Which MCSO Employee Gave the Most Likely Explanation of "Crime Suppression" Sweeps?

Categories: Morning Poll
See also: MCSO Sergeant Says Main Goal Is to Catch Illegal Immigrants
See also: Deputy Chief Brian Sands' Testimony Contradicted by His Statements in 2010
See also: Joe Arpaio's Deputy: Sheriff Is Misinformed About Illegal Immigration Patrols
See also: Joe Arpaio Struggles in Racial-Profiling Trial
See also: Joe Arpaio's (ahem) Legal Scholar Brett Palmer and Brian Sands Under Oath

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The purpose of Sheriff Joe Arpaio's "crime suppression" sweeps seems to depend on which Maricopa County Sheriff's Office employee you're talking to.

Yesterday, MCSO Sergeant Manuel Madrid -- a supervisor for the agency's Human Smuggling Unit -- said they'd pull off the sweeps in areas where there was reported human smuggling, but then they'd go after people committing simply traffic violations, like cracked windshields.

If they were Hispanic and their English was a little iffy, Madrid said it was "a totality at the end" for bringing up the possibility of the person being an undocumented immigrant.

Brian Sands, one of Arpaio's deputy chiefs, has a few explanations of his own.

Last week, he said Arpaio didn't really know what was going on with the deputies on the street, but explained that picking up people who are suspected of being in the country illegal just kind of...happens.

"[Snatching up undocumented immigrants is] not the goal or objective...but it's the results that occur," Sands told the judge. "If people are arrested and, subsequently, they're in the country illegally, that's the end result of stopping a certain amount of people."

Sands is also the guy who said a few years back that Arpaio's former chief deputy, Dave Hendershott, had instructed a lieutenant to "round up as many illegal aliens as he could arrest" during a saturation patrol.

"We got to a situation where the lieutenant was complying with (Hendershott's) directives and called me and said, that, you know, they had like 50 people in custody," Sands said. "My question was, 'did we arrest people on the state charge of human smuggling? And he said that they had more or less looked at arresting VRs, in other words, volunteer removals, and I said, 'no, we got to shut it down.'"

When Arpaio was asked whether his priority was to go after illegal immigrants, his explanation was, "That is not correct"

So, who's got the most likely story here?

Cast your vote below:




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Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

Hendley, what was the outcome of the Melendres testimony? Why haven't you 'reporters' mentioned anything about the absence of the star witnesses? You made a big todo about ratcliffe asking a driver who did not have their drivers lisense at the time they were stopped what their SSN was. There are three ways a person can be ran on the computer. Of the three ways, running someone by SSN is the simplest. Also, it is easy to corroborate if the person is truthful about their identification (when they are unable to provide a pictured ID card) by asking their name and date of birth (another of the three ways a persons info can be checked) and then seeing if the SSN they provide matches the name and DoB given. Oh, and there is a line on the citation for the person's SSN. It's standard procedure to ask for a person's social security number. You also failed to mention the guy admitted he was not profiled at the end of cross examination. You, lemons and the other idiot are giving people false hope on the inevitable outcome of this silly charade of a trial. When Snow states there is insufficient evidence to conclude the Sheriffs Office racially profiles, these lemmings will have been so misinformed that they will lose faith in the justice system. You fellas have a responsibility to be honest in your reporting.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

Who cares just as long as the job gets done.

KeeponSuckin
KeeponSuckin

 @arpaiofan A Real Sheriff does his Job, and has no need for sucking up to Media or having Creepy "Fans".

 

My guess is Arpaio "Fan" is Arpaio or Russell Pearce.

 

Definitly a Racist "Twit".

fuckarpaio
fuckarpaio

 @arpaiofan

 Why don't you take your ignorant ass over to kpho where the mental midgets converge.

woefatcat
woefatcat

 @arpaiofan If nothing else your Arpaio ass kissing is consistent, day after day, week after week. Just don't get too tan you look kinda southern in your pic there. And not the "dixie" kinda southern. Spend a little time getting harassed like my family and your adoration of Joe would vanish.

Lone_Wolf
Lone_Wolf

 Just what "job" are they getting done, arpaio-ass-kisser? The last time I checked, 400 unsolved *FELONY* sex crimes in El Mirage, remained---"unsolved".@arpaiofan Surely, you don't "care" about that because you care about criminals. 

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @arpaiofan "

"Who cares just as long as the job gets done."

 

WRONG DUMBFUCK!  Cops HAVE to abide by the LAW when enforcing LAWS, we can not have CRIMINALS trying to enforce LAWS, and we certainly CAN NOT have cops comiting FELONIES to enforce MISDEAMENORS, so do us all a favor fucking troll, and until you grow a brain, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @fuckarpaioAre you saying I am ignorant? HA!  You seem the one who is ignorant because you just can't understand what part about the word ILLEGAL means.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @woefatcat I'll kiss anybody's ass who enforces our laws. And as a matter of fact, Sheriff Joe is out right now rounding up more illegals. He will have to build more tents pretty soon.  Now put that in your pipe and smoke it you dumb ass.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @Lone_Wolf There are many felonies that have never been solved.  I'm sure that in El Mirage there are burglaries, assaults and even murders that haven't been solved either but because many "sex' crimes" are federal offenses, maybe prosecutors are simply waiting for the feds to investigate and solve those crimes while deputies investigate other matters. 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @Lone_Wolf Oh so now you get to pick and choose what the police enforce?  Unsolved El Mirage crimes were fabricated by the media and liberals as an attack method.

pearlsvaluables
pearlsvaluables

 @Lone_Wolf  @arpaiofan Lone Wolf Arpaiofan is a cum sucker. He doesn't see all the laws a Sherriff should enforce, just the immigration. He's so full of Joe's cum and shit he's ignorant

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran Would you please explain to me what you mean and call me at (602) 492-9249 at your earliest convenience.  Thank you.

luisimo123
luisimo123

 @JoeArpaioFan@Comparing these guys to the Taliban could be considered an insult to the Taliban...     See also:  MCSO Sergeant Says Main Goal Is to Catch Illegal Immigrants, Contradicting Deputy Chief Brian Sands' Testimony  See also:  Joe Arpaio Struggles in

 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran Thanks for the compliment.  We sure share the same views don't we?  In case you weren't aware of it, there are hundreds of thousands of other Arizonans that share the same views as I do.  More agree than they do disagree.  It may not seem like there are that many but you'd see our strength in numbers if each of them were posting here too.  Because there aren't really that many different people that post here who are against Sheriff Arpaio, that goes to show you that not many people disagree with him.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @ActofGod I am pleased that people think I might be Sheriff Joe in disguise but believe me I am not.  If I were Arpaio I would take things even farther than he does and you sure wouldn't like that. Things are about to change anyway and you won't like that either.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @arpaiofan  You may not be the senile fool himself, but you have the same FUGLY bulbous nose, so I say you are somehow related to Sheriff Joke arPayaso.

ActofGod
ActofGod

Thanks for the reply Joe.

 

Hey I hear you are offering $5,000.00 reward to catch the one responsible for blown down Re-Elect Posters?

 

Those Dust Storms are "Brown"

 

Go Get em retard.

luisimo123
luisimo123

 @JoeArpaioFan@You should kiss US ARMY VET ASS, bcause he served & defended your country. I BET YOU DO NOT HAVE THE BALLS BE IN THE ARMY.

 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran You call yourself a US War Veteran, which war were you in?  It is really too bad that you weren't one of the casualties we all hear so much about these days.  You must be suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @JoeArpaioFan  Oh I forgot, you are a Law Expert, why don't you instead of trolling go and give your hero some Law classes, maybe then the flaccid fool will start pretending he is actually a Sheriff, instead of a Media Whore.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

"many "sex' crimes" are federal offenses,"

 

Bullshit, the only Sex Crime that is a Federal crime is the one the happens in a Federal Building or Property, the City of El Mirage is neither.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @JoeArpaioFan Im done with you troll, you are too stupid to engage in a debate, its no fun debating a retard, and good luck sucking arPayaso's cock.

 

Don't bother responding, the IGNORE TEA BAGGER button has been pressed.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran You really have no sense of logic whatsoever. do you?  Regardless of what Tent City is classified as, it is still a detention facility. 

 

After illegal aliens serve their time for identity theft and other crimes they are turned over to ICE.  But if it were up to me I would build German-style concentration camps to house illegal aliens. 

 

Because the government is broke, landmines should be planted along the border with signs posted that warn people to enter at their own risk.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran  @JoeArpaioFan You better look closely at all your posts.  Many of your posts contain misspellings and incorrect grammar so you better bite your tongue dick head.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

@JoeArpaioFan  "Tent City is a detention facility"

 

Bullshit, Tent City is a COUNTY JAIL, if an undocumented person is arrested, AFTER they serve their time for whatever crime they comited, they get sent to a DETENTION Facility run by the Feds, not the County.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran Tent City is a detention facility not a prison.  When Romney becomes our next President there will be no more leniency for illegal aliens.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

@JoeArpaioFan Well at least we know that there is ONE word you can spell, congratulations moron, you get the ATA Golden Apple Award, just like rus_SELL pearce.

 

"misdemeanors are not civil violations"

 

Sure about that?  Are you having a problem with Reading Comprehension? not all Misdeamenors are Civil Violations, but ALL Civil Violations are Misdeamenors, get your head out of your ass and stop trolling, Imbecile.

 

 

 

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

" why then are there thousands of illegals in ICE custody for just crossing illegally into the United States?"

 

Because tey are on hold waiting for a JUDGE to determine if that person is to be granted a temporary stay, a hearring for a later day, and released, or to be deported, when a person gets arrested for ANOTHER CRIME, when it is determined they are undocumented then they are deported at the earliest convenience of ICE.  That is why people detained by ICE are on an ICE "HOLD" and taken to DETENTION facilities,  NOT prisons. 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran I just realized what you said. The war must have really messed up your brain because "Yourpoductsucks" is right. DISDEMEANORS (it's misdemeanors you idiot) are not civil violations.

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran If illegal immigration is only a civil violation, why then are there thousands of illegals in ICE custody for just crossing illegally into the United States? You better go get on that bus.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

@Yourproductsucks  Civil violations ARE DISDEAMENORS idiot, like double parking, IT IS NOT a criminal offense, but a misdeamenor and subject to penalties.  The short bus must be waiting for you.

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

@US_War_Veteran if its a misdemeanor it's not a civil violation. Class dismissed. The short bus is outside ready to take you home.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @JoeArpaioFanNo, what I am saying is that is not ok for the flaccid fool to ignore investigations of child rape and molestation to go run around chasing nannies and gardeners for a CIVIL misdemeanor, it is also not ok for him to violate the law and "misappropriate" 100 million dollars of the tax payers money, it is also illegal for him to bring up bogus charges against political enemies,  and I could go on for hours but I have already spent way too much time on this.

 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran I'm older than you think.  My photo shown is not a recent photo. But where's yours?  You probably look like a fat old cigar-smoking fool who resembles Chester the Molester.  And what makes you think it's not my real number? You haven't even tried calling.  I know you must think it is odd that I would give out my number but I am a person that doesn't give a shit because if I simply don't want to talk to somebody I just won't answer.

 

I guess I got you confused with another dumb ass idiot here because I reply to so many posts quickly but let me add that Arpaio enforcing illegal immigration is not expanding the law.  It's a law that has been on the federal books for longer than you've been alive.  He simply enforces the law.

 

Now before you go saying that he has no business enforcing federal law, ask yourself is "bank robbery and kidnapping" a federal offense?  He enforces that!  Also drug crimes can be federal too and that too is a federal crime since many drug-related arrests turn out to prosecuted by the feds.  Also, child pornography is a federal crime.  I have read that most of the time local police assist the feds with those investigations.

 

So in short, if you are saying that it is okay for Arpaio to enforce and arrest people for federal crimes except illegal immigration, you have something seriously wrong with your brain.

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

 @arpaiofan " It is my real number"    Sure it is.

 

"But again I ask you, what do you mean by saying that Arpaio shouldn't be expanding the law? "

 

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? in plain English, WHERE in my post above did I ever say the flaccid fool is expanding the law?   But now since you brought it up, Sheriffs enforce laws ONLY, they do not make up laws, expand laws, or choose with laws to enforce and which to ignore, they are the servants of the people, paid by the people to do a job within their job description, the flaccid fool is being paid by the people to investigate crimes and and to serve outstanding warrants, NOT to play ICE agent, immigration enforcer, or Border Patrol, the simple fact that he IGNORED 432 rape and child molestation cases, the over 40,000 OUTSTANDING FELONY WARRANTS in Maricopa County, his ILLEGAL "misappropiation" of 100 MILLION DOLLARS plus the 60 MILLION already paid in lawsuits (with 110 million still pending) of the Tax Payers money, his personal vendettas against political enemies, ETC.  so he can can go after undocumented nanies and gardners for a CIVIL MISDEAMENOR, is proof positive that Sheriff Joke arPayaso is a FAILURE as a Sheriff, but he is America's Best Media Whore. 

 

Judging by your face, I dont think you are old enough to pay taxes, you look like a young high school idiot that does not know what you're talking about, maybe some day when you have to pay your own taxes you will not be so quick to defend asholes like this so called Sheriff, and you would be pissed off when he uses YOUR MONEY as his personal slush fund.

 

 

 

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

 @US_War_Veteran See there you go sidestepping the issue.  It is my real number, my cell phone and it is not a pervert hotline. You claiming it is is just an excuse not to call because you know that I would make perfect sense to you that you don't want to listen to.  But again I ask you, what do you mean by saying that Arpaio shouldn't be expanding the law?   Is that a plain enough question for you or is it you who cannot understand English?

US_War_Veteran
US_War_Veteran

If you can not understand what I wrote in plain English then no matter what I say over the phone is going to make you understand any better, besides I know that is not your real number so I am not going to waste my time calling it, your gay hotline joke is already too old, just like the senile fool you are trying to defend.

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