Was Larry Dever a Drinker? Deceased Sheriff's .29 BAC Suggests High Tolerance, Experts Say

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Larry Dever's BAC was .29 after his fatal crash. Experts say the high BAC could indicate he was a problem drinker.

The high blood-alcohol content found in Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever's body after his fatal crash last month suggests the sheriff had a strong tolerance for booze, experts say.

In other words, Dever -- known by many as a Mormon who didn't drink -- may have been a problem drinker.

If so, did his fellow law enforcement officers know?

Dever died on September 18 in the one-car crash on Forest Service Road 109 near Williams. He'd been on his way to a hunting trip near White Horse Lake with family members. Autopsy results released last week showed that Dever had at least a .29 BAC.

-See also: Speed a Possible Factor in Sheriff Dever's Crash; Beer Found at Crash Site, But No Indication Dever had Been Drinking

See also: Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever's Memorial Service Held in Sierra Vista

Arizona, which has one of the toughest DUI laws in the nation, classifies anything above a .20 BAC as super-extreme. Had Dever been convicted of driving with a .29 BAC, he would have served a minimum of 45 days behind bars.

An alcohol-abuse expert and a local driving expert tell New Times that in DUI cases with similarly high BACs, the suspect often is an alcoholic.

"A .29 is very significantly impaired," says the program director at one Valley substance-abuse clinic. "You're talking about extreme intoxication. However, someone who drinks regularly can sometimes drive at levels where other people would be comatose. At the least, it's indicative of binge drinking."

The driving expert, who knew Dever, agreed with that sentiment. But the expert and others who knew Dever expressed shock that he was driving drunk at all.

Kenneth Kimmel, chief of police in Sierra Vista, the largest city in Cochise County, says he'd known Dever for 30 years and "never known him to have a drink."

If Dever was a drinker, did his department cover for him?

Rod Rothrock, acting sheriff of Cochise County, did not return messages for this article.

A message left with Dever's family hasn't yet been returned.

If Dever wasn't a regular drinker, that makes his lapse in judgment on September 18 even less explainable. Achieving a .29 BAC might take as many as 15 drinks slammed over a fairly short space of time, says another expert. As someone who's handed out many DUI tickets in his career, Dever would have known the danger of consuming that much booze. On top of that, Dever didn't have his seat-belt on and was driving at an excessive 62 miles per hour on a dirt road at sunset.

"Gosh, that's really shocking," says one acquaintance of Dever's, retired Cochise County Judge Rich Winkler, upon hearing Dever's high BAC. "That's very out of character of the image I had of him."

Sheriff Bill Pribil of Coconino County, where the accident occurred, says he saw Dever at official functions three to four times a year and never saw him drink. A check of Coconino's database shows that Dever never was stopped in the county, Pribil says.

In this case -- as with similar, one-vehicle crashes with a deceased DUI suspect and no other victims -- investigators won't bother to determine how and where the driver became drunk, Pribil says. Coconino County has received no reports from anyone who claims to have seen Dever's truck weaving or seen Dever drinking before the crash, he says.

Kelley Dupps of MADD Arizona says people in her organization hope this tragedy keeps others from getting on the road while plastered. But it's also a sign that after three decades of activism against drunk drivers, and after helping Arizona pass harsh laws against offenders, the group still has plenty of work to do.

Dever's death is another reminder that drinking too much and getting behind the wheel can happen to anyone -- "even folks we look up to and are prominent in law enforcement."

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A Boston University guide for students shows that a .29 BAC, as Dever had, causes "severe impairment."


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americanreal
americanreal

And another of the dick-ator's enemies bites the dust. RIP, along with Breitbart, Breitbart's coronoer, obummer's granny, his half-sister, his 3 gay lovers from Trinity Church, Richard Holbrook Ambassador...wow! Too many to mention!

Decent_American
Decent_American

He's a white, Mormon Sheriff. The coroner is lying. a drunk Mormon is like saying the fine people of Arizona would elect a homo for sheriff. Can't happen. I wonder why his magic underwear didn't save him. 

royalphoenix
royalphoenix

This tard should not get one dime of state or county death benefits. Nothing.

Judges Bailiff
Judges Bailiff

MADD would agree, don't drink & drive - on pavement or offroad

DDAWG
DDAWG

Anyone who drives with a BAC 3 times the legal limit has driven hundreds of times drunk prior to being caught and in this pathetic case died. Absolutely law enforcement in his office and even his family/friends at the lake knew he was a drunk and alcoholic. How do you drive up north to the lake drunk and hide it from everyone at the lake/party?

ibcingutoo
ibcingutoo

Not surprised to find that a (supposedly) upstanding "religious" pillar of the community is a closet drinker (or anything else, for that matter).  What a total  hypocracy that this guy was a law enforcement officer, let alone a SHERIFF.

Jesse Adams
Jesse Adams

hmmm, no, I don't think that a guy who had a .29 BAC was a drinker at all. Idiots.

Connie Harrington
Connie Harrington

DUH....ya think ? May have been ? He was 3x the limit....nough said.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

Whaaaaaaaaaat???!!! A religious hypocrite? Well that's a first for sure...

xxxfacebook75
xxxfacebook75

Cops protect their own.  Many cops drink.  They just are not caught.  

WhoKnows
WhoKnows

What a good Mormon!   But never take him fishing alone...  He'd drink it all!

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

"Lets see, ray has reported that Sheriff Dever was speeding, not wearing his seat belt and had beer in his possession at the time he was killed (all in separate articles).  This is the most detailed reporting this rag has had.  Great reporting Ray!  What's your conclusion?  He deserved to die for committing two civil traffic violations with a legal possession of alcohol as a kicker?

 

pathetic"

 

My apologies, Mr. Stern.  I was wrong, you were right.  I am sorry.

 

badgeman
badgeman

Sarum, you really believe that mess!  The man was reckless.  To have driven a county vehicle in his condition, placed the citizens of Cochise in great liability.  This was not Dever's first time.  Dever, like Horne.. and Dever's sidekick, Babeu, think they are above the law. 

 

Just last night I saw Horne in his gold jag, accompanied by a ugly blonde.  Turns out the blonde was Babeu dressed in drag. Both explained they were conducting surveillance on the FBI. 

 

I feel sorry for the Dever family, not the Sheriff. 

 

 

SeedyWard
SeedyWard

Dever's death is another reminder that drinking too much and getting behind the wheel can happen to anyone -- "even folks we look up to and are prominent in law enforcement."

 

Maybe that should read,  "especially folks prominent in law enforcement."? Face it: in law enforcement hypocrisy routinely runs amok.

sarum
sarum

I know people who are totally immune to alchohol. They never get drunk or impaired but still like to drink socially and find beer to be a thirst quencher as others do soda pop. High tolerance could mean that Sheriff Dever was one of those that has no reaction to alchohol and could put the Boston Brakes theory back in play. We will probably never know. So at this point I am finding the concentration on this issue offensive and indicative of another agenda. Let him and his family rest.

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @xxxfacebook75 Drinking isn't against the law, so the statement that many cops drink is, well, of no consequence. 

 

Cops do protect their own; from unfounded, unreasonable accusations.  Obviously there was no coverup in this particular investigation as it's all over the news. Your accusations fly in the face of reasonableness under a story that is obviously very negative in nature regarding a law enforcement official. 

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

 @WhoKnowsIf you 'take' him fishing, he wouldn't be alone, right? :-) Kinda like all the 'survivor' shows where the actor is supposedly 'alone' yet someone else is operating a video camera. JK, of course...

 

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @WhoKnows Ahh yes!  The last form of acceptable bigotry manifests itself in your post!  Your mom must be proud of your tolerance and acceptance of all things agreeable to you!

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

 @youproductsucksI think this is the first time I've ever heard of or seen someone representing MCSO actually (1) admit a failure and/or (2) apologize for such. Nicely done. Thank you.

raystern
raystern

 @youproductsucks No need to apologize, yps -- you keep me on my toes, and I appreciate that. On this one, I'd have been just fine with being "wrong..."

RobAZ
RobAZ

 @youproductsucks I'm always amused by those who post here and refer to NT as a "rag".

 

If it's so bad and such a waste of your time....

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

 @badgeman

 Blonde? Seriously? He normally wears an afro wig from days gone by, hoping people think he's a 'brother'. You know, like Jesse Jackson's younger twin brother.

 

sarum
sarum

@badgeman No I don't believe anything any more. I don't know why I bother cuz I'll probably never know but this intent to tarnish Dever is starting to look suspicious - all these articles. Leave his family alone. He is dead. I don't think he was a saint and don't have any stake in salvaging his reputation - just this constant harping on it by NT is strange.

americanreal
americanreal

 @SeedyWard Dever's death is another reminder that being an enemy of the dicktator will get you killed.

marcy
marcy

 @sarum There are no persons who are "totally immune to alcohol".  You are part of the problem with your belief that people can drink heavily and drive safely.

 

There is a long history of research over the past eighty years examining motor and performance-related behaviors during acute intoxication as well as in non-intoxicated states in persons of various drinking behaviors, from abstainers to moderate drinkers to alcoholics (e.g., Hollingsworth 1923, 1924; Goldberg, 1943; Ekman et al., 1964; Mitchell 1985; and Dengerink et al., 1978). These studies have shown that the heaviest and most experienced drinkers often demonstrate behavioral tolerance or lesser impairment to alcohol than lighter drinkers or very infrequent drinkers. These findings are consistent across many studies on measures of sensory perception, memory tasks, psychomotor tasks, and steadiness of gait or body sway. Subjective responses after drinking may also differ in very heavy drinkers compared to novice or light drinkers, with the former group anticipating less intoxication and underestimating post-drinking intoxication levels relative to the latter group (Gabrielli et al., 1991). However, on other responses, such as divided attention skills, very heavy drinkers are not more tolerant to alcohol's impairing effects compared to novice drinkers (see Mitchell, 1985).

 

 

dogbiter
dogbiter

You sound like you flunked chemistry. What you say is impossible, numbnuts.

Decent_American
Decent_American

 @youproductsucks  @xxxfacebook75 You are one dumb fuck. He was a serial drunk driver. NOBODY would dare arrest the darling of the tea bagger taliban. Their career would be OVER if one of them slapped the cuffs on Larry the Lush. FUCK Now they are going to name every county building, road and bridge after this asshat.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

Hey there UPS, what do you say to the fact that police have higher rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, and divorce that the general population?

     Nice to know that people who have psychological deficits are allowed to carry weapons and, at least in Arizona, use them at will with no fear of repercussion.

RobAZ
RobAZ

I guess that makes all the officers I've spoken to who've told me "we take care of our own" liars.

And that would be an awful lot of liars.

marcy
marcy

 @youproductsucks  @xxxfacebook75 They aren't going to cover up a death, they'll absolutely cover up pulling over a drunk Sheriff and in Cochise County they wouldn't have pulled him over at all.

 

 

marcy
marcy

 @youproductsucks  @WhoKnows It's bigotry to call someone a good Mormon?  Or it isn't noteworthy to note that a good Mormon, which is a faith that doesn't permit drinking booze, is a drunk?

 

Or are you referring to some sort of bigotry towards fishermen?

 

Or are you just drunk again?

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @Tommy_Collins You have a short memory then.

 1) This isn't the first time I've admitted being wrong on these threads.

 2) I don't represent MCSO.

 3) The MCSO is full of professional, hard working individuals who have unblemished integrity and strive to what is right in everything they do.

 

You can keep your backhanded accolades for those who are eager to please and be agreeable with you.

sarum
sarum

Sheriff Dever was a whistleblower - was he destroyed by his own hand is important question to be answered but harping repeatedly that he was drinking and with everything corrupted as it is you cannot trust autopsy or anyone in position of power - the intent is obviously to destroy his reputation as well as his message and any good that he did. Most people are mixed good and bad and that is the human condition. Follow the money trail as to who benefits financially from destroying Dever's message. Start here: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/opinion/sunday/kristof-financers-and-sex-trafficking.html?_r=0

sarum
sarum

@Tommy_Collins @sarum No. I can't handle alchohol at all!

sarum
sarum

@marcy I am married to someone who is immune to alchohol and can drink ANYBODY under the table with absolutely no adverse affects at all whatsoever so you can say what you like - I KNOW better. Well I have to say past tense cuz these days he's pretty old & sick. But there's plenty of people who can vouch for this capacity of his when he was younger. Didn't have to drink no oil neither! He was ALWAYS the designated driver.

sarum
sarum

@dogbiter These "hard sciences" that you are so addicted to are merely an attempt to understand the world around us. I guess this phenomenon that I have been married to for decades has not come onto their investigatory radar yet. (It's so important.) Meanwhile the hostility indicates the lower IQ feels threatened by truths outside their experience which means that your intent is not to contribute meaningfully - more likely to vent and find victims for your anger since most likely your life off this forum is seriously lacking fulfillment.

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @shadeaux14 I'm curious, is it normal for one who has worked in the psych field (even if it is cleaning bedpans) to blame the illness on the victim?  It appears your stance is not what industry standard would condone.

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @shadeaux14 I'd say there is a significant need for some type of change to occur to curb these trends.  

 

 Obviously there is a need to take better care of our law enforcement community and aid them in combatting such pitfalls, rather than making disparaging comments.  The trend in taking care of our Armed Forces has taken positive steps in the right direction.  how long will it take for our community to embrace their law enforcement officers in the same way?

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @marcy  The news is filled with stories of law enforcement officers being arrested for DUI.  How does that fit into your little box of ignorance?

youproductsucks
youproductsucks

 @marcy  @WhoKnows Let's see, "What a good MEXICAN!  But never take him fishing alone...  He'd drink it all!"

 

Yep. It sounds racist to me. 

sarum
sarum

@mikefrombisbee Yup. Got to play along to hold any position for any length of time. That's the way it is in almost any job. That way there's always plenty of shit to throw in case someone breaks lock step with the status quo.

mikefrombisbee
mikefrombisbee

 @sarum A whistle blower? Hardly. Larry Dever was a right wing extremist who was publicly affable. He lied about the CCSO's racism in the Miracle Valley incident and was part of an on-going effort to whitewash the past. He was a proud member of Jimmy Judd's machine, and was a key member of an administration that built a jail without rebar in its externals walls, a jail so incompetently or corruptly built that inmates could overpower a guard, take his keys and open the door to freedom -and then murder a nearby resident.

Dever was a one-trick pony, beating the border drum incessantly. He pandered to the Minutemen using the Miracle Valley Bible College as their base of operations, and took no action against  the Glenn Spencer-incited crazies who made death threats against the Cochise County Planning and Zoning Department for insisting that the pentecostal pastor Harter provide enough onsite porta potties to accommodate their body waste. He proudly then attended a Tea Bagger rally at Spencer's "festung" near Hereford. Spencer, it should be noted, is a twice-convicted nativist fanatic who spews some of the most vile and fantastical nonsense about Mexico and the Mexican culture that has yet been uttered.

It's pretty obvious that your "whistle blower,"  a pillar in the St. David community, had a closet drinking problem. He had a problem with telling the truth.

Bnbk
Bnbk

 @sarum

 PULEEZE, get a clue....and a life.

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