Joe Arpaio's New Birther "Evidence," as Usual, Was Debunked Months Ago

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Chief birther bullshitter Mike Zullo.
If you're among the people who are still on the fence about President Obama's birth certificate, or think that Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his birther gang are presenting anything remotely credible, this one's for you.

Just like Arpaio's announcement on March 1 that he had evidence Obama's using a phony birth certificate, his birther buddies are using recycled theories -- theories that were debunked months before Arpaio and friends presented them to the world as "evidence."

Not only are the theories false -- which, unfortunately, we'll explain -- Arpaio and his buddies presented information to the public that they know is false.

The best "evidence" Arpaio and the birthers presented was that penciled-in codes on the birth certificate don't match federal guidelines, which they claim to believe is clear evidence of a forgery (see their video here).

In one box on Obama's birth certificate, there's a box titled "race of father," which is filled in as "African." The number nine is penciled in next to it.

Arpaio and lead "investigator" Mike Zullo say that according to the federal guide in 1961 -- the year of Obama's birth -- that number nine meant "unknown or not stated."

That's false, and it's nearly impossible that Arpaio's birther gang didn't know that.

After approximately two minutes on the Internet -- no, we didn't have to blow $10,000 on a trip to Hawaii -- we found this exact theory, and the documentation proving it false, from Obama Conspiracy Theories.

The coding for the number nine in the race meant "unknown or not stated" in the guide for 1968. In 1961, it meant "other nonwhite."

On top of that, Arpaio's birther pals conveniently cropped the area of the 1968 guide to omit the fact that they were referring to a section called "race of child," not "race of father." (Click here for the whole document.)

The birther gang proceeded to call the 95-year-old woman who coded and signed Obama's birth certificate to ask her if she made this error, and she said she did not -- because the accusation is false.

The other theory about the Nordyke twins and sequential numbering was also lifted by Arpaio and friends from the same authors of the race theory, and has also been debunked.

That leaves Arpaio and friends with stories about how nobody wanted to play their birther games in Hawaii, as they went around claiming to be police officers and asking for documents, as well as more "forensic computer analysis."

All of the computer things have consistently been debunked, and a quick Google search for Garrett Papit -- the guy who did the latest one -- will show you that this gentleman has been involved in birther theories on the Internet for more than a year now.

For the rest of you who never bought an ounce of Arpaio's "investigation" anyway, we apologize for wasting your time.

UPDATE: Thanks to the reader who pointed out that the Fogbow is in the process of more thoroughly debunking the claims.



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painting4237
painting4237

Everyone knows that Obama is a fake, His birth certificate is a fake. This has been proven by the best men in their field, that do these type of analysis's. His school friend, Mia Pope(look her up) says oust Obama, because he's a foreigner. She said during school , she told everyone he was a foreigner ,from Indonesia. That he smoked a whole lot of crack-cocaine with older men, and he was very much gay, and would have sex with only older men. Obama himself, as of late has said, "I kill better than anyone else". Was this statement about the four gay lovers he had murdered to become President? Did he tell Congress about the crematoriums he had put into the larger Fema camps?Did he tell Congress about the guillitines, on the military bases?Why is Obama dumping all our Military Leaders? Terrorism....That's why!

barrysoetoro847
barrysoetoro847

Are you saying that the sheriff PURPOSELY came up with a FALSE claim?  Wouldn't he get in trouble for that?  Eric Holder hasn't said a word, curious.

barrysoetoro847
barrysoetoro847

This article didn't convince me.  Just rant at the sheriff, no sources of info being referred to.

barrysoetoro847
barrysoetoro847

This article didn't convince me.  Nothing specific, just rant at the sheriff.

senorequis1776
senorequis1776

Look the bottom line with the birther thing is that it's Obama's fault, 95%, and the other 4% is Hillary's fault for her oppo research people putting the rumor out through 'right wingers' in 2007 early 2008.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii

Obama pretended to be foreign born long enough that he fooled his publisher. Innocent mistake by a ditzy publicist my ass. It's why he's never released any school records and why Donald Trump got insulted so fanatically when he asked Obama to release them until the Donald found his upcoming casino projects threatened and backed off. Because asking how someone did in school or whether they registered as a foreign student to get scholarship money is RAAAACCCCIIIIIIISSSSST, obviously. Dubya's poor grades at Yale were just a joke but nobody treated them like they were the alien bodies at Area 51. I don't recall Clinton's academic record being a supersecret either. Why is every aspect of Obama's past sacrosanct and untouchable, while the NSA knows every aspect of our existence? Privacy clearly isn't for us little people.

Obama's records are hidden most likely because he pretended to be a foreign student (just like the postman who did the mail route to a house where Obama benefactors lived told Corsi) back in the early 1980s. Period. And because his first job out of college was with a CIA front company, and his grandmama and Timmy Geithner's Daddy were Ford Foundation CIA front men and women together back in the 1960s in Indonesia:

http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1852/article_detail.asp

senorequis1776
senorequis1776

And the 'debunkers' always rely on some chickencrap little detail and argue it death, rather than the fact that Obama held back his birth certificate for so long (unlike McCain) to use it as a prop later, has hidden his school records, and has at least enough to FOOL his publisher identified as Kenyan or foreign student at various times in his life. None of which proves he wasn't born in the U.S., but it does strongly suggest he's pretended to be a foreigner at various times in his life.

OperationNorthwoods
OperationNorthwoods

Not sure how scientific and forensic evidence found through 2 different independent sources constitutes "theories" but I suppose that's how PhoenixNewTimes propaganda works.

DaveNichols
DaveNichols

10,000.00 probably bought Zullo several "Cold Cases" of Hawain Beer?

dle46163
dle46163

Dear Matthew Hendley, if the number nine means "other nonwhite" then apparently Obama's birth certificate shouldn't say University under 'Kind of business or Industry'. If you would have actually looked at the Whitehouse document you would have noticed more than one field marked with the number nine. Oh, and you realize ANYONE can have a website and say anything they want... so you until you fly to Hawaii and do some real research, I think I'll take the word of a trained investigator over an idiot web journalist that cites theories from other websites.

theoddfellow
theoddfellow

You got that RIGHT! Corrupt NUTBAG, Dirty, Liar, sob, Arpaio, needs a hole to crawl into the scumbag along with all the cops in Phoenix. They are all liars, thieves, drunks, Poole 5011# the drunk. Send them all to Iraq/Desert whatever, so they can be done away with instead of our  young kids who deserve to  be home with their families.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

Phoenix DESERVES this Corrupt Nutbag as Sheriff.

realitycheck1776
realitycheck1776

I emailed Mr. Zullo and told him he had used  the incorrect race codes for 1961 on the evening of the press conference. He forwarded my question to Jerome Corsi. Corsi replied and wanted the codes. I sent him the 1961 guide that @DrConspiracy had received through his FOIA request. Corsi replied that  Dr. C was wrong and he had the actual 1961 codes. I asked Mr. Corsi to send me his a copy and a source for the codes. I also asked him why the CCP had not interviewed the "mole" inside the Hawaii Department of Health who Mr. Corsi had claimed told him that the LFBC was going to be released before it actually was. Mr. Corsi has not replied to either request.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

The article above  says: "On top of that, Arpaio's birther pals conveniently cropped the area of the 1968 guide to omit the fact that they were referring to a section called "race of child," not "race of father." (Click here for the whole document.)"

 

That's messed up. The second hyperlink points to the 1961 code book, not the 1968 codes referenced in the paragraph. Further in the 1968 book, it is specified that the same codes are used for parent and child. There's nothing invalid about the cropping. It is the document itself that's a fraud.

verbalobe
verbalobe

Intriguing. A $10,000+ boondoggle to Hawaii, and the only "evidence" they come up with is based (allegedly) on a phone call. Newsflash for the Shuriff: phone calls can be made from anywhere. You don't have to travel to the place you're calling.

garyd552
garyd552

Mama said life was like a box of chocolates. Mama eat the hell out of some chocolates. From the youtube video Forest vs the dude on slingblade. Reminds me of our current GOP party.

battyattybasher
battyattybasher

""forensic computer analysis"  Known to the rest of us as  "looking up whacked-out theories on conspiracy web sites."

Did ArPiehole spend taxpayer dollars on this farcical expedition?

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

Thanks for the shout out to the Obama Conspiracy Theories blog. We appreciate your cutting coverage of Sheriff Arpaio.

Jimmy
Jimmy

Then on June 25, 2012 The President signed Executive Order 13617 (or Blocking Property of the Government of the Russian Federation Relating to the Disposition of Highly Enriched Uranium Extracted From Nuclear Weapons) which...you guess it..." hereby declare a national emergency." http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-06-27/pdf/2012-15954.pdf  Is this the America you want to live in?

Jimmy
Jimmy

I encourage all the nay-sayers to review Executive Order 13603 (or the National Defense Resources Preparedness) signed by our President on March 16, 2012. In Section 201 It gives the government agencies, in times of national emergency, the power to commandeer "all forms of energy," "to all forms of civil transportation", "to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials." as well as co-oping health, food and water resources. Later, in Section 502 to grants the power "to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation."  Without compensation? Yep, without compensation. Flame me, mock me, but after you do, check out http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf for yourself. Is this the America you want to live in?

Allan Bartlett
Allan Bartlett

Your asshole is corrupt from the amount of arpaio sauce that squirts in you. How you doing snooki?

Allan Bartlett
Allan Bartlett

oh roland, you fuck the shurff and when the marinara sauce dribbles out, swallow it.

David Saint
David Saint

love your use of treason in your comment..nice tactic..doesnt work though lol 

David Saint
David Saint

lol thats the definition of insanity...fitting either way

geerterri
geerterri

@senorequis1776 

"Obama's records are hidden most likely because he pretended to be a foreign student"

Not at all. It's because school records are not public records. And haven't been since 1974. You cannot even get a copy through a FOIA request.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@senorequis1776 ... it's Obama's fault that douchbag pig-ignorant Teatards and Repuglykkkans are dumber than a bucket of dirt ??

geerterri
geerterri

@senorequis1776 

"the fact that Obama held back his birth certificate for so long"

The fact is that he didn't withhold it. He presented it, when he didn't have to, in 2008. Unfortunately a bunch of loons decided that the bc was a forgery and that he was actually born in Kenya.

DonkeyHotay
DonkeyHotay topcommenter

@senorequis1776 

Fact -- John McShame is NOT a Natural Born U$ Citizen, he was born in Panama BEFORE it was incorporated U$ territory.


theoddfellow
theoddfellow

GEE! I like what you said about them all in that corrupt city of Phoenix Az.

They are all liars, thieves, nuts, Drunks, Drug Addicts, starting with Barney Fife Arpaio, ending with that scumbag wanna be cop drunk #5011 Ha! Ha!

garyd552
garyd552

 @DrConspiracy I hope you didn't mean that cutting the stupid crap got in your way of self masturbation, or undulating orgasms over Obama being born in Kenya, which was not an African state at the time.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

@Jimmy Yes, I would like to live in a country that responds to sloppy handling of nuclear material by Russia.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

 @garyd552 It is possible that you misunderstood my comment. Barack Obama was born in Honolulu at the Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital on August 4, 1961. Perhaps my use  of "cutting" was not the best and I should have used its synonym "incisive". My comment was direct, praising the NewTimes coverage, and not being snarky.

DrKennethNoisewater
DrKennethNoisewater

Projection is very unbecoming of you Gary.  Obama wasn't born in Kenya and to claim he was stands in the face of reality.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

@HistorianDude @DrConspiracy Anybody can see that the 1986 codes could not have been used to produce the published 1961 report. The breakdowns are different. Zullo got punked by a birther blog that originally faked the manual (you can see from detailed marks and dust specks that his manual came straight off The Daily Pen web site.)  If the Cold Case Posse were really investigators, they would have checked their source instead of printing lies that had been proven false even before the Cold Case Posse re-published them.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

@HistorianDude @DrConspiracy To call the clowns of the Cold Case Posse "authoritative" is absurd. Every thing in their so-called investigation (mostly copied from Jerome Corsi's book and birther blogs) has been totally discredited, from the Zebest report on the PDF which contradicts their Pappit report on the PDF, both of which are ignorant nonsense easily disproven just by scanning a form with a Xerox 7655 WorkCenter to PDF.


The federal manuals can be obtained directly from the Department of Health and Human Services (the way I got them) and you don't have to trust me.



senorequis1776
senorequis1776

@DrConspiracy @HistorianDude You know what would've been game over Dr.? Obama releasing a simple pre-photoshop era copy of his birth certificate. I have one from 1988 several years after I was born in my files, banged out on a real typewriter and you can still see the genuine typewriter impressions. I used it to sign up for peewee football and other youth sports. Which apparently requires more ID than running for President of the United States does. Then it would've been game over. 

Instead Obama played this bullshit Alinsky tactic game of 'I'm going to try to make everyone who questions my bona fides look nuts by holding back my birth certificate for three years after McCain released his in 2008' mindgames. Then nobody would pay any attention to the Posse's claims that this is an early 2011 Adobe job with losta layering a simple printed hard copy shouldn't have. And Obama lovers like you think trolling one's political opponents by playing such games is just great!

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/17/The-Vetting-Barack-Obama-Literary-Agent-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii


Besides, Breitbart.com proved beyond much doubt Obama pretended to be foreign born back in the early 1990s to his publicist. Ditzy biographer's mistake my ass, all of that stuff gets sent by any competent publicist to the author to be carefully vetted even before the proofs are sent out. Obama was either too lazy to check it and correct his publicist or he was lying to him or her.

Again, I'm NOT a birther. I am 100% certain though Obama has bullshitted repeatedly about his past and constructed all sorts of narratives about himself from childhood. Which is the classic pattern of an abandoned child. As I wrote above I don't understand if Dubya's straight C's at Yale aren't sacrosanct why is any mention of Obama's perhaps posing as a foreign student for scholarship $ RAAAAAAAAAACCCCCIIIIIIIIIIST?

TheRealHistorianDude
TheRealHistorianDude

 @HistorianDude 

For those who care, the real HistorianDude (me) is a long time anti-Birther who has been posting on many different forums starting with the Texas Darling Blog back in 2008. Those familiar with me have already figured out that this "HistorianDude" is a pathetic Birther who must somehow be deeply intimidated by my work elsewhere. Needless to say, the dishonesty that inspires his identity theft persists in his error prone and disingenuous arguments.  I suggest that he not just get a life, but get one of his own.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

 @HistorianDude Just typing on your computer doesn't make it true, and in fact the Codes in the Cold Case Posse video are in direct contradiction to the 1961 natality report. Specifically it lists categories as separate that the CCP codes lump together. And, who by the way are these "well trained qualified experts?" I've not seen any experts named, just some birthers with no credentials. Also, where is the transcript of Verna Lee's conversation. Given that they lied about the images in the video, why should anyone believe them about anything?

 

Since they refuse to name names, produce documents, specify experts and provide any hard evidence, I say to hell with them.

HistorianDude
HistorianDude

 @DrConspiracy

 Sir, the Maricopa Country Sheriff Departments findings are precise and final. The 1968 codes are posted online and they are consistent with the 1961 natality report and Verna's recollection. Mrs Verna Lee, the former local registrar, confirmed their findings, particularly code #9. She would know. She is still 'sharp as a tack'. Your deception doesn't hold weight compared to the CCP Investigators final conclusions based on their well trained qualified experts.

DrConspiracy
DrConspiracy

 @HistorianDude In my article last March, I did write 1961 when I should have written 1960, but this was immaterial to the article and its conclusions.

 

As for your other points, they are nonsense. One doesn't have to make the coders combine data into one code; computers can do that. There's no contradiction. Also there is no fax involved in any of this. DHHS mailed me a paper copy.

 

Your final point, however is not only false, it proves beyond a doubt that  Arpaio and crew lied and proves it without having to use my document. The 1961 Natality Report in a footnote to table 2-4 says: "Includes 126 births to Aleuts and 612 births to Eskimos." The cold case posse table doesn't have separate codes for Aleut and Eskimo and so those numbers could not have been tabulated from the table the posse claims was in effect.

 

That is GAME OVER.

naeko
naeko

 @HistorianDude the 1960 form says:Race and color Births in the United States in 1960 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”  That's a direct quote!

HistorianDude
HistorianDude

 @DrConspiracy

 There are several problems with Dr Conspiracy (A devoted Obama supporter) claims. He is not a authoritative expert just like the Fogbow members. On the other hand. The Maricopa Sheriffs Department, a authoritative law enforcement agency are..

 

 He says, for example:

 

"In 1961 Hawaii, for the first time, participated in the National Center of Health Statistics statistical report on births, 1961 Vital Statistics of the US – Volume 1: Natality (VSUS)".

 

    This is not true. Hawaii participated in the 1960 natality report, which can be seen here: link to 1960 Natality Report In the document Dr. Conspiracy claims to have obtained by a freedom of information request, it gives separate coding categories for Aleut, Eskimo, Filipino, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian, supposedly used in 1960 and 1961. The 1960 Natality Report says that those classifications were simply lumped together as "other races."

 

 The 1961 Report specifically says: "Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite." Dr. Conspiracy's alleged coding document doesn't allow for Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian to be combined.

 

   More problems: the heading on Dr. Conspiracy's alleged document refers to a "Vital Statistics Programming Branch" ... after a google search for this exact phrase, the only results go to Dr. Conspiracy's site. As for the other organization, the "Division of Data Processing" ... this wasn't formed until 1963:

 

The 1968 codes are posted online and they are consistent with the 1961 natality report and Verna's recollection. Dr. Conspiracy's fax, not so much.

geerterri
geerterri

@senorequis1776 @DrConspiracy @HistorianDude 

There are a lot of people who do not have their original BC and request copies of them from the State where they were born. They all look similar to the one that Obama presented. All 50 states issue these now, instead of certified copies of the original form.

If you requested a copy of your birth certificate today, yours would look like one from someone who was born today.


School records have not been public since 1974. Which means that you have no right to them. Period.


I wouldn't rely on breitbart for factual information. Most of what I have read on that site has nothing to do with actual facts, and everything to do with conspiracies and wishful thinking.

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