Video: Camelback Mountain Hiker Angered After Being Reminded of Leash Law

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Image: Pete Kosednar
This Camelback Mountain hiker is shown in a video shot by Pete Kosednar of Scottdale, who says she "attacked" him after he asked whether her dog should be on a leash.
Pete Kosednar, a Scottsdale window-cleaner and blogger, pulled out his video camera this morning when he saw a hiker walk by on Camelback Mountain with her dog unleashed.

Then, he says -- and as the video below appears to show -- he simply reminded the woman that her dog was supposed to be on a leash.

The woman's mini-Cocker Spaniel isn't much of a threat, but Kosednar's warning -- and camera -- seem to bring out the woman's inner pit bull.

The hiker struts over to Kosednar, appears to give him a shove, tells him to stop taping her, then curses at him as she walks away.


Kosednar says the video shows evidence of an assault. A couple of Phoenix cops took Kosednar's statement on the incident, but "they didn't do anything," he says.

The law requires dogs to be on a leash at all times in public places in Phoenix, including at mountain parks like Camelback Mountain.

See video below:




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rescuegreyhounds
rescuegreyhounds

I have a rescued greyhound, and I really wish people would keep their dogs on leash.  I'm trying to successfully get my dog used to other dogs, and people.  When off leash dogs run at her, she feels threatened, and it causes a lot of problems that could be avoided if people kept their dogs that aren't under their control on a leash.  This woman was seriously in the wrong.  I wish more people would remind people that their is a leash law.  Thank you.


Jitsujunkie
Jitsujunkie

I'm sure your C.O. would like to know about your activity (behind the computer and on the trail).  O.k. tough guy behind the computer. You're lucky this lady didn't turn you in for harassing her and if someone at your station (higher up) finds out about your internet activity or your behavior on the trail and to women, my hunch is you'll soon be working as a security guard at Fry's.  .  Watch your step d*uche bag.

Jitsujunkie
Jitsujunkie

What kind of di*k follows and videos a woman walking her Cocker Spaniel, bit*hing about leash laws?

I would have tied that leash around his neck and taken him for a walk. 

bk.simpson
bk.simpson

Seriously people? how about we get upset about people not following the leash laws when every single one of us myself included stops speeding every single time we get in the car? they are about on par as far as "crime" goes. the dude with the camera is kinda creepy, and this women is way over reacting but still, are leash law breakers really something to get upset about?

atrain123
atrain123

Since when do we inform people about the leash law with a camera in their face?  The camera man is an antagonizing loser and the dog isn't a threat to anyone.

 

We put laws in place to serve a purpose, and the leash law is to prevent pets from roaming around and also to prevent dangerous pets from attacking.  This dog is doing neither.  Courts are there to interpret the letter of the law, but also the intended meaning of the writers of the law.

sassy
sassy

Some people just don't think the rules apply to them...she likely doesnt pick up her dogs crap either.....I was scared just by the sheer ugliness of the womans face....EEK!!!

marcy
marcy

Pete was acting like a creeper and was surprised to be treated like one.

 

I'd recommend he be put on a 6' leash when out in public in the future.

ExpertShot
ExpertShot topcommenter

People like her have not had a good upbringing and don't know how to deal with criticism.  They're spoiled all their lives and then when get out in the real world, they don't know how to act.  This woman should go to the YMCA and hang out a litle with the real people.

 

TruConserv
TruConserv

Seems to me that Pete Kosednar was looking for a fight, was likely harassing as many people as he came across, and finally found the right one to give him the tape he wanted.

 

Nothing like a little bit of manufactured news to boost viewership on crappy blog, eh Pete.

 

The real headline should have been douche meets douchebag on narrow trail.

 

 

rickthepr1ck
rickthepr1ck

Hey bitch didnt your fucking mother show you how to follow rules. she lucky that was not me or that camera would be shoved right up her ass and down her husband/boyfriens too.

Hock
Hock

Camelback is filled with horrible people.  I avoid it.  So many other trails with nice people on them.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

I would have decked that bitch and she would have deserved it.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @Jitsujunkie 

 

and that was not me in that video either - but I have a feeling you are her

 

and I will still clean your clock if you were to assault me like you did him.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @Jitsujunkie 

 

hahahaha

 

So you won't meet and prove your point, but you call others a computer tough guy?? ROFL!!!!

 

I love idiots like you who make assumptions. I am not a cop, never said I was, but I don't need a cop to arrest you after you assault me, anyone can make an arrest like that.

 

I suggest before you speak next time, you learn a little bit, or at least anything about the law, it will save you looking like a complete ass when you open your mouth.

 

So Mr. Tough guy behind a computer, time for you to put up or shut up and meet me on camelback, where we can see just how tough you are.

 

I'm willing to prove I am not an internet tough guy, are you?

 

Well Mr. internet tough guy?

rockymissouri1
rockymissouri1

@bk.simpson her dog could have fallen, and I have a feeling she would expect somebody to save it.........

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @atrain123 

 

Wrong target

 

He is 100% within his right, and quite often now ppl have cameras just because of idiots like this woman.

 

The camera man simply asked a question, if she is intimidated by anyone talking to her or having a camera, that is her  problem, not his or mine or yours. HERS.

 

Since when do we assault people who are simply filming in the outdoors, a public space and using their first amendment rights to speak?

 

The only person in the wrong here is this woman, no one else.

jab480
jab480

 @marcy A creeper doesn't obviously have their camera-phone out taking video.  This guy was only recording what she was publicly doing.  I think she only became unglued because she knew she was wrong and was caught - I don't understand why she couldn't have behaved civilly.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @marcy 

 

BS - Pete did nothing wrong except not decking her when she assaulted him

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @TruConserv Whatever, even if he was an asshole she was in the wrong on every level.  She shouldn't have been walking the dog off the leash and she shouldn't have attacked him.  I hate when people act like the law doesn't apply to them.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @rickthepr1ck actually, in that case you are lucky you were not the one behind the camera because if you did that you would be looking at an aggravated assault charge and prison time.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @rickthepr1ck  Exactly what I was thinking, if it had been me and she attacks me like she did, she would be eating dirt in 2 seconds flat with my knee on the back of her neck pinning her down so she can smell the dirt dogs pee/shit on.

 

Disclaimer:

Now, before I get flamed, I AM NOT advocating violence against women, or anyone for that matter, but everyone has the right to defend themselves if attacked whether the attacker is a man or a woman.  If the cameraman had been a Law Enforcement Officer, she would have gotten the Rodney King treatment and done some serious jail time, if not prison. 

 

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @Flyer9753 She might have deserved it but you would have been the one sitting in jail in that case.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @US_War_Veteran  @rickthepr1ck Here is the thing, according to the law you can't provoke someone and then claim that you were only defending yourself when they attack, it doesn't work like that.  Secondly, it would be quite a stretch to say that a woman who was trying to take away your camera constituted some kind of major physical threat to a "us war veteran" like yourself.  Your best bet would be to sue her in civil court, because I guarantee if you laid a hand on her in a case like this you would be the one going to jail and facing a judge.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @maxonepercent 

 

Actually I would not. She assaulted him first by attacking him and the camera, it's on tape.

 

He and I, had it been me in the situation, would have been 100% justified defending ourselves.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @Jitsujunkie

 

btw - don't make any plans for after the hospital either since you will be sitting jail for assault, once they release you from the hospital that is.

 

and I won't need the cops there to make the arrest.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @Jitsujunkie Tell you what.

 

I'll meet you on camelback, I will have my camera, you will have your dog off a leash, I'll ask you about a leash, you attack me and we'll see what happens.

 

When would you like to do this?

 

Don't worry, I will pre-call an ambulance for you.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @maxonepercent  @US_War_Veteran  @rickthepr1ck 

 

I'm not going to argue this anymore. I am right, you are wrong.

 

If you'd like, we can meet on Camelback, you can attempt to smack my camera out of my hands and we will see how fast you end up in jail, after a visit to the hospital.

 

When would you like to do this?

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @US_War_Veteran  @Flyer9753  @rickthepr1ck If she was assaulting him than please explain why the police declined to press charges?  All your supposed knowledge of the law is totally invalidated by that fact.  If she was assaulting him then the police would have had to charge her with a crime and they did not.  Secondly, I have nothing to do with the woman in the video, she is clearly a shrew of the highest caliber and she was way out of line with her behavior.  My point is that a escalation of violence against a woman over a scuffle about a dog off his leash is completely unwarranted and any "man" who would use that as an excuse to beat a woman would be punished to the utmost extent of the law, guaranteed.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @maxonepercent  @Flyer9753  @rickthepr1ck

 The more you write the more you look like an ignorant fool.

 

First, the Law varies from State to State, what might be illegal in one State may be perfectly legal in another.

 

Secondly, that video of the link you showed means nothing, she was being a bitch and got knocked out, the video in the story here is a DIFERENT story, in this storie's video the woman clearly puts her hands on the camera man and/or his property, CLEARLY ASSAULTING HIM, that behavior IS NOT tolerated in Arizona and a person gets arrested and charged with assault for that, hell here you do not need to touch a person to get arrested, verbal assault or verbal threats gets you arrested for assault too.

 

Third, I have a feeling you are or are somehow connected to the dumb bitch on this video, I hope you learned your lesson and the next time you're out with your mutt put it on a leash, and remember, the next time person that tells you to abide by the law, I suggest you thank them for reminding you of it and move on, DO NOT try to assault them again, you might not get lucky a second time and will end up eating dirt, not all of us are as tolerant to being assaulted like the camera man on this video.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @maxonepercent  @US_War_Veteran  @rickthepr1ck

First of all, can you please explain to us how "according to the law" being told by a stranger to put your dog on a leash because it is the LAW constitutes being provoked?

 

Secondly, anybody trying to take from me ANYTHING, from a cheap lolly pop to an expensive camera constitutes an attack AND if said item is taken it then becomes at that time THEFT, in the case of a video camera worth more than $500 it is FELONY THEFT, I don't know what planet you're from but a person does NOT need to be in "some kind of major physical threat" to defend themselves AND their property.  If you don't believe me, the next time you see a cop reach out and try to take ANYTHING from him/her and tell us how it turns out, anything, flashlight, keys, badge, gun, pen, coffee, donut, hat, it doesn't matter, just reach out and try to take anything away from the officer to prove YOUR version of the law and what constitutes "an attack".

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @maxonepercent  @US_War_Veteran  @rickthepr1ck

First of all, can you please explain to us how "according to the law" being told by a stranger to put your dog on a leash because it is the LAW constitutes being provoked?

 

Secondly, anybody trying to take from me ANYTHING, from a cheap lolly pop to an expensive camera constitutes an attack AND if said item is taken it then becomes at that time THEFT, in the case of a video camera worth more than $500 it is FELONY THEFT, I don't know what planet you're from but a person does NOT need to be in "some kind of major physical threat" to defend themselves AND their property.  If you don't believe me, the next time you see a cop reach out and try to take ANYTHING from him/her and tell us how it turns out, anything, flashlight, keys, badge, gun, pen, coffee, donut, hat, it doesn't matter, just reach out and try to take anything away from the officer.

 

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @Flyer9753  @US_War_Veteran  @rickthepr1ck First, she never hit him, she attempted to turn off or take away the camera.  If there was any evidence that she had actually hit him the police would have had no choice but to press charges, which they obviously declined to do.

 

Secondly, you are obviously the one who has no understanding of the law.  Look at this case for proof of what happens when a man retaliates against a women even after she has spit on him and assaulted him:

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/news-update-cleveland-rta-bus-driver-and-uppercut-recipient-both-charged-1

 

The video of the incident above clearly shows this woman berating the driver, punching him and spitting on him WHILE HE WAS DRIVING A BUS FULL OF PEOPLE.  He got up and knocked her out.  He claimed he was defending himself and promptly got arrested.

 

So why don't you do this, take your infinite knowledge of the law and head out to the park this weekend, follow some people around with your camera asking questions in a belligerent tone, when some woman half your size gets in your face go ahead and punch her out.  After that try to explain to the cops that "she did constitute a threat" because she was wearing a backpack and she physically assaulted you (even though you outweigh her by 100 lbs) so you had every right to bash her face in.  I am sure it will go really well for you...

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @maxonepercent  @US_War_Veteran  @rickthepr1ck 

 

He did not provoke her, he asked a simple question in accordance with the law. Asking someone, anyone a question is not provocation

 

She did constitute a threat, who knows what she had in the backpack, it might have been a weapon. Nonetheless she physically attacked him, there is no requirement that the victim has to be hurt or even in danger of being hurt for it to be assault.

 

I love legal eagles like yourself who have no idea how the law actually works.

 

Tell you what, I'll meet you on a trail, you hit me and my camera, I respond, we'll see who gets arrested when I press charges.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @US_War_Veteran  @Flyer9753 Apparently you didn't read the actual article either, it says:  "Kosednar says the video shows evidence of an assault. A couple of Phoenix cops took Kosednar's statement on the incident, but "they didn't do anything," he says."  What more do you want, a sworn affidavit? 

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @maxonepercent  @Flyer9753

 "I guess that is why the police declined to do anything when the victim showed them the film right?"

 

And how do you know that? did the Police question you? did they question your dog? or did the Police just tell you to make sure you kept your mutt on a leash and let you off with a warning?

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @marcy  @Flyer9753 That is why I specified "in some jurisdictions".  In any event, following someone around with a camera and pestering them with annoying questions could easily be construed as harassment, even here in arizona.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @Flyer9753 Apparently you have problems with reading comprehension:  "Kosednar says the video shows evidence of an assault. A couple of Phoenix cops took Kosednar's statement on the incident, but "they didn't do anything," he says."

 

It sounds to me like he wanted to press charges but the cops said no crime had occurred.  Why?  Because following someone around with a camera and asking asking questions in a belligerent tone is harassment.  They recognized that he was as guilty of a crime as she was.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @maxonepercent 

 

And if the victim had chosen to file charges the police would have had no choice but to take the report and follow through on it with an arrest, Learn the law before you attempt to quote it.

 

As to law about recording - wow, you can't even figure out google before flapping your gums wrongly.

 

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/arizona-recording-law

 

In any public place you have no expectation of privacy. The cases you mention about certain jurisdictions have all been thrown out since their was no expectation of privacy in public. The only arrests were by cops who attempted to use old laws and they have all been tossed out.

 

I do have the right to film you in public even if you ask me not to, there is no expectation of privacy, you want that, go indoors on your own property otherwise you are fair game.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @Flyer9753 I guess that is why the police declined to do anything when the victim showed them the film right?  You don't have a right to film people without their consent either, in some jurisdictions that is a crime too.

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