Karl "Jack" Frost Says Jogger in Bike Lane Shoved Him, and That He's Ex-Cop With CCW Permit and No Felony Record

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Karl "Jack" Frost says he was within his rights to try to effect a citizen's arrest on Wednesday of a jogger who he says had assaulted him.

Karl "Jack" Frost admits he tried to make a citizen's arrest of a man who was jogging in a bike lane, but that Gilbert police got most of the story wrong.

Frost, 47, says the main notion he wants to dispel is that he was in illegal possession of a .40-caliber Glock because of a supposed previous felony arrest. In fact, he says, he has a state-issued concealed-carry permit and also just became a U.S. citizen last year -- both of which would not be true if he was a convicted felon.


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Karl "Jack" Frost shows off his concealed-weapon permit and security guard card.

Describing himself as a 14-year veteran of London's Metropolitan police force, Frost says he was within his rights to detain the 52-year-old jogger because the man had shoved him without provocation.

Gilbert police deliberately released the info about an alleged felony arrest "in a tainted fashion," Frost says in his British accent. "They know this is gonna be a lawsuit."

A phone call to Gilbert police wasn't immediately returned on Friday afternoon.

Yesterday, the police department issued a news release containing several incidents, one of which was the bicyclist-on-jogger altercation. According to that release, Frost called police dispatch and told them he was making a citizen's arrest of a man who had been jogging in a bike lane.

Gilbert Sergeant Bill Balafas told New Times yesterday that bike lanes are for the exclusive use of bicycles -- but that jogging in one is a civil offense. To make a legal citizen's arrest, the suspect has to be suspected of a breach of public peace, and jogging in a bike lane doesn't qualify, Balafas said.

However, Frost maintains the story involved more than that.

He says he was biking to work at about 7:30 a.m. along Islands Drive West near Warner Road when he had to stop because the jogger was in his way, and that vehicle traffic prevented from immediately going around the man.

The jogger, who's name wasn't released, yelled at him, "Are you blind?" and shoved him. Frost says he and his $6,000 bicycle nearly fell over.

Frost says he tried to make a citizen's arrest over a suspected assault, not because the man was in a bike lane. He disputes Gilbert PD's account that he told dispatch he was making the arrest because of the bike lane, and says he specifically mentioned the "assault."

"I got ahold of him and I called 911," Frost says. "He tries to get away. I held his arm until police showed up."

Police weren't impressed with the ex-cop's actions. They arrested Frost and are seeking charges of unlawful imprisonment, disorderly conduct and assault. They seized Frost's Glock, which he hadn't pulled out during the altercation. Cops also erased an audio recording Frost had made of the incident, Frost says.

Frost was booked into jail and later released.

He says he would do the same thing again. He teaches security-guard classes and knows how to properly detain somehow, he explains.

"There wasn't a mark on him," Frost says about the jogger.

He doesn't know why Gilbert PD released information that he might be a felon who isn't legally allowed to own a firearm. Frost showed his CCW card to Channel 3 News (KTVK-TV) last night, apparently proving that he was not a prohibited possessor.

A witness reportedly thought Frost was being aggressive to the jogger. No police report has been released yet, but it'll be interesting to hear the jogger's point of view.

Our take: Citizen's arrests just don't seem like a good idea except under extreme circumstances. Too much could go wrong.


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karlleuba
karlleuba

What the double toothpicks.  Isn't one George Zimmerman enough? 

Ross
Ross

Stuff like this never happened in Gilbert while J T Ready lived there.

Ed_Wood
Ed_Wood

A 47 year old security guard? He is really rocketing up the career ladder

Kennykiklar
Kennykiklar

If Jackass Frost put his hands on me in a situation like that, with that little provocation, he wouldn't like the outcome.  Bad idea.

Walter Concrete
Walter Concrete

So many people with big mouths and puffy chests behind their computers.     Why don't you wait for the whole story?     No, you'd rather show how bad you are after two disputed reports have come out.    Now go out and kick somebody's ass for no reason other than you're full of it and yourself.     What's with the "limey" name calling?    Are you in grade school little boy?

Ltneverends
Ltneverends

Well, I've lived in England and liked the Limeys. This is about using common
sense. Who the fuck trys to detain someone who is out for a jog?

Lostcause
Lostcause

Well think about it numbnuts. Would you let some fuckhead with an acccent physically hold you because you went out for a jog? I'd think he was some kind of creepy perv and act accordingly.

Itneverends
Itneverends

If this dumb Limey tried this with an armed FEMALE jogger he'd probably get himself shot.

Dchbi
Dchbi

No wonder the Brit cops do not carry guns!!

Marcy
Marcy

Jack,

Only brown people aren't permitted to jog in bike lanes, white folks are allowed to break laws because they are special.

ActorLA
ActorLA

Go back to where you came from, you Limey bastard!

Just Me in Arizona
Just Me in Arizona

This story just keeps getting better and better...

I found his Twitter account: https://twitter.com/madjackaz

and it turns out his wife is a porn star: http://www.faith69.com/

Her Twitter account is: https://twitter.com/DreamnetFa...

Looks like she has a bunch of pictures of him in her website too.

Triple-6 Gun Mane
Triple-6 Gun Mane

 Yeah but unfortunately, that stuff is quite harmless, if this guy is just some has-been. But good stuff though. At least we get see his wifey fucked up and naked.

Jason Rahall
Jason Rahall

Re: faith69.com - She's an 'adult entertainer' or 'porn model' - 'porn star' implies a well-known name and more attractive.  Good job in re: their Twitter feeds.. right on.

Wankercentral
Wankercentral

This is guy is a dip-shit.  Not only would he have a broken nose--had he tried that shit with me or my family; but an unlawful detention lawsuit would file.  I alway wanted a 6k bike anyway.  What a wanker.  

alehound
alehound

He should have Trayvoned him, dead men tell no tales ;-)

HAMC AZ
HAMC AZ

  3 can keep a secret if 2 are Dead. Hells Angels Saying

Itneverends
Itneverends

Maybe you HA should do us all a favor and start offing each other.

Itneverends
Itneverends

That's great, but they fuck up everyone else's neighborhood by the meth they peddle.

alehound
alehound

Hey, I joke around on here but the H.A. keep a damn clean neighborhood.

Rvhobo1954
Rvhobo1954

A newly naturalized citizen, 14 year career as a UK police officer, none of this gives him the right to illegally detain someone, it might be curious to find out why his 14 year career ended, since unless they retire them at 14 years one might guess he has a bit more mystery than he is admitting, guess he might be one of them folks with a Napoleon complex, or worse yet trying to compensate for some lacking in his trousers carrying a gun around and wanting to arrest folks without a badge!

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

I'm a retired law enforcement professional and a bicycle rider. When I see a jogger in the bike lane I slow down until it's safe to pass. I also don't see the need to carry a gun, concealed or not.

I think Mr. Frost could do better by simply living with others instead of trying to control them. 

Azbluesgal
Azbluesgal

Yeah LIVE AND LET LIVE....some ppl need to chill...geeze Louise .no wonder the world is going to. You know.. Love humanity..its people I can't stand.

Native Guns
Native Guns

Good point. Realistically speaking, as a legal carrying gun owner myself, had Frost ever tried to do that stint on me. I may have misunderstood or mistaken his intention as an "assault" attempt(or possibly robbery). This is where the self-defense law comes into play. It could imply that I'm justified in using lethal force on such aggressive situations like this. 

It appears that Frost has not been in the country long enough to understand that part of the notion. Especially here in Arizona.
I would also add that he's lucky to be alive, since it was only a jogger.

Wanumba
Wanumba

Then you are admitting that you are an idiot who knows nothing about AZ gun laws.

Frost told the man he was under arrest.  In AZ, that means you are, as a matter of law, under arrest.  You shooting him does not break that arrest -- it simply adds to the charges.

And, given the cowardly nature that emanates from your writing, I suspect your aim would be off, you being distracted by the pee running down your leg, and then Frost would have calmly dispatched you to the hell you would then share with fellow micro-phallic gun-lover JT Ready.

You guys are clowns.  You dress up and pretend to be tough, hoping one day for the chaos of civil war that will, never, ever, come.

Citizen-X
Citizen-X

I would like to see you pull that stunt on me. Let's say if I'm walking in the bicycle lane and minding my own business. And once you try anything funny, like touching me or even breathing on me. I'm gonna take that as an assault and use my piece on you. Because I find your actions, whatever that may be. As a violent and dangerous attempt at criminality.
All for what???? Walking in the bicycle lane? I strongly doubt you are capable of doing anything other than drinking moonshine and lighting up that cancer stick.

You are nothing more than a dumb moron who thinks he's arpaio. You are the real cowards who wears classic 6ers on your ailing hips at anti-arpaio rallies. I don't see anyone else doing this other than cowards like yourself.

Hock
Hock

You have no requirement to submit to a citizen's arrest.  You only have to submit to an arrest by a police officer...but I'm still not going to use deadly force against a guy that's not threatening to use deadly force against me.   Of course, I"m not a coward either.

Hock
Hock

You're going to shoot a guy for punching you?   That's the problem...cowards who lose fights shoot people.

HebrewHammer
HebrewHammer

 I bet you'd be the first faggot to pull your taser...

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

Because I'm not afraid of a fist fight?

Someone has to be out thereto protect you wimps from a survival of the fittest mentality.

netdinosaur
netdinosaur

Frightening that this man is a cop, mcso no less.

Native Guns
Native Guns

Hahaha.

Ask yourself what the biggest pussy would be:

A.) Having the sole Right to defend yourself in the street, against violent unsuspecting "Jack" offs like the one in this article.
or
B.) Bringing in a 40 ton tank and 2 dozen MCSO SWAT goons, to bust a single man flop-house full of chickens.
 
Man up, buddy and start arresting serious criminals.

But here's a better question:

Ask your Repugnant pals in the legislature why they're passing all these guns legislation. They are the ones who passed the "self-defense" law.

Triple-6 Gun Mane
Triple-6 Gun Mane

I give gun owners a bad rap? How so, internet tough boy? I have never been in violation of the law. Not once. And I wouldn't be surprised that you have a dent or two on your record sheet, either by domestic violence, DUI or some other stupid shit like that.

I'd be happy to take a punch from you, if you put down your coffee and donuts and *man up* to come out from behind the MCSO desk were you spend your glory days loathing.

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

Murdered? Is that what the medical examiner said? Who's been charged? Noone? Nothin has come of the Atencio story because there was nothing to the story.

He wasn't killed by anyone. Stop your snivelling.

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

Nope. I don't work in the jails.

It's pussies like you that give gun owners a bad rap. Take the punch puss boy.

Triple-6 Gun Mane
Triple-6 Gun Mane

 Yeah. Whatever happened to that Marty Artencio? You were there to witness the brutality and violent take down of an *unarmed* man. Were you not?

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

 Did the MCSO detention officers who murdered Marty Attecio "man up and take the punch?"

Johnny Skee Mask
Johnny Skee Mask

Isn't that ironic? It takes all 5 to 10 of you fat cunts to subdue a single person in your jails. Let's not forget what happened to Earnsto "Marty" Artencio, Norberg and others.

Native Guns
Native Guns

Are you suggesting that innocent Americans should risk their lives by a random act of violence like this? Do you even know what the other is capable of? No you do not.

But then again you don't look at the broader picture here like I do. It has nothing to do with winning fist fights. The sole purpose for the Republicans passing the "self-defense" law, is based on their pro-white interest agenda that it meant entirely for them. They believed that non-whites are petty criminals and felons rendering them to be ineligible for any "self-defense" act. My point was to prove that notion is wrong by encouraging law abiding non-white Americans to take advantage of the self-defense law same as them. If they are passing laws, it should be applied to everyone equally. And if they are denied because of their skin color, then another set Constitutional Rights have been violated by the hypothetical Republicans.

Let's see if you can defend the actions of Mr. Frost. Since you appear to be far less critical of him.

EL WRAY BONESHACK
EL WRAY BONESHACK

 My neighbor tells me he is an ex Detroit cop. but at the present time he is a meth tweeker. its funny he has no pictures of himself anywhere in his home of him in his old cop uniform. alot of guys that tell you they use to be a cop usually were not ever cops. most real ex cops dont tell you shit like that. they know there is alot of cop haters out there thats why. cops and ex cops are a very strange , weird, suspicious breed of human. its best to stay clear of them they are mentally off. you cant trust them.

BOHEMIAN OUTLAW HEDONIST
BOHEMIAN OUTLAW HEDONIST

  Most ex cops or retired cops have their old tin or badge encased in that hard clear plastic and they have it proudly displayed in their home some where near a picture of them self in a cop uniform like and old war vet. and your right they dont go around talking or bragging about being an ex cop. they are a secretive bunch and kind of paranoid.

Just Me in Arizona
Just Me in Arizona

Looks like Jack has a long history hating joggers on bike paths...

From his personal blog: http://www.madjacksblog.com/20...

"The idea is that when you look at the picture, if you’re smart enough to
figure out you don’t look like the picture, then get the f**k out of
the bike lane dumb ass!!"

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

Sounds like a GPD officer was lazy and jumped to the wrong conclusion...

I haven't ever been impressed with GPD.

FUCK OFF
FUCK OFF

this reminds me of gomer pyle yelling citizens arrest citizens arrest at barny fife for making an illegal u turn in the middle of downtown mayberry. 

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