Jared Loughner Not Entirely Convinced That Gabrielle Giffords Is Alive

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The competency report for Jared Loughner was released yesterday, and while the forensic psychologist reported that Loughner was competent to enter a plea, she noted several concerns about Loughner and his mental illness.

Loughner -- who pleaded guilty earlier this week to 19 charges related to last year's Tucson shooting where six people died and 13 were injured -- was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and the 11-page report details some of the intricacies of his behavior while being treated at a federal mental-health facility in Missouri.

Among other things, the report mentions that Loughner previously denied the fact that former Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords is alive, and even toward the end of his treatment, there was no indication that he accepted it as true.

"Throughout this evaluation, Mr. Loughner has made comments suggesting he believes Representative Giffords is deceased and her death was 'faked,'" psychologist Christina Pietz writes. "In July 2011, Mr. Loughner made comments suggesting he acknowledged Representative Giffords was alive. When he returned to this facility on October 12, 2011, he again began calling her death 'fake.'"

The report says that a few months later, Loughner told the psychologist he was just "fucking with" her."

"I just wanted to see what you would say," Loughner purportedly said.

When the psychologist asked him questions about that, she says Loughner exclaimed, "Well, she's dead to me."

A little more than a week later, Pietz tried again to find out whether Loughner believed Giffords was dead or alive, and what he meant by his comments.

"That I failed. I'm not an assassin," he said. "That I ruined my life for nothing. I think differently now."

In that same interview, Loughner began to refer to himself in the third person, and indicated that he wasn't sure if Giffords was dead or alive.

"It's another failure if she's alive," he said. "Jared Loughner failed again. He's a failure. So all of this would be for nothing."

A week after that, Loughner "spontaneously" told the psychologist, "I saw her on TV yesterday. I saw her do the pledge."

Pietz notes that Loughner didn't mention anything about Giffords faking her death during that talk, but the very next day, he voiced another opinion.

"I saw her walk into her office for the last time. She's going to the state of the union address," Loughner said. "I swear to you that's not the woman I shot. The woman I shot in the head died instantly. No one could survive that gunshot wound to the head."

As of the day Pietz wrote the report -- April 24 -- it wasn't clear exactly what Loughner believed.

Since January 24, there have been times, that he acknowledges she is alive," she wrote. "However, more recently, when I asked him about the status of Representative Giffords he simply states 'I don't want to talk to you about that.'"

Pietz has a few explanations for Loughner's inconsistent statements on Giffords' death, including that he simply may not know that a gunshot to the head doesn't automatically mean someone's dead.

There's also about 10 seconds of video footage of the shooting outside the Safeway store in Tucson, where Giffords was holding a "Congress on Your Corner" event before she and the others were shot.

He has referred to this footage as "fake" too.

Loughner continued to "dispute a few things in the video" up until the time of the report, more than a year later.

Still, Pietz said it didn't affect her opinion on Loughner's competency.

"Despite his belief that Representative Giffords may be deceased or that 10 seconds of the video footage is 'fake,' in my opinion, his assessment, understanding, and ability to make decisions about this case is based on reality," the report says. "Just because he believes the death is 'fake' or that he was holding a gun in a certain way does not necessarily compromise these abilities."

The report, which can be found below, also includes other aspects of Loughner's time at the mental-health facility, including his interactions with others, and his perceptions about the case against him.

Loughner Competency Report


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19 comments
marcy
marcy

Joe Arpaio should have a competency exam, I don't think he's firing on all cylinders either.

pecee69
pecee69

so if you commit a crime when you are crazy out of your mind then, after medicaion and therapy, you are deemed competent you can be held responsible for what you did when you were crazy, can someone explain the logic in that?

robert_graham
robert_graham topcommenter

She's alive alright and she will be sending her goons to fuck up Loughner and beat him into a coma.  He will receive such a severe beating that he is bound to go into cardiac arrest.

QstionEvythng
QstionEvythng

The whole thing is sad.  The unnecessary deaths.  The destroyed lives.  The destroyed families.  This psychotic young man.  The fact that he wasn't able to recognize his psychosis (and no one else recognized it) and he wasn't put into treatment before committing this violence.  I can't think of any other word but sad.

mmmirele
mmmirele

I do know the plea deal gives closure to the families and I don't want to take that away from them, but I'm not sure a plea deal should have been accepted from Loughner. If this is what passes for legal competency...*shudder*. As far as I'm concerned, the guy is whack.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14 topcommenter

Let's see, according to the report, he is competent to stand trial but may decompensate,(become overtly psychotic) during the trial if it becomes overly stressful to him.

So, while he may be competent enough to understand the legal process involved, there is no gaurantee that he would not require more treatment to remain competent for the duration of the proceedings.

BUT, is somebody who is still exhibiting psychotic symptoms(denying that Gabby is alive) competent to understand the charges brought against him?

This is the problem with the way the legal system deals with mental illness, plus, now that he has accepted the plea deal, will he go to a secure facility where he will continue to receive treatment or will he be put in a super-max where the isolation and lack of meaningful treatment will cause him to spend the rest of his life in a floridly psychotic state?

 

I'll put my money on door #2

marcy
marcy

 @pecee69 That's not what it is about.  He can't be tried until it is determined that he is competent to understand the charges against him and participate in his defense.

 

It has nothing to do the underlying charges.

jon49417
jon49417

 @JoeArpaioFan your tin foil chapeaux is showing. i thought you were just a wacky wannabe cop/politician but nooo......... too bad her husband cant have 5 minutes with him 

wgs84
wgs84

 @LegitQuestions Loughner was on the radar of PCSO. Dupnick is responsible for ignoring the situation of multiple calls from Loughner's parents and others that he was nuts.

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @shadeaux14 yeah, that's well stated and makes sense. It seems to me that most states here don't worry about mental health. All they worry about are conviction rates. 

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @yellowLiberal actually no, Loughner was a libertarian WHICH isn't even close to being liberal moron..

shadeaux14
shadeaux14 topcommenter

 @DOOLEY Just because you don't understand the big words, you don't have to take it out on me. Ask mommy to get you "Hooked on Phonics"

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @DOOLEY really, you are ever so stupid. You need to learn how to shut your mouth and to stop and think before you type.

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @DOOLEY oh really? ever heard the words "sticks and stones break my bones, but words never hurt me" fuck you asshole.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14 topcommenter

 @DOOLEY My god you're easy to manipulate. Just a few posts and I've got you foaming at the mouth. You're one of those people who have a huge red button on their forehead that says "PUSH ME"

ptcgaz
ptcgaz

 @DOOLEY lol you sound like one of those pussies that always tries to get people like me who are pacifists to fight you. I don't fight people because I do not like hurting them, no matter how stupid or crazy they are. However if some idiot like yourself goes ahead and hits me, well then I will hurt you. Keep that in mind asshat.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14 topcommenter

 @DOOLEY I used to walk onto a psych unit where one of the patients was 7' 4" tall and weighed 485 lbs. He was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

 

Now, if he didn't scar me, what makes you think a momma's boy like you could.

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