Joe Arpaio's "Birther" Chief Mike Zullo Strikes Back at Orly Taitz, Says He Doesn't Want "Circus Show" Involved

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Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his "birther" chief Mike Zullo are balking at their chance to talk about their super official "investigation" of President Obama's birth certificate in court, and Zullo tells New Times why -- Orly Taitz.

Taitz told us yesterday that she's very upset with Arpaio and Zullo, since she's tried to subpoena the two to appear as witnesses in a case she filed in an Indiana state court, since she believes they're working toward a common goal here on the "birther" issue.

See also:
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-Joe Arpaio Doesn't Want His Super Official "Birther" Probe Used in Presidential Debate
-Joe Arpaio's "Birther" Investigation Slammed by Ex-Sheriff's Posse Member
-Joe Arpaio Says Book Bashing His "Birther" Investigation is "All Wrong," Although He Didn't Quite Read it

Zullo says Taitz was one of the first people the Cold Case Posse contacted when Arpaio gave the go-ahead to start looking at Obama's birth certificate and other documents, and adds that it "wasn't a favorable contact."

"We don't want our information tainted by a circus show," Zullo says.

Taitz hasn't exactly been successful in her multiple court challenges to Obama's eligibility, and Zullo noted Taitz's propensity to make procedural errors in her cases.

Zullo says he and Arpaio "don't want the integrity of our investigation pulled through this," which sent the readings on our irony meter off the chart.

We assume Zullo doesn't read New Times often (ahem: Joe Arpaio's "Birther" Chief Gets Cops Called on Him During His Pursuit of 95-Year-Old Woman in a Nursing Home), or maybe he's just a nice guy who made the effort to ring us back and explain the squabble with Taitz, and the latest dealings on the "investigation." Or, he never really quit his job as a used-car salesman.

"Regardless of what 'Dr. Conspiracy' says, we know we've got something here," Zullo says, referencing the man who's been following/debunking "birther" theories for quite some time.

He gave us the pitch again -- "We really do have it," he says.

So, why not head to court with it? Zullo explained they aren't interested in court -- they want a congressional investigation. I also want access to Bill Gates' bank accounts, so that doesn't really count for an excuse.

It seems to be more about the inter-birther battle between team Taitz and team Corsi/Zullo/Arpaio, but we were more impressed that Zullo gave us the sales pitch.

On that note, Zullo left us with a challenge: if anyone can go to MCSO's Cold Case Posse headquarters and show everyone there that the birth certificate's completely legitimate, Zullo says he has "no problem" going on TV to declare the case closed.

If not, maybe he'll take some off the sticker price.




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wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

"I like this place and willingly could waste my time in it"

 

(As You Like It, Act II, Scene IV)

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

I like Arpaio but Sherrif Joe could at least answer a subpoena- or let Zullo answer it-because  infighting  can be destructive- to the overall cause-

 

it is better to have (LOVED) Chalenged Obama's FRAUD and lost than to never have (LOVED) challenged Obama's FRAUD at all-

e.vattel
e.vattel

Several noted why send readers to Henry V to read were all thy children kind and natural and its meaning.

 

This is my reasoning:

 

 "like John Adams, Jefferson usually treated Shakespeare’s plays as something to be read. In one letter, he (Jefferson) recommended Shakespeare for reading in the evening, explaining that

 

“Shakespeare must be singled out by one who wishes to learn the full powers of the English language." 

 

http://www.shakespeareinamericanlife.org/identity/politicians/presidents/pick/jefferson.cfm

e.vattel
e.vattel

Un-Kind or un-natural means you are from a different kind, race or tribe. A natural born citizen is born into the same race or  tribe..

 

The 14th Amendment never mentions natural born citizens. Wong Kim Ark was determined to be a citizen because he was born in the US to parents who were permanent residents. 

 

Theres a big difference between born a citizen and natural born citizen.

wanumba
wanumba

Christ...who is crazier?  Alzheimer's Arpaio or Oily Tights.

 

KOOKFEST!!!

Anne
Anne

I'm sticking with Sheriff Airpaio. He obviously has a plan and I don't think he should be forced into disclosing it because of one irate contributor.....give the man back his money and tell him to stop whining and stop trying to control the show.

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

give Orly Taitz a chance- she is doing what alotta government officials should be doing against this incredible FRAUD against America- officials like Bennet have been bought & paid for and the diehard DEMOCRATs dont care that Obama is a FRAUD-because party loyalty trumps all- they have sold their souls to the devil- Orly doesnt have the best manerisms with people and should work on her people skills- she is getting frustrated because these law officials wich should be on her side are not answering the subpoenaes because of minor details in the subpoenae- These are not the actions of honorable men- becvause we should do what's right for America regardless if we like the person we have to deal with- sometimes law officials get exagerated opinions of themselves and feel that they should automatically get respect because of their office rather than earn it- they havent earned my respect by not answering a subpoena because of minor technicalicties- alotta people feel a deal was cut behind closed doors when Obama dropped the charges against Arpaio- I know Arpaio is a good man and so is Zullo and Sampson but they dropped the ball this time-

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

That's Zullo's problem: He "knows" that he has something, but he just can't explain how he knows it. Everything he's produced to date has been exposed as fallacy and fabrication. Maybe if he stopped doing his investigation on birther web sites, he might make more sense.

 

I'm still waiting for that "1961 vital statistics instruction manual" Zullo claimed to have at the last Press Conference.

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

I suppose someone needs to refer Mr. Zullo to the Secretary of State for Arizona, Ken Bennett. Ken Bennett, who is the determining authority for the STATE (which includes Maricopa County, by the way) has said that he is convinced that the birth certification from the State of Hawaii records is genuine and accurate and that President Obama is indeed a CITIZEN BY BIRTH of the United States of America, for which it stands, one nation, Under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All.

 

THAT, Mr. Zullo should be sufficient. But you will have to explain to the MCSO shurf before you go on TV to declare the case closed. OR, you could simply close it by 'exception' as MCSO does with most of it's cases.

 

Mush.

 

From the MCSO mush machine.

 

Like tons of manure at a feed lot.

WRawle
WRawle

 @ronaldblair837

 Then you must love to lose as the birthers have lost over 160 cases to date.

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @e.vattel

 "It goes much against my stomach. Hast any philosophy in thee, shepherd?"

WRawle
WRawle

 @e.vattel

 John Adams also said that a natural child was an illegitimate child.

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @e.vattel

 "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

 

(Hamlet, Act III, Scene II)

WRawle
WRawle

 @e.vattel

 Your knowledge of the Wong Kim Ark is as bad as your understanding of the term natural born.

 

Chief Justice Fuller in his dissenting opinion in the Wong Kim Ark case said that the decision would make Wong eligible to be President.

 

The US Government in it's appellant brief admitted that a ruling in Wongs favor would make him a natural born citizen.

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @e.vattel

 ""Do you think I am easier to be played on than a pipe?"

(Hamlet, Act III, Scene II)

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967

 @e.vattel A few points:

 

1) Shakespeare lived 500 years ago. A lot has happened in five centuries.

 

2) Shakespeare was British. The British do NOT define who qualifies as an American citizen or who is qualified to be the American president.

 

3) The 14th Amendment to the U.S Constitution as well as the U.S. Supreme Court ruling from 1898 automatically qualify anyone born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, to hold the title of American citizen. Hawaii, the last state admitted to the United States, was admitted on August 21, 1959, and President Obama was born on August 4, 1961.

 

4) Article II Section I of the U.S. Constitution lays out the qualifications for the Office of the President. The candidate must be at least 35 years old and a resident of the United States for 14 years.

 

Class dismissed.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @e.vattel 

 

Man no one gives a shit about your Shakespear references.

 

If YOU want to run YOUR life via Shakespear's definitions, go for it, but you don't make the laws in this country and those laws are the only thing that matters here.

 

Come back with a legal dictionary definition and you might have something, otherwise you are just wearing out your keyboard with nonsense.

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @wanumba

 "Though this be madness, yet there is method in 't."

 

(Hamlet, Act II, Scene II)

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

you would expect a man of law to answer a subpoena and not look for loopholes to get out of it- playing politics is running rampant-

MaskedMagician1967
MaskedMagician1967

 @Anne Here's Joe's plan: Continue to make an ass of himself at taxpayer expense all the while playing politics with issues like the bullshit birther conspiracies.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows

 @Anne When was the last time you experienced reality?  More than a decade I'd bet! (many about 20 years.  Back when Joke ran as a one-term Sheriff and hadn't illegally spent $100m or lost $50m in court cases)

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @ronaldblair837 

 

You did say one correct thing in your BS Rant

 

"These are not the actions of honorable men- because we should do what's right for America regardless if we like the person we have to deal with"

 

1000% right, so please explain to me why it was the republicans that:

 

- Stated on DAY 1, before even seeing what Obama would do, the republicans promised that their only job for the next 4 years was to make sure Obama is a 1 term president.

 

- Set a record for filibusters and filibuster threats - double any other time in history

 

- Why won't the Republicans work on a jobs bill? In the last 4 years they have not sent 1 jobs bill up - http://republicanjobcreation.com/index2.html - but they had no problem filibustering a democrat job bill that they originally agreed with, until the White House got behind it

 

- Why did the republicans filibuster a Veterans Jobs bill the democrats put up, that was already paid for, the same way republicans have paid for their bills and projects, yet the republicans filibuster a bill that is paid for and will give our returning vets help getting a job - over a procedural issue?

 

The only people who have to blame for the mess we are in right now is YOURSELF and your fellow REPUBLICANTS.

 

They caused this:

 

GWB came into office with a surplus and left is with $9T in debt

GWB deregulated the banking, housing and mortgage industries. Wow, they really self regulated themselves..... right into our bankruptcy

The REPUBLICANTS have been nothing but obstructionist and refusing to work together, instead they played BS Party politics so they could get the 'black' man out of the 'white' house.

 

Look in the mirror next time you want to go on a rant, your real target and the person truly reponsible for the mess we are in will be staring back at you.

WhoKnows
WhoKnows

 @ronaldblair837 What a babbling bit of bullshit from a clueless twit!  Move back to Iowa, if you even live in AZ, that is!

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @Tommy_Collins

 "The little foolery that wise men have makes a great show."

 

(As You Like It, Act I, Scene II)

e.vattel
e.vattel

 @Tommy_Collins The Constitutions states the President must be natural born, it does not state CITIZEN BY BIRTH.

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

when you are that rich you can buy anything- Obama is a FRAUD who has deceived America- diehard DEMOCRATs dont care because party loyalty iis more important than America-

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @e.vattel

 

(As You Like It, Act III, Scene II, by the way...) 

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

 @Flyer9753  I think that you are missing his point.  He is using Shakespeare to justify his racism and bigotry.  Period.  End of story.  Just like some use the bible to justify keeping the races separate, he is using Shakespeare to justify his racist belief that anyone who does not share the same skin color as Jefferson and Adam's cannot be of their kind and therefore can't be a natural born citizen.  He then uses that to justify his belief that Obama can't be President because he is black - and therefore not of the same "kind" as Jefferson, Adams and the others participants in the constitutional convention.  Just racist and bigot trying to cloak himself in psuedo-intellectualism and failing.

 

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @ronaldblair837 

 

Especially amongst REPUBLICANS, like those who set a record for filibusters

 

But of course you say nothing about that fact.

 

Hypocrite much are you?

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

spoken like a true DEMOCRAT who knows Obama is guilty as a FRAUD-

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

I am an independent who did NOT vote for Bush- Obama is a FRAUD who has deceived America- diehard DEMOCRATs dont care because party loyalty comes before America-

WRawle
WRawle

 @ronaldblair837

She disqualified herself when she said she lived to make amockery of Barack Obama in 2008.  She finally got her opportunity in 2011.

 

I'm sorry you don't understand MRC.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @ronaldblair837 

 

Your software department?

 

Reality Check - Your sitting on the crapper reading Mara Zebests book of fiction is not a "Software Department"

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

as much experience as you claim- you cant touch Mara Zebest- even at our software department everyone has agreed on FORGERY- Only the DEMOCRATIC suck ups who count the party loyalty to be more important than honesty or decency claim it's NOT a FORGERY-

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @ronaldblair837

 "You yourself are much condemn'd to have an itching palm."

 

(Julius Ceasar, Act IV, Scene III)

wherewasi
wherewasi topcommenter

 @ronaldblair837

 Well, then, I suggest you have someone let you out of the computer so that you can see the light of day.  You've turned into a Gollum being locked in there all these years.

WRawle
WRawle

 @ronaldblair837

 I noticed you didn't answer my question.

 

If you were bring investigated would you want the investigation run by someone who lived to make a mockery of you?

WRawle
WRawle

 @ronaldblair837

 You just showed your ignorance.

 

It is not OCR.  It is Mixed Raster Content (MRC) compression.  MRC is the a standard that treats complex documents (documents with text and images) and compressesses them in a optimal way. 

 

Professor de Queiroz helped develop the model for MRC.  Qoogle his name and you will find dozens of professional articles written by him on the subject of file compression.

 

He says that the layers, the halos are al  consistent with the pdf having under gone MRC compression.  And its not evidence of forgery.

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

I have been in computers since 1965 & the OCR excuse has been debunked years ago- Obama is a FRAUD- did you know he even has a slew of internet goons to smear anyone who challenges his in-eligibility to be president? (at taxpayer expense) Obama is a FRAUD-

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

the copy machine did it has been debunked along time ago- Obama is a FRAUD who has alotta rich people behind him- who can buy anything or anybody- (they think)

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

its- NOT a spin- Mara has conributed to hundreds of books- diehard DEMOCRATs spin the facts- but the fact is that Obama is a FRAUD who has deceived America-

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @WRawle  @ronaldblair837 

 

I know, I looked over all of that myself since I am a computer engineer that actually grew up with computers since the late 80's and worked on a lot of the scanning software.

 

The real experts are 100% correct, that the Adobe layers crap is just that, crap - all OCR software builds the image via layering as it screens out electronic noise and artifacts in the image it is processing.

 

Plus since Adobe was not the software used to make the scanned image and the subsequent PDF, it's like using an apple as comparison with an orange for making orange juice - just doesn't work.

 

And a non-computer person attempting to tell an expert like Queiroz or Tremblay is ludicrous at best - it's like a cab driver saying a surgeon is wrong about a surgical procedure

 

What rally amazes me is how these birther idiots keep buying into this - as far as I am concerned it's simply cloaked racism since they refuse to listen to facts or anyone who disagrees with them.

 

They simply want the 'black' man out of the 'white' house.

WRawle
WRawle

 @Flyer9753  @ronaldblair837

 A real life computer expert has reviewed the whitehouse pdf and says he sees nothing out of the ordinary about it.

 

His name is Richardo de Queiroz and his credentials are impeccable and include:

 

Xerox Corporation (1994-2002) Digital Imaging Technology Center, Webster, NY, USA.

Member of the Research Staff. Duties include research in new digital image processing and compression systems for color printing systems.

 

He contradicts one of Zebest's main points that the layers in the pdf are the result of forgery.  He says they are the results of the computer software used to compress the original scanned image to the size of the pdf.

 

Google "Genuine, World-Class Computer Expert Evaluates Obama's Birth Certificate PDF" to find the original article at obamabirthbook.com

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @WRawle  @ronaldblair837 

 

I love # 503

 

"I am a contributing author and Technical Editor (mostly the latter) for many books that instruct on how to use Adobe programs and Microsoft Office programs"

 

Translation - Has ZERO certification from Adobe and as a "Technical Editor" they review OTHERS writings, the actual Software writers, for spelling, grammatical, style and language errors

 

ROFL!! Yeah, Mara Zebest is a _real_ expert.... LOL

 

Thanks for the links WR :)

 

Can't wait to see how Ronald trys to spin things next :)

WRawle
WRawle

 @ronaldblair837

Google "cupcakes or turnips - puma pac".  The first hit should be the PUMA PACwebsite article from July 25th, 2008.

 

Read in the comments section #424, #353 and #503.

 

Comment #424 is MZEBEST responding to a previous comment:

 

================================================

 

#424 mzebest on 07.25.08 at 5:16 pm

 

#396 Firebelle Puma

 

LOL! It’s what I live for… my goal to make him a mockery of the very crowd he seeks for adulation.

 

================================================

 

MZEBEST lives to make a mockery of Barack Obama.  And in comments number 353 and 503 MZEBEST identifies herself.

 

If you were bring investigated would you want the investigation run by someone who lived to make a mockery of you?

 

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @ronaldblair837

 

BTW - I know who Mara Zebest is and she is NOT an Adobe Expert at large. She is expert on the USAGE of Adobe, but is no where near the expert that the actual Adobe software engineers who are recognized and certified as being experts.

 

Yet Mara knows more than they do... riiiggghhhhhttttttt......

 

Here is some research for you

 

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59087668/Response-to-Zebest

 

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp

 

So are we going to have the discussion or ????

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @ronaldblair837 

 

ok - so now you want me to do your research for you. You should be able to tell me exactly what it is that is fraudulent if you believe it, or are you just following the crowd?

 

I have looked through almost all the fraud crap about the BC and it is crap. Experts have said it is authentic and within the law as they are written in Hawaii and at the Federal level.

 

So once again, what SPECIFICALLY is it about the BC that is a problem?

 

Let's have the discussion

ronaldblair837
ronaldblair837

GOOGLE "Mara Zebest" who has written dozens of ADOBE software books (the Obama birth certificate was an ADOBE PDF file) - listen to her say "Its not even close to being authentic- its a cut & past created on a computer"

Flyer9753
Flyer9753

 @ronaldblair837 

 

BS

 

State specifically how he is a Fraud.

 

What policies EXACTLY and such.

 

I am more than willing to discuss this on the facts, like reasonable people. Are you?

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