Joe Arpaio or ICE: Whose Story Do You Believe?

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Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Late last week, Sheriff Joe Arpaio claimed Immigration and Customs Enforcement "refused" to take custody of two suspected illegal immigrants that MCSO deputies found in the desert.

Arpaio suggested that he saw this was coming, and had discovered a back-up plan to keep turning over immigrants to federal agents.

See also:
-Joe Arpaio Tells Tale About Fooling the Feds; ICE Calls Sheriff's Bluff

From MCSO's press release:

Sheriff's detectives were unable to gather enough evidence on the remaining two suspects to charge them with a state crime of human smuggling and attempted to turn the suspects over to ICE as has been the practice during the last six years. ICE agents, after asking a series of questions, refused to take the suspects from Sheriff's detectives.

"I expected that it would happen eventually, so I had a back up plan in place which was to take these illegal immigrants not accepted by ICE to the Border Patrol," Sheriff Arpaio said. So as directed by the Sheriff, last night deputies took the two suspects to the Border Patrol.

Not so fast, said ICE, which turned over its own version of events.

"...ICE agents referred the sheriff's office to the Ajo Station of the U.S. Border Patrol. Border Patrol is the primary DHS agency responding to recent border crossers encountered in the Gila Bend desert area," an ICE spokeswoman said in a statement. "Agents from the Ajo Border Patrol station responded to the scene in Gila Bend and took custody of the individuals. ICE and Border Patrol work closely together to ensure a coordinated response to our state and local law enforcement partners, in accordance with our enforcement priorities."

After this statement was made public, MCSO Sergeant Brandon Jones told New Times that Arpaio had actually given his staff the direction earlier last week to go to Border Patrol in the case of an ICE refusal.

So, between the alleged refusal and the origin of the directives, whose story are you buyin'?

Cast your vote below:



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narizona
narizona

It's easy to tell when he lies...............he moves his lips!

HankStanky
HankStanky

Joe only lies when the NewTimes lies.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

The answer is obvious.

 

With Joe's proven and indisputable track record of lying whenever he opens his mouth along with the fact that this is published policy for ICE and it is clear Joe is lying here to make himself look good in the eyes of the blue hairs and the hypocritical authoritarians.

 

Maybe Joe should follow the rules and policies like everyone else instead of trying to make his own  - what a novel concept.

 

connie.harrington55
connie.harrington55

More B.S. from the self appointed "America's Toughest Sheriff". He & his goons are murderers, killing many inmates, they have cost us taxpayers multi millions dollars in all the lawsuits we have had to pay out. His TOP TWO were FIRED...Joe's only gig is to "GET THE MEXICANS". What about all the real criminals ? He is a JOKE & HAS TO GO !!! DO NOT RE-ELECT this jerk, he has made ARIZONA a laughing stock state, well he & BREWER. They are not Arizonians, they do not speak for ALL of us !!! Embarrased to say this is my home state anymore.

 

DNichols
DNichols

I wonder does anyone remember the twenty-five year period prior to the January 2008 start of the "Anti-Immigrant Rant"?

 

All Twelve Million of the Un-documented Immigrants were here in the U.S. we all worked together to make that period in time "The Most Prosperous Period in Total U.S. History!

 

Our Nations Economy Crashed as a direct result of the January 2008 start of "Attrition", the E-verify Law, and the I*.C.E. Deportation/Incarceration Programs was also the start of "The Great Recession", the "Foreclosure Crisis", and our "New Ballooning National Deficit".

 

President Obama made a 2009 visit to Mesa Arizona's Dobson High regarding Mesa Arizona's "Highest Forclosure Rate in the Nation"  Russell Pearce's Town.

 

This is our I.C.E.'d Economy.

 

"America is great because it is good, when it ceases to be good, it ceases to be great."

Alex De Tocqueville

 

This is "The Wrong Road America is on."

 

This Great Nation of Immigrants was Built on Far Better Principles, and Values than to rip apart good Christian Families, and to Deport Parents away from their legal Citizen Children!

 

America must end this Racist Rant, we can control our Borders, yet treat those amoung us as "Human Beings"

 

Hitler would be very proud of Sheriff Arpaio.

 

To: Good, and Brotherhood, from Sea to shining Sea.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

who would i believe? it sure isnt the same guy who answers "i dont recall" most times he's on the witness stand at court

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

I am much more inclined to believe our sheriff, who has a vested interest in enforcing laws that protect the good people of this county, than the ICE which has been politicized by the Obama administration and which is now basically in the business of facilitating illegal immigration.  Once the ICE starts deporting illegal immigrant criminals again than I might take anything they say seriously, until then they are basically traitors.

pca2002002
pca2002002

A prime example of a distinction without a difference.  Arpaio says he called ICE and they told him to call the Border Patrol.  ICE says Arpaio call them and they referred him to the Border Patrol.  Other than the New Times vendetta against the Sheriff, what's the controversy here?

 

BTW, love him or hate him, you are fooling yourself if you think Arpaio isn't going to be re-elected in a walk.

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

ICE personnel have NOTHING to lose by being truthful.

 

The MCSO shurf has EVERYTHING to lose, including his election, by being truthful.

 

The MCSO sheriff is mentally ill.

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

everything out of his mouth is a lie. after doing his sweeps for over 6 years, now he doesnt know the procedure? 

azweasel
azweasel

More bullshit from america's dumbest sheriff. Just like his ads on tv.

robert_graham
robert_graham

Although ICE must start accepting all illegal aliens, if they are turned over to the Border Patrol instead, good!  It makes no difference who deports them as long as they are deported. A rally and protest is being planned to demand that ICE accept all illegal aliens.

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @maxonepercent Yeah Obama did it. (sheesh)

 

Forget that fact that Obama has deported more per month than Bush EVER did.... but it's all Obama's fault.... right!

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

 @pca2002002

 No.  Actually Arpaio said, "I expected that it would happen eventually, so I had a back up plan in place which was to take these illegal immigrants not accepted by ICE to the Border Patrol."  Arpaio makes it sound like going to the Border Patrol was his secretive plan to get around ICE's refusal to take the two into custody.  The lie through omission here is that ICE TOLD his deputies to call Border Patrol and gave them the Border Patrol phone number.  The odd part is that it is an entirely unnecessary lie.  He could have simply put out a release which trumpeted the fact that he turned over two more illegal aliens to the Feds which would have been accurate and still would have played to his base.  The fact that he apparently felt compelled to lie about the circumstances, a lie which was completely unnecessary, makes it appear to be pathological.

LV_Born
LV_Born

why would ICE be truthful?  their "fearless" leader is not truthful.... I would trust Arpaio in a heartbeat.  He has proven himself over and over again to be a true American citizen and working for the people of Arizona.  You know, the ones that vote - that are LEGAL US Citizens.  Those Arizona people LOVE him, that speaks volumes and I wish we had many more of Arpaio's around the country.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @Flyer9753 If you repeat the same lie often enough it becomes the truth, right?  Check your facts, to skew the reports Nappy admitted to counting people who were turned away at the border as having been deported.  Take those numbers into account and Obama's record on immigration enforcement is abysmal.  Not to mention his backdoor amnesty that has basically put ICE in the business of assisting illegal immigrants in coming and staying in America.  Meanwhile, the Dems fight any state's attempts to reduce voter fraud in court, coincidence?  I think not...

jrqcustom
jrqcustom

 @JoeArpaioFan   Ay joearpaiofan or me i call you juanito perez born in guasave sin mex alias el compita    liars

Tommy_Collins
Tommy_Collins

 @JoeArpaioFanJAF: (1) I am NOT your friend. Let's be clear about that. (2) I have never implied that immigration laws shoud not be enforced. (3) I hold the MCSO  shurf in utter contempt because of his lack of ability to manage the organization in a professional and lawful manner. (4)Truthfully, we ALL have some form of mental illness, by definition. (5) The MCSO shurf demonstrates a severe amount of mental illness than most of us. (6) You are obviously hired to come to these pages and incite responses based on what appears to be your pure ignoranance of facts and law. (7) You are considered nothing but a joke by the stable folks who post here. Reading your stuff is nothing more challenging than going to Trout Creek to catch trout that haven't eatten for a week. You truly are an embarassment.

 

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

 @Flyer9753 Point by point:

 

You claim the numbers were debunked?  Fine, prove it.  I have spent sometime online and I can't find a single reputable source that verifies this claim.

 

I think you might be confused about the Backdoor immigration policy I am referring to.  I am talking about the infamous (and illegal) "Obama amnesty" that provides visas to undocumented immigrants in direct violation of federal law.  This is a blatantly unconstitutional action, and even Obama admitted indirectly that his course of action was illegal because for years before Nappy enforced the change he was going all over the country saying he had no legal recourse to offer amnesty without the help of congress.

 

It is funny that you want to blame the lack of action on immigration reform on the Republicans when the Democrats controlled both houses of congress and the presidency for 2 whole years and the DREAM ACT was utterly ignored by them until they were out of power in 2010.  Why did that happen?  Simple, because every politician knows the Dream Act and illegal immigrant amnesty is political suicide.  Like it or not most Americans (Republican and Democrat) oppose amnesty.  Once again, the mainstream democrats have taken an extremist position on immigration (much like they do with abortion) and it is going to cost them political power, just wait and see.

 

In regards to the paragraphs about voter fraud not being an important issue:  I am sorry but you are going to have to do better than throwing out some vague allusions about obscure events involving supposed republicans if you want to convince people to ignore common sense about voter id verification.  

 

In this country we have laws mandating that you need a state-issued  photo ID to: open a bank account, cash a Social Security check, purchase alcohol, purchase a gun, and on and on and on.  It is absurd to think that anyone should not be required to show an ID when voting.  How on earth can we possibly have any faith in our voting process if any con-artists can register and vote under any assumed name virtually at will?  (And I don't doubt for a minute that there are Republicans stuffing the ballot-box through this fraud either btw)  The point is that we undermine the entire system by failing to accurately verify that the people voting actually have the right to vote.

 

Of course, the reason for the extraordinary democrat opposition to voter identification laws is just as easily understood using common sense.  Since the collapse of the democratic party in1968 they have had to rely increasingly upon demographic groups that are more likely than average to have felonies precluding them from voting or to be immigrant foreign nationals.  In light of this blatant truth it becomes pretty clear why the Dems start frothing at the mouth at the mere mention of voter identification: they rely on voter fraud to win elections.  

 

Anyway, you then go on to the predictable next step of engaging in unprovoked personal attacks, vividly illustrating the obvious fact that you lack reason and must resort to child-like taunts and name-calling to hide the fact that your arguments hold not a shred of substantive fact.  Yawn.

 

Meanwhile, you fail to realize that your bizarre inclination to CAPITALIZE every OTHER word IN your DIATRIBE, makes you look like you may be in need of anti-psychotic medication.  In other words, you sound like every other brainwashed "Obamabot" on the internet.

 

Lastly, what exactly have you debunked?  I have seen no facts, no sources, not a single "verifiable" piece of information anywhere in the disjointed mess you are trying to pass off as a intelligent response.  Once again, your delusional nature is made self-evident in your own words.

 

PREDICTION: your next reply will consist of even more clichéd insults and even less actual substance, as if that is even possible...

Flyer9753
Flyer9753 topcommenter

 @maxonepercent 

 

You picked the wrong target to spew at.

 

That is BS about tI have the numbers from both Bush and Obama and how they were gathered. The numbers stand and 'nappy' did not do what you are claiming, that has been debunked a long time ago.

 

There is no backdoor policy regarding immigration, there is a SENSIBLE policy, the same one the republicans tried to get passed then when the white house got on board with it, all of a sudden the republicans own plan was considered toxic by the republicants. So once again the republicants are the problem with their obstructionist policy of refusing to get on board with anything Obama does, even when it's THEIR OWN FUCKING LEGISLATION - typicial of republicants to not care about the people they are supposed to be serving.

 

Voter fraud?? ROFL!!! WHAT VOTER FRAUD?! The only instances of voter fraud that are on record have been by the republicants.

 

Things like ACORN (A republican fraud)

 

or the REPUBLICAN legislator who is trying to get thousands of people who are already registered and verified thrown off the ballots weeks before the election using special powers

 

Or the Republican who is trying the same in another state by claiming 30000+ registered voters are dead? So the state starts verifying their list and guess what, NOT A SINGLE PERSON WHO THEY CLAIMED WAS DEAD IS! That's right, 30000 names submitted as dead people and NONE ARE!

 

If it's the dens who are the problem why is the REPUBLICANTS who are attempting in several states to shorten the amount of time you have to vote? As a politician and as a representative of the people wouldn't you want EVERY VALID VOTE to count? Yet it\s the REPUBLICANTS who are trying to get legislation to shorten voting times and limit the amount of days. Why?

 

You are an idiot who is themselves repeating something long and loud enough to hope that what you are spewing will stick to something.

 

I am stating facts, all verifiable while I easily debunked your spewage.

 

Wake up fool

danzigsdaddy
danzigsdaddy topcommenter

 @Tommy_Collins JAF is the only one who could never be declared at a winner at the special olympics. that has got to be one scary ass gene pool he came from.

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