Phoenix City Council Creates Code Exemption for Handing Out Water, Which Still Has Nothing to Do With Religion

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Christian persecution: not the reason the City of Phoenix is allowing people to hand out water.
After a woman complained that the City of Phoenix was trampling on her religious rights by not letting her hand out free water without a permit, the city council has decided to create an exemption for water.

Dana Crow-Smith complained after she, along with some of her Christian friends, gathered at one of the First Friday events downtown to "publicly express her Christian faith and engage willing passers-by in conversations about their religious beliefs," which included handing out free bottles of water.

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Crow-Smith brought along a cooler full of water bottles, and was following the Good Book's advice found in Matthew 10:42: "And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward."

But a Phoenix "Neighborhood Preservation Inspector" showed up, and told Crow-Smith that she needed a permit to give away water. City officials told New Times that in addition to that, Crow-Smith was distributing religious materials and the water from private property on the corner of 1st Street and Roosevelt, which was not her private property -- a fact that was left out of Crow-Smith's version of events.

However, Crow-Smith claimed that she was being persecuted for her religious beliefs, although the city very much denied that.

Indeed, by all accounts we've seen, council members and the mayor thought the ordinance was a little goofy because, you know, Phoenix is as hot as Hades.

Religious persecution really wasn't the issue, although Crow-Smith and her backers at the Rutherford Institute sure made it sound like it was. The Rutherford Institute's also the organization that was helping "pastor" Michael Salman with his legal trouble -- for alleged religious persecution regarding his backyard church -- although the ex-con Salman moved on to felony charges for alleged AHCCCS fraud.

As far as Phoenix's vending/water ordinance is concerned, though, Crow-Smith wasn't actually cited that night; she was informed of the code, and the city said she agreed to stop handing out water. City staff also had to remind Crow-Smith of the ordinance later that night after finding her on private property again, and giving out water, again, city officials said.

Still, as long as she's hanging out on the sidewalk, she's good to go without the pricy permit.

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Flyer9753 topcommenter

I swear, lately it seems like if you even look at a religious person cross eyed and you get accused of messing with their religion.  


While I Agree with the city making this exemption, why is it that simply because you (speaking to a religious person) are 'religious' you supposedly have the right to do whatever you want, including breaking the law and then lying about it when you tell the story, as she did here - good religious people aren't supposed to be lying - although I am sure in her mind God told her it was ok to trespass since she wasn't 'harming' anything - amazing how easy it is to rationalize things when you have an imaginary friend agreeing with you


Personally as an agnostic who does not follow an organized religion I am getting sick of it. It's like Christians/Catholics feel they don't have to follow the laws of society they don't want to because 'their' law from god says it's ok.


Now I have read the bible, I know it does not say that and I know a lot of religious people are not this way, but a LOT are and it's a thought process I see all the time of religious people.  


I am a religious person who just does not follow a structured religion/faith - I have my own beliefs and they are mine, I learned a long time ago that I don't need a church or religion to talk to god.  


Having said that, yes I do think that my relationship with god is better than anyone elses, since it is mine, this is something everyone does, in their own eyes their choice of religion/faith is the correct and superior one otherwise why would you choose it? So it's understandable that everyone feels some 'superiority' in their choice of religion, but that is a personal feeling of superiority, not a real one.  


However I am not always going around saying 'Thank God" this, that and everything that happens in my life and yours, thus reminding all those around me of my thoughts of arrogant superiority and removing the praise that people should get for their own accomplishments.  


I also don't continuously get in peoples faces pushing my religious choice, telling people who are not catholic that they need to 'find jesus' or telling them that I will 'pray for them since they made a bad religious choice' - that last one being a very common statement amongst many Catholics to religions other than their own that is also EXTREMELY dis-respectful and antagonistic towards the person they are saying it too.  


My point with this post is to say, GET OVER YOURSELF.  


Just because you believe your fantasy man in the sky is superior to everyone elses, does not make it so, nor does it give you the right to change societies rules to suit your needs on a whim because you follow some supposedly 'higher' law - that only exists in your head  


Enjoy your faith and religion, but to be blunt - KEEP IT TO THYSELF and within the bounds of society - don't like the bounds (laws) of society, change them but until you do quit trying to say you are above them because you believe in fantasy man A instead of fantasy man B  


(sorry all for the long post)


Why doesn't she hand out water on the sidewalk? Is that so hard to do?


 @Flyer9753 Actually, YOUR opinion is the one which is outside "the bounds of society" which incorporates more than just "laws" - despite your myopic view.


The 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees freedom of religion (i.e. "enjoying your faith") and freedom of speech (i.e. "not keeping to thyself").


And 92 percent of Americans identify with a religious denomination (according to research by the Pew Forum), and between 76 to 80% of Americans identify themselves as "Christians" (according to the CIA Factbook).


That means that the overwhelming mass of people in this country believe in some kind of "fantasy man" or other higher power and have the absolute inviolate right to tell people about it.


You also have the choice to "not listen", however, but fuck you for thinking that you have the right to tell someone that they have no right to tell people about their faith.

Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @bdickus2001 Hey asshole, I did not tell anyone they have no right or don't have a right to tell people about there faith.


You just can't BREAK THE LAW TO DO IT


And if that is a foreign concept to your small mind, then you have just proven my entire post to be correct.


You do NOT have an inviolate right to tell anyone ANYTHING. You can speak it but that is not an 'inviolate right' to do anything but flap your gums, same as anyone else but you CAN"T DO IT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY that is not yours. That is trespassing - come try it here, I'll be happy to arrest you and send you to jail for violating my inviolate right to my property.


CIA? Oh, Christians in Action. Almost as moronic as their published moniker.


Clearly I have hit a nerve with you and my comments


Good, truth usually does hurt, sorry it was clearly so painful for you

Flyer9753 topcommenter



Oh I know exactly who and what they are


Christians in Action, just what I said.


BTW - 92% of people used to KNOW the world was flat - they were WRONG too.

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