El Mirage Officials Withholding Accident Stats at Intersection with Speed Camera Until After Election, Despite Councilman's Request for Data

I had the pleasure to mee the Pastor of the little white church on el Mirage Rd.  He is a great young man and he really loves his calling and the people love him, especially the kids.  His service was beautiful and the message was about serving one another.   I congratulated him for his efforts to rebuild and remodel the church and for making an impact in el mirage.  he told me that it was his privilege to help and serve the community.  I see the efforts of our city officals and their commitment to help organization like the churches.  When we work together we can accomplish a lot.  so why does the group of linda kleiner continue to cause problems.  I hear that her family is a bunch of bums and unemployed like she is.  let her trash be trash like she is,  

i have lived in el mirage all of my life (62 years) and i have seen a lot of people come and go and even the city elected officials.  I remember our little town and how we the hispanic people held it all together without anyones help.  i have been seeing lately a lot of improvements around town and even a local church on el mirage rd has gone out of their efforts to make the building look great.  Last week I was inquiring about that little church at the Dysart Community Center and I was told that the Pastor there has been working very hard in the community and with the kids. I attend the local Catholic Church in town and I was impressed by the complete remodel of the church on el mirage rd.  If a little church can be this influential to the community and if our elected city officials  can continue to work with the community, I as a life long resident I can only see great things on the horizon.    My worry is idiots and assholes like the group led by this fat and disgusting person named Linda Kleiner.  Many residents that I know have told my wife and I of this person and how she uses people to create problems within our town. This crazy person has not lived in El Mirage since the beginning and she has no right to lie about our town.  Who is she? What are credentials?  What has she given to the town and the people? What is her experience and background? What is her family like? What are her adult kids like?  It seems like she likes to put down our town and make us the hispanic people look like we are poor and worthless.  She doesn't know us and how our kids are now in college educating themselves to help our town get even better. What has her adult kids done for the community and what has been her adult kids great contributions to our town? and or how have they helped the community.  We like the improvements and the way the city is moving forward and yes there is always things that need to be done first in our town, like the helping of the older homes, the children, the seniors and the older buildings.  It is hard to get our needs taken care all at once but I hope the city has a plan for the people first.  I hope that our Mayor and our city officals remember that the people come first. This crazy person  Linda, only looks out for herself and her family.  I will attend the little white church this week with my family and hopefully I can meet the Pastor.  I want to congratulate him for his tremendous tenacity to lead in our town by his calling to help everyone.  My neighbors tell me that their kids walk five streets down from the church just to come to a learning program that is free of charge to any kid.  Maybe the idiots that only have crap to say about our town could learn from leaders like this and us the real hard working residents of this town.  So to this Linda lady, get a job and get off your big ass and help those that are working hard to clean up and help rebuild our town. If she has any CHARACTER, maybe she can post her credentials and a list things that she has personally done to help our community.  Who in the hell is she?  We don't need her filth and bs.

El Mirage resident since birth. married man to my wife whom is also a life long resident of el mirage, father of 4 kids, one graduating from Grand Canyon University with a Degree in Child Psychology. 

   The real story is that Arizona's definition of an intersection is contrary to Federal Law. The Federal definition of the beginning of an intersection is the first cross walk line (the first one a driver would cross).  The reason for this is it is not desirable or safe to have cars stopped at the red light on top of the crosswalk.

   Once a car has entered the crosswalk it must clear said crooswalk for the pedestrians at the end of the green light cycle. Imagine children on the way to school meandering through stopped traffic while attempting to stay in a crosswalk.  

   The Cities participating in this program have been duped by the photo citation companies to endanger children and pedestrians solely for the pursuit of profit.  

   Now they hide the truth. Had enough?

Well since the Police Department will not pull it themselves, I did it for you.  Lets see how long they leave this information up on the internet before it disappears.  But I screen captured it all so I can prove the data is/was there if anyone wants proof.  This also shows just how clueless the city and police leadership are.  They even post the information as a link on their website.  If you really want to cover up something, you should do it right.  I pulled the last 6 months of traffic accidents for the intersection of Grand ave and Primrose where the camera is that the mayor and PD and city manager have been saying is so dangerous.  In the last 6 months, there have been 8 accidents at that specific intersection. All were accidents with no injuries and they occurred on 3/23, 4/2, 5/24, 5/29, 6/4, 6/23, 7/9, and 7/19.  None in the last month.  Now lets see how fast they pull the information off of the internet because the PD controls what information gets reported to this site, but if you go to www.raidsonline.com you can get this information for El Mirage and when you pull up the map, click on data grid and it can be sorted etc.  As I said I have a copy of the data so if they do pull it mysteriously after I am sure one of their cronies will tell them about it, I can prove it was there and it will just prove how bad this group is because they do not want you to know the radar is for money only and not safety.  So come on Chief, City Manager, Council, Mayor.  Release it to McPhetres right away.  It took me about 3 minutes to get this info.  I am sure the high quality people you have can get it just as fast from their system.  We now know from that website you post data to that there were only 8 accidents in 6 months and none had injuries. 

Thanks to everyone who has requested the information. The response has been great and I am glad to provide it. As I have said to everyone who has responded, this is all information that is open to the public. 

I refuse to talk with you anymore. If you are so right and I am so wrong then have the guts to use your real name and stop hiding. Anyone out there who wants the documents to back up what I am saying can email me at arizona1234@cox.net and I will provide them. 

Roy Delgado did not do anything by himself it was done by the council and Roger was part of the team that brought Aarons, Valero and Auto Zone in. We have had a rainy day fund since 2003. If he was such a part of the city planning why did he sue the city for the council not including in city business and get a $45,000.00 payout

Your right Alice Oritz was on the council during a dark time in our city. However it was not Alice who was leading the city alone, At the top we had Mayor Roy Delgado. Under his leadership we went deep into debt and had uncontrolled growth. Now 12 years later here he is again running for reelection. What has he done for us now...higher water rates,higher trash rates,higher sewer rates and higher taxes. He is also part of the group who didn't tell the whole truth in the bond election about how much the YMCA would cost. The leaders including Mayor Mook and as you all say the best city manager we have ever had were very slick in the wording you put out the citizens. You all gave the citizens the impression that the total cost would be $2.5 million to build and furnish the YMCA, but what you were really saying was that was all you were going to be able to borrow on a bond, not the total cost. I commend you for being able to misrepresent the true fact to the public with a straight face. But as all twisted facts, the truth does come out at some point. As you said no one will be turned away from the YMCA, no you can't do that, they just wont be able to join if they can't pay the membership.Again I commend you for being so gifted in twisting the true facts in such a manner. Before you say I am lazy and can't take my family to a movie let me say I am not lazy, as I have to spend hours looking over all the shady things you all want to and have done to the citizens since you took office. As for the movies I did take my family to the movies to see Brave (don't take small kids). Thank you for being so concerned about me. After my illness I can tell you I am felling fine.

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The reasons to withhold the data on the safety results are equally obvious. It is very likely that there have been no safety improvements, and perhaps safety is actually lower.

If there are no significant safety results, then every elected and appointed official who ever supported the camera program needs to be replaced. Those responsible for withholding the information need to be fired for not releasing the data on a timely basis.

James C. Walker, National Motorists Association, Ann Arbor, MI

Of course they will not release it.  It will prove what people have been saying all along.  It is strictly a moneymaker and has nothing  to do with public safety.  How do you think they justified hiring 5 or 6 more people?  If the analyst can not pull that data in 5 minutes, then the department needs a new analyst.  The system most police out here use allows you to search for traffic accidents within a radius and not only will it list them, it will also map them for the analyst.  Isn't this public information that is readily available?  Isn't this punishable under the public records request laws?  When will the citizens of El Mirage wake up and vote all the incumbents out this election?  Just remember it takes 50% plus 1 to elect them without a run off.  You can select up to three names, but you do not have to select three.  You can use  one or two votes for the non-incumbents and not vote the third vote.  It does not invalidate the ballot unless you go over three so if you want change, do not waste your vote on those you do not want in office.

We are not trying to make the three councilmen look bad. They are doing a good job themselves. I will take Councilman McPhetres ideas any time. Of the 205 or so votes this council has made Councilman McPhetres has only voted no when it involved raising taxes,fees and putting the city clerk and attorney under the city manager. So I guess if he is odd man out so are the rest of them. Can't you understand that the city does not belong to just the few of you and that if a person does not agree with you they are not a nut job. The bond only passed by three votes so you all do not have a mandate. Please act like grown ups and as I said stop hiding behind a fake name. Man up Shapera, Selby and Delgado and speak up for yourselves.

arizona1234

The real story is that we never hear from the three people who are running for reelection, Shapera, Selby and Delgado. Come on men speak up ,defend yourself. Shapera you say that there is a study done in Arizona that shows cameras help save lives, then great where is it publish it here so we can all see it. I for one am all for saving lives. It seems that we have a police department that is frozen with fear. Politicians are running our police department telling them what they can do and not do, citizens of El Mirage beware this is very scary. There was a politician in Germany who had total control of the police and we all know where that lead.

They are probably making sure these 'stats' are not biased.

Certain comments which are baseless libelous statements about restraining orders & hiding etc. are from "pussies".  This vile sewer trash disseminates and perpetuates this swill to distract from the facts.  These retarded comments are from the gutless low life and their short sighted mindless minds.  This city has nothing to be proud of.  Mook has her puppet Isom lie and she swears to it.  This is nothing more than a "shell" game.  "The tree rots from the top down".  These city officials make anyone want to puke, and you know what you do with puke... flush it !

Lets talk about the facts.  In October of 2010 Mook and the People of El Mirge fought to take the city attorney and the city clerk out from under the power of BJ Cornwall and place them under the council. They wanted this because they said that he had to much power and they wanted more transparency. The old council under Michelle Kern did just that. Then low and behold in April of 2011 when Mook and her gang took power they put the city attorney and city clerk under the city manager again. So what do we have, people who wait months for public records requests and a city attorney and clerk who can't do their jobs for fear of being fired. Come clean and say who you are lets have a grownup conversation, because right now you look like a school yard bully.

Linda, now that other post has me wondering if you have requested an early ballot or if you will still be in hiding and miss the polls? If thebusinesses follow through will this be the second restraining order or third?

Monica, I would think that someone who is being paid to report the truth would know that August is NOT the electon.  August is merely the primary to determine whose names will be on the ballot for the ELECTION in November.  There is a difference between a primary and an election in case you didn't know.  I would expect McPheters to be confused by such technical terms but I would expect you to know the difference. 

I think they have proven time and again that cameras do not help make intersections, OR highways after and cause delays, accidents and generally cost the government more money than they are worth. Screw the private companies that wanna make millions off of us.

My name is Linda Kleiner. I am asking the other side of this issue to also use their real names and not do what they have been dong in these blogs under made up names. If you feel that you are right then have the guts to stand up and say so. This part of Grand Ave and Primrose according to states the city provided had 39 accidents from June 2008 to July 2011. According to the Maricopa Association of Governments (MAG)  there were about 42,000,000 autos that passed by. during this time If you do the math that's a 1 in a million chance of having an accident, pretty safe bet you won't have a crash. That's why you didn't do an official crash study because you knew Mayor Mook and  Dr.Isom that you could not make a good case for the camera other then a money grab. Time to answer the people is NOW not in September. You are betting that the citizens don't care,are nut jobs or just plain stupid ,well as the vice mayor says we will see in the next election.

I think  "There is nothing further to report at this time." translates to "Uhm, Fuck You."