Should Deferred Action Recipients Be Allowed to Get Driver's Licenses?

Categories: Morning Poll
See also: Jan Brewer to DREAMers: State Laws Bar You From Driver's Licenses
See also: Jan Brewer's Order Has "Absolutely No Basis Under State or Federal Law"


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Governor Jan Brewer used an executive order to declare that participants in the Obama Administration's deferred-action program can't get driver's licenses in Arizona.

Brewer's order came as the program was just getting started up, as people who were brought to the United States when they were young were able to apply for work permits and temporary immunity from deportation.

ACLU of Arizona executive director Alessandra Soler told New Times yesterday that she thinks Brewer's move "has absolutely no basis under state or federal law."

If these people are going to be allowed to work, not being able to drive a car certainly doesn't help them get to the work, either.

This morning's question: Regardless of the legality of Brewer's order, should deferred-action recipients be allowed to get Arizona driver's licenses (which would likely expire as their work permits expired)?

Cast your vote below:




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StegsNewton
StegsNewton

Hellz naw... They can get a license when they pay 50 years of back taxes for cheating and lying for all those years.

javierbaz
javierbaz

I resent illegal aliens demanding licenses and free tax money. Ms. Brewer did the right thing to deny those things.

Mark Zemnick
Mark Zemnick

I think that the illegal aliens need to get their approval for the green cards first before they are allow to have a driver's license. They should go through the process and pay $1000 for the application fee just like everyone else does. If they can't pay for the application fee, they should go back to Mexico, and get in line just like everyone else is trying to get into America here. Why don't they just obey the laws here. I think that this is fair.

sangui
sangui

America loves you Jan..We stand behind you 100%....Now all states need to follow your lead...

erichrnndz1
erichrnndz1

 @saltywench I would certainly observe the traffic control of a drivers licence a controversial substance of thought that I can not make up my mind about. To you I would say maybe not. It could be to lazy for us to admit too many licences for our state to control traffic of too many people with jobsd:

 

 

pecee69
pecee69

If they can't get a drivers license, they can't get valid car insurance, they will drive regardless, they will get into accidents and so MY car insurance goes up again!. Right or wrong, legal or illegal it's practical  and pragmatic that they should be allowed drivers licenses.

robert_graham
robert_graham

I've got news for each and every one of you so you better listen up.  Deferred Action is only for two years.  What that means is that after two years everything will expire. Obama will no longer be in office and the plan will be to then mass-deport because the government will know where all the permit holders are.  Mark my words.

Edward Anthony Green
Edward Anthony Green

....HELL NO TO USA DRIVERS LICENCES FOR ILLEGALS ALIENS!!! .....what part of illegal don't you liberals understand??? ....if these illegals want to work here than give them a "Temporary" paper permit, but they would have to pay for issuance in ADVANCE!!!! and it would only be good for 6 months, that way when there caught driving without "Legal Documents" for driving or 'Work Visa's" (Because most of them will!)...they would be Permanently BANNED from this country!!! Take a drive to "LA-LA" Land (LA, Calif.) if you want to see what happens to a State when a liberal politicians are in office!!! FUCK THE ILLEGALS, FUCK CALIFORNIA, AND FUCK OBAMA!!! .....I support Jan Brewer, and Sheriff Joe 110%!!!!!

necro23coxnet
necro23coxnet

My other question is this: 

 

Where do the funds for social security and state improvements as well as state benefits come from? They come from people who are working and pay into the tax fund and SS in AZ.

 

How is it legal to allow someone to work, force them to pay taxes, then to deny them the benefits of the taxes they paid. That seems alot like stealing. 

 

Isn't Arizona the same state that a few years ago found out it's state representatives squandered our highway funds then came back to ask for another round of taxes to pay for their gaff? YES THEY DID.. Look it up folks..

 

I thought we had a state budget crisis to contend with? Aren't all these illegally working working people who will be eligible under this program going to be paying into the state coffers to pay for these same programs they will not be allowed to benefit from?

 

That's just not right. You can work and pay taxes but you get NONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS. So let them not pay taxes , then you can cry about them working here. 

 

They should be allowed to drive and pay taxes just like everyone else working legally here. Don't tell them they have to pay taxes but don't get to actually "live" here as it were.  They can get insured, and get a valid license. Thereby also paying into our highway funds.

 

Jan Brewer is a racist fogie, just like Sheriff Joke. Both have run their course and both are outdated in a social media based society that knows the rest of the world doesn't think in such antiquated manner as Arizona. Simply embarrassing for some of us Hispanics who are third generation, who have always been legal, attended and graduated college and have always paid their due taxes. 

 

Jan Brewer, You are not a native of Arizona. They are located on a reservation just east of the 101 in Phoenix. Those should be the only people complaining about people who don't belong here. 

 

Besides, who else will pay into a state fund that houses Jan Brewers Rapist mentally Ill son? It takes a lot of taxes to fund those projects even if she cut part of their budgets. That and who does she think will pay the salary of the cops who let her off of her near Drunk Driving Arrest?

 

Yes look it up Arizona, your governor and Sheriff are ruining our reputations!

 

Rebecca Clarke Robinaugh
Rebecca Clarke Robinaugh

Yes! This is just Jan's way of running counter to Obama. It's getting old; I'm so tired of her being a poor reflection of our state.

Tanner Locust
Tanner Locust

Why haven't these people who have been here all this time filed for citizenship? What's a two year license gonna do? What happens in two years? Back to square one... This isn't a solution to anything. You can't put a bandaid over cancer.

Tanner Locust
Tanner Locust

Why haven't these people who have been here all this time filed for citizenship? What's a two year license gonna do? What happens in two years? Back to square one... This isn't a solution to anything. You can't put a bandaid over cancer.

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

I would be very skeptical of this deferred action program if I were eligible to use it. In order to qualify for this two year ( that could easily be rescinded after January of 2013) deferral you must provide proof you are residing here illegally. Essentially you are admitting you are here illegally and providing the evidence needed for future deportation. If the Obama administration were serious about immigration reform they would have made a stronger play than, " we promise not to deport you and will allow you to work for two years if you give us proof you are illegal " mantra. His executive order could have been granting citizenship to those who are here illegally not by their choice.

Rexford
Rexford

Of Course These People Should Never Be Allowed To Get Drivers Licenses. President Obama Never Did Say That Their Work Permit Includes The Ability To Drive. They Can Take a Bus Or A Carpool And Leave The Driving To Other People.

Easkey Stewart
Easkey Stewart

Yes! - let insurers decide the risk. GOP shot in their foot - in a heavy Hispanic Culture, who will vote for them?

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @javierbaz Next they will be demanding free cellphones, car insurance and a free place to live.  They are not entitled to these things either.  No drivers licenses for any of them.

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @sangui of what doing illegal things yet again? Ya know that stupid ol' piece of paper that you rightwing retards hate so much?

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @pecee69 Well if they drive then it is against the law and they should be prosecuted and their cars should be towed away. And if they are caught with a drivers license that was obtained by identity theft they should be charged with felony identity theft.

sangui
sangui

 @pecee69 Bullshit! That is just a excuse. They need to be deported...

1983pasci
1983pasci

 @JoeArpaioFan

 You'd make more sense when you weren't sucking my cock!!!!!! Except you blow the MCSO so much you're used to sucking anyways.

aznative818
aznative818

 @necro23coxnet I am also a native and I am embarrassed to say I am from Arizona. There was a time that republicans and dems worked across the aisle for the betterment of all Arizonans, not anymore.

sangui
sangui

 @necro23coxnet You can go back to your home country if you don't like anything about it...And you are just a ass..We love Jan. She is doing the Job that Obie is not....

 

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @necro23coxnet You my friend are an idiot and I will tell you why.  Because the law is the law.  It is Arizona law that illegal aliens may not get drivers licenses, period!  Just because those people have gotten backdoor amnesty does not mean their illegal alien status has been taken away.  The deferred status only entitles them to a work permit, nothing further.  And Obama never promised them a drivers license.

 

You, just like all the rest of the idiots always seem to want to play the race card when the going gets tough.  Brewer has denied licenses and taxpayer assistance to all illegal aliens, not just Mexicans.  If some white person is here illegally from Canada he or she will be denied a drivers license too.  There is nothing racist about her decision.

 

I can guarantee you though that this is one fight the ACLU and others will not win.

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @Yourproductsucks Where does Obama think all these people are going to work?  I guess he thinks it is okay for these uneducated young brats to steal jobs away from struggling Americans.

ComeOutToPlay-ay
ComeOutToPlay-ay

 @Yourproductsucks From USCIS:

Will the information I share in my request for consideration of deferred action for childhood arrivals be used for immigration enforcement purposes? Information provided in this request is protected from disclosure to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) for the purpose of immigration enforcement proceedings unless the requestor meets the criteria for the issuance of a Notice To Appear or a referral to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement under the criteria set forth in USCIS’s Notice to Appear guidance (www.uscis.gov/NTA).  Individuals whose cases are deferred pursuant to the consideration of deferred action for childhood arrivals process will not be referred to ICE. The information may be shared with national security and law enforcement agencies, including ICE and CBP, for purposes other than removal, including for assistance in the consideration of deferred action for childhood arrivals request, to identify or prevent fraudulent claims, for national security purposes, or for the investigation or prosecution of a criminal offense. The above information sharing policy covers family members and guardians, in addition to the requestor.

This policy, which may be modified, superseded, or rescinded at any time without notice, is not intended to, does not, and may not be relied upon to create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by law by any party in any administrative, civil, or criminal matter.

 

The Obama Administration is serious about immigration reform -- the Dream Act. It's Congress who is not serious about immigration reform.

 

The Executive Branch cannot confer citizenship; only Congress has that authority. 

saltywench
saltywench

 @Rexford First brush up on rules for capitalization, then you can better communicate your bigotry.

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @ptcgaz You really are a jerk.  Again I tell you that you will never be given a drivers licenses because you are still an illegal alien.  You can argue all day that you are entitled to have one but you are wrong and you will not win. Let me make it perfectly clear to you that Obama never promised you a drivers license of free taxpayer assistance. he only allowed you to get a permit to work.

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @sangui no, they don't. idiots like you need to be deported. 

fairymagic13
fairymagic13

 @JoeArpaioFan You said that about SB1070  - you guaranteed the provisions would be upheld by the Supreme Court - were you lying then or just plain wrong - as usual. 

 

A deferred status does in fact make the recipient of said status - LEGALLY HERE IN THE US!

 

Dumb fuggin bigot!

 

ucimw8ting
ucimw8ting

 @JoeArpaioFan

 You are correct no matter how much nonsense others spew at you. Section 9 of our Constitution:The migration or importation of such persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight; but a tax or duty may be imposed on such importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

Obama is usurping Congress and he will pay for his indescretions with his job, and reputation.

Your parents, or Nana and Tata broke the law. Perhaps learning how American government truly works would have been the second best thing in their children's interest, next to not breaking United States Law.

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @JoeArpaioFan wow the law is the law. How about the LAW follow the LAWS it's supposed to uphold AND go after the sexual predators from El Mirage? how about that?

necro23coxnet
necro23coxnet

 @JoeArpaioFan It's Arizona Law?! Really? And this from a supported of Jan Brewer who skirts the Medical Marijuana law that we passed TWO years ago. This is completely race based and you like the rest of her sheep know ethically and ,morally it's just wrong.

 

She picks and chooses which laws she wants to support, that my friend is not a representative of the people but rather for her own interests.

 

And why with people like you does it have to come down to name calling? Such love for your fellow man.. I hold no ill will to anyone of color or creed. To do so shows just how ignorant you are.  Race card really?

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

@JoeArpaioFan I think they have to have at least a high school diploma in order to qualify for the deferral. I guess that would mean they have some form of education. There are a lot of those silly activists who purposely got arrested and have a criminal record now who are wishing they'd been smarter. Oh, and we can't ignore the dropouts who are now scrambling to pass a GED test. Bet they wish they stayed in school and listened.

necro23coxnet
necro23coxnet

 @saltywench  My other question is this: 

Where do the funds for social security and state improvements as well as state benefits come from? They come from people who are working and pay into the tax fund and SS in AZ. How is it legal to allow someone to work, force them to pay taxes, then to deny them the benefits of the taxes they paid. That seems alot like stealing. 

 

Isn't arizona the same state that a few years ago found out it's state representatives squandered out highway funds then came back to ask for another round of taxes to pay for the gaff?

 

I thought we had a state budget crisis to contend with? Aren't all these legally working working people who will be eligible under this program going to be paying into the state coffers to pay for these same programs they will not be allowed to benefit from?

 

That's just not right. You can work and pay taxes but you get NONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS. So let them not pay taxes , then you can cry about them working here. 

 

They should be allowed to drive and pay taxes just like everyone else working legally here. Don't tell them they have to pay taxes but don't get to actually "live" here as it were. 

 

Jan Brewer you are a racist fogie, just like Sheriff Joke. Both had run their course and both are outdated in a social media based society that knows the rest of the world doesn't thing in such antiquated manner as Arizona. Simply embarrassing for some of us Hispanics who are third generation who have always been legal, attended and graduated college and have always paid their due taxes. 

 

Jan Brewer, You are not a native of Arizona. They are located on a reservation just east of the 101 in Phoenix. Those should be the only people complaining about people who don't belong here. 

 

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @JoeArpaioFan need I remind you again asshole that I have a valid AZ driver's license? Need I remind you yet again, that I was born in Ohio, WHICH the last time I checked was part of the US (in fact for much longer than Arizona) that has as a state fought against idiots like you in the 1860s?

 

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @JoeArpaioFan what true is that? and btw you don't like being threatened with deportation, how do you think other American citizens who have been jailed for 4 months felt? 

It's called turning the tables and EMPATHY which is something you lack asstard. Go play in traffic.

robert_graham
robert_graham

 @ptcgaz Deport an American citizen?  You just don't like hearing facts do you?

necro23coxnet
necro23coxnet

 @saltywench Sorry about the typos folks, I am very flustered for those folks who cannot stand up for themselves.

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