Joe Arpaio and the "Birther" Gang Gather at the Capitol, Where Carl Seel Likened His "Birther" Bill to Women's Suffrage

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Similar to the scene at the capitol today.
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the "birther" gang -- now including legislators -- held a press conference at the capitol today to push state Representative Carl Seel's "birther" bill.

Seel's bill, as you may recall, is the watered-down, penis-free version of last year's bill, which  forces presidential candidates to sign a sworn affidavit that they're eligible in order to appear on the state's ballot.

The bill also allows any qualified elector to challenge the affidavits in court, and it comes with an emergency clause -- just to be sure someone could create yet another statewide embarrassment by November if the governor were to sign the thing.

Today's press conference made it pretty clear (as if it wasn't already) that the bill is aimed at President Obama, as people are still trying to push the continuously debunked conspiracy that the president was born in another country.

Arpaio and Seel were joined by "birther" squad lead investigator Mike Zullo, Representative David Burnell Smith, Senator Lori Klein, and some tea party folks to speak on behalf of Seel's bill. State Representative Jack Harper was also in the audience, as was infamous conspiracy nut Jerome Corsi.

Seel explained he was holding the press conference to bring some awareness to his bill, which is currently stuck in a Senate committee he claims it should be withdrawn from.

Seel claims he has enough Senators committed to voting in favor of his bill, but blamed a few people, including Senate President Steve Pierce, for not getting his bill on the road to passage.

At one point, Seel declared that it was "fitting and appropriate" to discuss his "birther" bill in the Senate chamber at the old capitol, as it's right across the hall from where legislators once debated giving women the right to vote.

"It couldn't be more American," Seel said of his bill.

Arpaio didn't talk about Seel's bill too much, just saying that he favored it, and regurgitated some more of the conspiracy theory that came as a result of his "Cold Case Posse" investigation into President Obama's eligibility.

To the surprise of no one, Arpaio said he hasn't gotten a response from the head of the Selective Service -- whom Arpaio asked to investigate the president's registration -- but noted that he'll continue to ask other law-enforcement agencies for help in the "investigation."

Arpaio also claimed there's a total "media blackout" and "censorship" on the topic of his investigation into Obama -- which isn't true, considering what we have filed under "Birthers (sigh)."

Zullo was also prepared to give some sort of abbreviated version of the "birther" investigation results, but a laptop malfunction got us out of that one.

Seel said his bill's likely toast if it's not heard by Monday, and urged the public to call up legislators to let them know how you feel about it.

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Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

How utterly and totally clueless can you be. The 14th amendment has NOTHING to do with the requirement to be president. Article 1, Section 8 states you must IN ADDITION to being a 'citizen', a President ONLY must be a NATURAL BORN citizen.

By his own ADMISSION, Obama's purported father (which Obama Sr. wasn't) also was NOT a U.S. citizen AND, since the Supreme Court in 1874, in 'Minor vs. Happersett' ruled that BOTH parents had to be U.S. citizens in order for the child to be 'Natural Born Citizen'.

Now 'genius', if you had gone beyond 5th grade (or are in in still), you'd realize that there is a universe of difference between a 'citizen' (which Obama still may not even be, since he was adopted in Indonesia and hence LOST his citizenship, since Indonesia did not ALLOW for dual citizenship) which is why the 'best friend' TERRORIST Bill Ayers own mother & father told their own postman (Alan Hulton) REPEATEDLY that they were paying the tuition of a 'foreign student'.

And then, as Mr. Hulton (in a notarized sworn affidavit) stated that he met Barack Obama in the Ayers driveway), stating to Hulton that he was there to 'thank the Ayers' for paying for his (foreign student) tuition.Hulton, at the time, not having any idea as to who this guy might someday be, asked him what he was going to do when he graduated, Obama replied 'I'm going to be president of the United States.

Now, how does this 'square' with your boy 'Barry' lying to the American people saying that 'Ayers was just some guy in my neighborhood, who I hardly knew and/or your 'boy's statement that 'the only people who try and hide the truth are those with something to hide'?

And 'genius', how does this stack up with 'Mr. Openness' whose CLAIMS to have the 'most transparent' administration in history stack up with Obamas FIRST official act in office....which was to issue an Executive Order SEALING every piece of information about his past...information that, if made public would expose his REAL lying past.So, why are you NOT concerned about this? Why 'genius' are you NOT concerned that your country may have been stolen? Why are you NOT concerned? Here's why. Your desire to have a 'Messiah' are greater than a desire for the truth.

So, instead of seeking the TRUTH LD19, you seek to PROTECT someone who has apparently STOLEN, via LIES, the highest office in your own country and for reasons that might destroy YOU.

That you are willing to overlook this, to shut your eyes, to deny the evidence that is everywhere, and which is stonewalled at every turn by Obama, shows how morally empty you must be.

Those who REFUSE to protect their own country, lulled by the lies of a man who has just been caught on tape in telling Russia's Putin via Medenev, that after his supposed 're-election' that he would be able more EASILY to sell out YOUR country's missile defenses (which we are using to protect us against the N.Koreans & Iranian fanatics) and which might well destroy YOU and your family, shows a level of awareness on your part of a fool, a useful idiot, a 'polenyze idioty'.

If you were NOT a 'True Believer', one whose hope in some utopian ideal, peddled by the Left, of some sort of 'fair, share the wealth' nirvana, which has in reality created utterly evil, murderous, totalitarian hells everywhere they have ever been implemented by the same lies and deceit that Obama and the now fully Marxist Democratic party are peddling, you would begin to clear the shield of arrogant ignorance from your eyes and begin to ask....Hmm, I need to truly, TRULY seek the truth, no matter where it leads.

Like you perhaps, Molly was a Democrat for many years, until she discovered that they were no longer the party of JFK, but of a cabal of Marxists whose entire goal was to overthrow the country (and if you haven't a clue still, google what Bill Ayers, who by his OWN admission on TWO different occasions publicly stated that he wrote Obama's book 'Dreams From My Father' and what Ayer's told a fellow Weather Underground member that he was willing to MURDER 25 million Americans in order to 'perfect the Revolution' and turn over America to Cuba, Mexico, China & Russia.

You LD19 are an empty vessel.  Your arguments have NO MERIT. You rant and rave like you know what you are talking about but you haven't a clue because if you did, you'd awaken from the enspellment that the left has you in and begin to ask, OMG, the evidence DOES point to every word he utters is a lie.

Your statements have 'no bona fides'. Your argument of 'citizen' so he is eligible belies your ignorance, your 'useful idiot' status of you protecting a felon, a potential murderer, a Manchurian Marxist/Muslim whose entire goals are the overthrow and destruction of your, YOUR country and you with it. Some genius you are.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

How much do you get paid to write these lies, or are you just insane naturally?You have ZIPPO proof Einstein that Obama WAS born anywhere other than a forged document he posted online....otherwise, he'd have NO problem with everyone seeing the 'microfiche' copy or, in your Messiah's own words, 'the only ones with something to hide are those who are not telling the truth'..The fact that he send an orthopedic surgeon to prison, rather than release his b/c tells 'normal' people all, ALL they need to know. Your statements have NO MERIT. They are the rantings of a foolish, imbecile who is a useful idiot (poleynze idioty) being used by Obama to destroy your own country.If you had ANY conscience at all, if you had anything OTHER than being part of Obama's paid staff trying anything to refute the truth closing in, then you'd be asking 'why, WHY' don't you just end this by releasing EVERY record you have, from kindergarten on.The fact that he still refuses to shows that your Messiah is a false flag, a Manchurian impostor.You sadly, like the fools of history before you, have NO conscience, no morals, and certainly NO facts, otherwise you'd be asking 'why not release EVERYTHING' Obama?But, since you ARE a useful idiot, or a paid useful one, you can't bear to have your 'Savior' go down in flames as a liar, as an impostor, as a usurper so instead, you lie, you spread disinformation and you rant.Sadly, you are incapable of ANY critical thinking as to your own belief system because if you did, you would be asking what we are....'where is the 'Vault copy' of your b/c, the original microfiche numbered one, in order.  You'd be asking the Selective Service to release every record of his supposed 'Selective Service Application'.  The fact that Obama doesn't is ALL the testimony/evidence we need that there IS a liar and a fraud in the WH that uses suckers like you to destroy YOUR country...or, perhaps that IS your goal as well.If you look closely (which you have refused to do) at everything Obama touches, it is a train wreck and, if that doesn't tell you something, I truly feel sorry for you, for you have given your 'soul' to 'the Devil' who is using you, not for noble and honorable means, but to enslave you.What a last thought you will have...in your asylum of 'True Belief' in a lie that he is. How sad, a lifetime that you could have sought the truth, and justice, and honor, all wasted as the fools Karl Marx used, as Stalin used, as Pol Pot used.You can rant and rave NSA, but deep inside, you know its ALL true about him. A lie!

Chef221b
Chef221b

Wow you sound good but so way off base. So what proves that something is being hidden? Specifics please. And if you can't see the racism well you will have a difficult time seeing anything possibly positive about President Obama. You don't have to like the guy but he IS the duly elected President. Get over it and focus on real issues.

greasepot
greasepot

Phoenix New Times, Saul Alinsky would be proud of you for your ridicule strategy. It's right out of his "Rules for Radicals" playbook.

ZachHenry
ZachHenry

What about George Soros? No need to leave him out of a good conspiracy.

pkevinm
pkevinm

You people with your  birther comments can deflect and call Arpaio all the names in the book. Knock yourselves out - - that isn't going to change a thing,    The purpose of these press conferences was to announce the findings of fraud/forgery.  It doesn't matter if we think he was born in Hawaii or Timbuckfuckingtoo.  The cert of birth, as posted by the white house, is a misrepresentation.    Buy Adobe Illustrator and check it yourself.  This sheriff would not proceed if there was no reason.  He may be a total idiot, but he is not stupid. 

ZachHenry
ZachHenry

 So, why didn't Arpaio look at the original?  Why didn't he even ASK to look at the original?  He looked at the online PDF.  So what.  There have been plenty of people who have seen the original and sworn to its authenticity.  If there is going to be an "investigation" it has to start there.

majii
majii

An observation:  I don't think America would be having this discussion at all if the current president weren't a POC with what is, to some Americans, at least, an "unusual name."  Never mind the host of unusual surnames that millions of Americans already have.  IMHO, this issue of birtherism is misdirected nativism gone wild.

DPSnAZ
DPSnAZ

 Steve, are you aware that there is such a thing as "Virtual Lobotomy" ?

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

See my above post. Citizen is NOT a 'natural born citizen' (nbc) and the 14th amendment has NOTHING to say about 'nbc's' but Article 1, Section 8 sure does and the ONLY SCOTUS decision that DEFINES what an nbc is, is found in 'Minor vs. Happersett' (1874) where BOTH parents MUST be 'citizens' and since Obama's father was a citizen of Kenya and NEVER of America, Obumma the liar is NOT and has never been eligible to be president which makes him and the entire corrupt racketeers who put him into office guilty of multiple felonies in seeking to overturn the US Constitution.  In short, TREASON.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

But his father was NOT. Therefore, Obama is NOT and NEVER can be eligible to be president, hence the lies and the coverup of his past.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

Oh Brain Dead one.  You are myopic. The 14th Amendment has NOTHING to do with the requirements to be president, ONLY what 'a citizen' is NOT a 'natural born citizen', which ONLY the president MUST be (see Article 1, Section 8).  In that, ANY & ALL presidents MUST be 'Natural Born Citizens' (NBC) and the definition of a NBC, since it was NOT spelled out in Article 1, Section 8, WAS defined by the 'Highest Court', the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) in a decision in 1874 entitled 'Minor vs. Happersett', (which you leftist Marxists tried to scrub out of existence) that REQUIRES a nbc to have TWO CITIZEN PARENTS and last time I looked at Obama's own claims, his father was NOT a citizen of the US, but of Britain (Kenya was a British colony in 1961) so Obama, ipso facto is not, was not and will NEVER be an nbc and no matter how much you bullsh*t around with claims of the 14th amendment (foolish disinformation) he ain't eligible clown face.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

To Mr. 'Real' David Saint:How 'ignant' can you be.  Where oh where do you make this stuff up from?  And what did they teach YOU in the 10th grade? Certainly NOT the SCOTUS decision that DEFINES (the ONLY VALID place where a DEFINITION) of WHAT a NBC is.  

So dufus, when you write checks with your mouth that your empty brain can't cash, if you weren't so utterly clueless then you'd have KNOWN about the 1874 SCOTUS decision entitled 'Minor vs. Happersett', where the SCOTUS decision declared that a 'Natural Born Citizen' MUST HAVE TWO, TWO, GOT IT, TWO AMERICAN CITIZEN PARENTS, NOT ONE.This is why, SFBrains, that the far left founder and kool-aid sipping supporter of Obama, of Justia.com SCRUBBED ALL REFERENCES TO 'Minor vs. Happersett' for over 3 years and it would have never been discovered unless it was for a little known program called 'the Wayback Machine'.  "...On October 20, 2011, New Jersey attorney Leo Donofrio accused online legal research behemoth Justia.com of surgically redacting important information from their publication of 25 U.S. Supreme Court opinions which cite Minor v. Happersett, an 1874 decision which arguably contains language that appears to disqualify anyone from presidential eligibility who wasn't born in the country to parents who were citizens.  According to the decision in Happersett:At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.  (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167 [1874])Justia is a Google Mini-powered website which has singled itself out as one of the most comprehensive and easy-to-search legal sites on the internet.  Other legal resources such as Lexis can cost as much as $5,000 a month for a subscription, and it's impossible to hyperlink to cases which include copyrighted headnotes and analysis.  This is why powerful law firms such as Perkins Coie (where former Obama White House Counsel Bob Bauer practices law) have cited Justia's pages.The Wayback Machine, run by InternetArchive.Org, is the means by which the changes made at Justia were documented over time.  Among the first responses from Justia regarding this controversy was to block its Supreme Court Server from being viewed by the Wayback Machine.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com...

So, next time you go running your empty lips, check your *ss to see if there is any fuel in your tank.  What a dimwitted brain dead liberal nincompoop.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

Sure, and they have produced his original microfiche vault copy....Sure they have.  What Obumma has produced is TWO forgeries and the first one is so inane it even says on the bottom of it that it is INVALID.  For the 2nd, in case you have any brain cells, 'scanned copies' do NOT have 'layers'.  ONLY photoshopped FAKES have 'layers' and Obama's has NINE of them which is why over 20, court certified forensic experts have screamed FAKE and no one, again, NO ONE who has ANY technical expertise has come forward to say its valid....Again, NO ONE.  Facts are a bitch ZachHenry but since you are a brain dead 'useful idiot' of Obama's, they don't matter.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

Hmm:

We have just about 'HadJustFuckingEnough' of you clown face.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

You are beyond even the term 'stupid'. You are truly moronic. Your statement' THEY ALREADY DO.' is laughable on its face. No need to look at 'facts'...nah.  True believers like you would accept that Obama is god...oops, let that one out of the bag early.  That claim won't float until he claims he's eligible to be 'president for life' and you'll go along with it...that is, unless you have starved to death under his wonderful 'reign'.

Molly1776Pitcher
Molly1776Pitcher

Marcy:Do you have any, ANY clue as to what a 'True Believer' is?  Well, take a look in the mirror and you'll see one.  Every statement you made is simply 'foolish' and false. You have provided ZERO evidence to support your rant...how much is Soros paying you?

DianeDakota
DianeDakota

Kenya was under Britain at that time. 

Concern71
Concern71

Sheriff Joe should have vetted his Cold Case Posse before tying his faltering reputation to the tail of the all failure of a human being Michael Zullo. Try looking up this guys past and all you'll find is a string of failures and exaggerations. If you really want to see him sweat try asking him about his past and how he makes his living. How does this guy have all this time to volunteer as a posse member with no visual means of support for his family. As far as we can tell he has never succeeded at anything but leaching on to others fame and fortune. 

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 A salute to the persuasive powers lying to the submissive minions.  Time was ripe...no one had lied so egregiously ever before to the lowly 'state' authorities.  They just sucked it in unquestioningly...as the BO crowd calculated they would, after sufficient conditioning.  

pkevinm
pkevinm

I am not a birther (WTF? the term is sickening), tea partier, or racist.  But, I look forward to sound the sound of your sweet bubble popping dude.  "go away and don't come back until you've found some"??  Nobody needs to provide sh*t for you. 

Man, Arpaio is one of my least favorite people in the news - period.  But that doesn't change the fact that he is an experienced person of the law (spare me your deflections here) and he acted on behalf of constituents.  He would not go public with this if he didn't have a case.

ZachHenry
ZachHenry

Before he was sheriff Arpaio was selling time shares on the moon.  No joke.

Why do 250 tp'ers making a complaint get an immediate response, where hundreds of sex crime complaints went ignored until the AP broke the case some 4 years later?

This was not a case, this was a book sale.  What kind of professional law enforcement EVER releases a book on an investigation before they have brought any charges or acted in any way?  Arpaio was used and Maricopa County is worse for it.

pkevinm
pkevinm

Dear Mr. Hendley  - -  your writings here are crap - - I guess typical for the NPTimes.   A google alert consistently, and unfortunately, displays your link right up top, and I always end up here.  I don't know which is more disgusting, your bias or your Obama sycophant posters.  

LD19 Resident
LD19 Resident

The president was born in HAWAII. An American state. It doesn't matter what nationality his father is or where his father was from. 

LD19 Resident
LD19 Resident

Did you even read what you posted?

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible for the Office of President."

Citizenship requirements didn't even exist until 1868. Anyway, your point is moot. Since Obama is a citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, he is in fact eligible to hold the office of POTUS. 

LD19 Resident
LD19 Resident

Um, the 14th Amendment's protections certainly apply to the president. Perhaps you need to read it.

Here is what the 14th Amendment states regarding citizenship:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."

Obama does not have to be a natural born citizen so long as he meets the requirements as laid out in the 14th Amendment.

DianeDakota
DianeDakota

No that is not true.  The 14th Amendment does not do away with a Constitutional requirement for the office of the President.  Clearly, one thing we should all agree on is that there needs to be a written in stone clarification so that it can never be disputed again.  

LD19 Resident
LD19 Resident

Actually, it's my own computer I use to inform clueless boobs like you. 

Jn Brown
Jn Brown

and just because you say it's not............................ waiting for 1 shred

Jn Brown
Jn Brown

Shauna Forde....get off the internet and back in your cell

DianeDakota
DianeDakota

You are sick and immature...but it must make you feel really big to sit behind a computer screen and make remarks like that doesn't it.  Small people with small brains have no other way to get recognition than to bully.

Jn Brown
Jn Brown

you mean almost the same gas prices as summer 08?  if you're jealous the president is protected get elected whiner

Jn Brown
Jn Brown

and you are going to get rid of two SCOTUS judges appointed for life how?

Jn Brown
Jn Brown

i thought he was a Nazi.  speaking of hiding records, have you seen the Bush National Guard records anywhere?  why are you a goober? why?

DianeDakota
DianeDakota

The evidence is so  overwhelming against Obama after even a brief review of the facts that one can conclude those who deny the reality simply don't want to accept it.  There is no sound basis to give Obama a pass when the questions surrounding his identity are so numerous.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

I'm on your side, but Seel sponsored a bill that deviously defined nbC as of one citizen parent.  It was vetoed. I, too, wonder if anyone in the legislature knows the Minor definition of nbC.  The currently progressing bill is, really, not remotely capable of doing what they hope it will. IMO.

DianeDakota
DianeDakota

That is discouraging and pointless.  I don't understand why they would even bother with it. There is very old law and discussion regarding nbc which it is clear in a historical context as to why the framers used that specific term.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

Here's a link to the Cong Record for the House, discussing nbC.  Long and scholarly, but may be interesting.  It was in reference to George Romney's run for the WH in '67.  Final conclusion on that is at the end of article.

http://nativeborncitizen.wordp...

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 They didn't fall over, they collapsed.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

fall over, collapse, implode, take your pick.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 Well, OK...as long as your insinuation isn't that they were sabotaged from the inside.   My info is that the supporting steel was not cemented covered, which gives it greater resistance to heat, therefore it failed.  In so doing, it allowed the weight of the structure above to fall down and through the structures below, destroying it as it fell and adding to the mass of material falling through the upright structure, until it got to ground level, or nearly so.  Building wasn't designed to resist expansive internal forces, I doubt.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

The question isn't whether he is a citizen, but is he a natural born citizen.  If there is not any difference, why does the Constitution say Pres must be natural born citizen? A law making him a citizen is called a naturalization, and him a naturalized citizen.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 That rule didn't come into effect till after WWII

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 There are two problems with that conclusion, but since you ended the debate, figure it out yourself.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 The office of sheriff has been elective ever since there have been elections in government.Long before the Commission/Manager form of government.

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 You and your 8 friends don't look too deeply into the reasons for dismissal of those tossed claims, do you?

lostdutchman
lostdutchman

 Give us a hint...just where do I look up nbC defining it as one citizen parent?  You give me one, or two and I'll give you one or two defining it as two parents.  Or, how about 'citizen parents'?

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