
Critical

we petition the Obama administration to:
Ban Dianne Feinstein.
United States Senator Dianne Feinstein has proven today, as she
has in the past, that she has absolutely no intention of keeping her
oath of office to defend the U.S. Constitution, and specifically, the
2nd Amendment. She has call for banning, registering, and confiscating
millions of firearms used my law abiding Americans every day. We
therefore demand that Dianne Feinstein be immediately banned from the
United States Senate and that she be prohibited from ever again holding
public office in the United States of America.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ban-dianne-feinstein/ghStFHDm


Critical
Critical

we petition the obama administration to:
Eliminate armed guards for the President, Vice-President, and their families, and establish Gun Free Zones around them
Gun Free Zones are supposed to protect our children, and some
politicians wish to strip us of our right to keep and bear arms. Those
same politicians and their families are currently under the protection
of armed Secret Service agents. If Gun Free Zones are sufficient
protection for our children, then Gun Free Zones should be good enough
for politicians.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-armed-guards-president-vice-president-and-their-families-and-establish-gun-free-zones/6RDGkxLK

MeMo Ortega
MeMo Ortega

ese pedaso de mierda solo quiere publisidad, i los pendejos de la Media se lo estan dando... que se pudra en un hojo ese hijo de P...

irishclimb
irishclimb

@phoenixnewtimes As if our schools didn't already look like jails...

Easkey Stewart
Easkey Stewart

If I had a child at school, I would remove them!

philmckrackin
philmckrackin

I've heard nothing about the fact of columbine where armed officers were there on site and yet those boys did kill many and were only stopped when reloading! Cops didn't stop them, the capacity of there ammo clips did!

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

arent these the same people he wants to give assault rifles to? so essentially Joe wants to make sure there are unstable criminals with assault rifles in the school endangering the kids in order to keep unstable criminals with assault rifles from endangering the kids????   is that considered a conundrum or a self-perpetuating problem?

Stephen Grange
Stephen Grange

Anyone remember how Joe was not going to rest until hookers were extinct in Pxh? or how he was gonna clean up all the drunks? This will pass as soon as the liability suits start to hit or they stop getting write ups in the media...Waste of time.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@Albert Wayne Thir best chance in hitting anything would bee their own foot.  That's the MCSO Prune Posse!

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Avery Marx prevention? dude, these arent even LEO's, they are mostly ex felons and old timers...

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@Avery Marx A Clown that himself can't carry a gun wants clowns that can't see straight to walk outside a school?

That's "SMART" to you?  AZ Schools, or just a moron?

royalphoenix
royalphoenix

I think he has a mental issue as well. He seems to stare off for a brief period of time when being interviewed. Probably taking some kind of dementia medication. peace

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@Tommy_Collins They should just put up a picture of Lisa Allen kissing Dave Hendershott at each school.  That will scare away EVERYONE that isn't required to be there!


(or make Joel Fox kissing Larry Black..  that would work too!)

bob_lablaw96
bob_lablaw96

@Tommy_Collins Joe never passes up a chance to have a press conference...unless it involves evidence of his retardation.

I am sure that most of his deputies are just trying to stay employed, even if it is for the biggest setback to law enforcement in recent times.  Joe has got to go.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Marisa Getz cause morons vote for him simply because of immigration, and ignore the ineptitude, malfeasance, and incompetence under his leadership...

WhoKnows
WhoKnows topcommenter

@Debbie Kenyon So, PTSD folks with guns around your kids???  How them Cards doing this season?  You seem to be lost in general!

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Critical lol when bush and cheney are tried for war crimes, we can talk...

comrade
comrade

Critical, in February 2013, there is going to be introduced an Amendment to the 2nd Amendment,rephraising the wording in it, saying: Citizens have the right to keep and bear arms,  once they are deemed mentally fit and after completing 150 hours of weapons trainning, tactical trainning, taking medication for paranoia and surrender any assault weapons they own. 

MandyMountain
MandyMountain

@Critical Wasn't one damned post enough? More than enough? How about a stiff dose of STFU, asshole?

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Critical seek therapy...LOTS of it...and please do so in another state...we've already had one JT ready...

Critical
Critical

Likely spurred by a Breitbart report
published earlier this week pointing out that the president’s daughters
attend Sidwell Friends School in Washington D.C. – a school that has no
less than 11 armed security guards at all times – the petition is
quickly garnering the signatures needed to necessitate a response from
the Obama administration, standing, as of publishing, at a hefty 6,382
signatures within just five days of posting.
“And this is the reason people like NBC’s David Gregory send their
kids to Sidwell,” Awr Harkins of Breitbart wrote, adding, “they know
their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a
school where armed guards weren’t used (and weren’t even allowed).” Gregory himself is now the subject of a police investigation after flashing a 30-round gun magazine during last Sunday’s Meet the Press.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

@WhoKnows @Tommy_Collins   brewer!!  big blown up picture of a face shot of brewer!!!...............nah, then the kids would have nightmares

Critical
Critical

@bob_lablaw96 There is nothing imaginary about it. Let me break it down for all of you low IQ slaves of your government.  We need to rid the US of those that want the rights and liberties granted to law abiding US citizens, if they aren't going to follow their oaths of defending the Constitution and Bill of Rights.  Understand that scum?  You are not liberals, you are slaves to collectivists.

david_saint01
david_saint01 topcommenter

@Critical lmao where do you get this shit from, faux and dipshits, i  mean friends?

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