Joe Arpaio's Not the Only Cop in Phoenix Who Sucks at Investigating Sex Crimes

mlsmith55

Typical police incompetence and laziness. Can't be bothered to push away from the lunch counter unless a person is murdered on TV.

Say what?

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All the way back to 1999?? Great. Some of the management of El Mirage PD all came from Phoenix PD as well. I believe the detective sgt and at least one of the detectives came over from Phoenix with the Chief, Asst Chief, and the admin Lt. Hmmm....

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DreadedTruth

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More police officers are convicted of child sex crimes than all other professions combined. It's law enforcement's "dirty little secret", and one we are committed to exposing. Police officers use their positions of trust to violate our children. Their victims are threatened with physical harm and told no one will believe their word over that of a police officer. Please visit our fcebook pages to learn more about how you can help fight this silent epidemic. http://www.facebook.com/pages/...

Jack Harris

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Phoenix Police Chief Joe Yahner better handle this one carefully! Why you ask???? Because he was Unit Commander (Lieutenant) of the Sex Crimes Unit back in 1999 when all of this began! Do you think for a minute he will not cover this one up???

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MentallyChallengedSheriffsOffice

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Amadeus332

MCSO...Maricopa Child Sex Outrage!

Jason

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MCSO:

Monstrously Corrupt Sheriff's Office!

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Jason

38-311. Officers subject to impeachmentThe governor, every state and judicial officer, except justices of courts not of record, shall be liable to impeachment for high crimes, misdemeanors or malfeasance in office.

Coz

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Nice thought, but trying to get this States worthless corrupt leadership to do anything about any of this is never going to happen.

Jason

I agree 100%. Just look at the Pearce recall...

FBR went to Maricopa County Superior Court to try to stop the recall. Judge Hegyi ruled against him.

Then, Pearce & Co. went to the AZ Supreme Court, where they were again shot down.

I think it is possible to oust the MCSO shurf, but I think indictments are gonna have to come from AG Tom Horne (who we all know is as corrupt as the Old Fool himself) or the DOJ (which appears to be too afraid of the MCSO shurf to actually indict the Senile Spinmaster.) So, we need to hope that 1) Obama is re-elected and 2) he appoints a U.S. Attorney General who will oust the Flaccid Fool from the Wells Fargo building.

Coz

Bozo Joe may not be the only one that sucks, but he sure does suck the most.

JESTERJACKSON

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The Phoenix New Times has been reporting on and investigating Arpaio's incompetence and misdeeds for how many years now? I personally have been telling people for over a fucking decade. I am so sick and tired of hearing people recently moved to AZ tell me that they think, "Arpaio's great, go Joe." They don't fucking know the history of all the people who have died in his jails, mismanaged funds and wasted tax payer money among many many other things. Now this. Yet there is still a question as to him staying in office??? Are we as residents of Maricopa County that stupid? It is insane! If the votes of native Arizonans were not being diluted by the voters who have recently moved from other states it would have already been dealt with.

Gerry_C

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Yes we are that stupid, collectively at least. Heck we re-elected Andrew Thomas when he was rising up in his corruption. We almost elected him to AG after his misdeeds were well known.

Welcome to AZ, your double digit IQ state.

Gerry_C

This article details a terrible problem at PPD without a doubt. It also details an appropriate and aggressive professional response. It further details how leadership at PPD expanded their scope multiple times to accurately get a sense of the magnitude and permeated depth of the problem. First a few cases that had a common detective, then to all the cases from that detective, and then to cases with common classes of crimes, and so on. The had a problem and sought to find out if it was isolate or widespread. Then they determined that policies and procedures were in place that had not been followed. Now, intensive additional attention will be paid for a while until things are straightened out. I am certain that some of the additional attention from the command structure will never be reversed as a preventative measure. I don't have a problem with the way this has been handled except for those that have violated policy and allowed this to happen. Their slights are devastating to the victims. Professionals will make mistakes. The response of professionals should be to correct and prevent repeats of mistakes. When a professional does not follow established procedure and common protocol and makes a mistake, there should be Hell to pay and the sloppiness/laziness, etc. should be considered against that person's professionalism.

I am thinking of some points of contrast to the MCSO debacle:

In Watergate, the break in or initial crime was bad. The response and coverup was unbelievable. The response from Nixon and his men was not appropriate and crime upon crime was committed to deal with the denial of culpability. We might have seen far different results had the coverup plan not been implemented.

Their seems to be suggestions that the ignored victims in the MCSO mess may be classed into certain groups such as illegal immigrants, poor people, non-Caucasian, and others that make one wonder why.

Detectives have come forward to state that they were directed to do other things instead of investigating the crimes that MCSO ignored. Thus, it seems that there may have been command (even executive command structure) decisions about ignoring or delaying or down prioritizing these cases.

The inability of MCSO to respond for years on these cases after it was brought to the attention of the Sheriff himself speaks volumes. While this is going on and being sat on, he is out doing everything but what a Sheriff should do and running his department as a professional should. Nobody else is doing anything either.

Professionals have to delegate to get things done. I do and I get paid well for my abilities to delegate to subordinates. Delegation does not mean washing my hands of the issue. Delegation also means I retain responsibility for the success and failure of what I delegate and it means that I follow-up and make sure things are going well or if not to get more involved and take/prescribe corrective action. A Nave Captain of a ship does not steer the boat; he orders someone to steer the boat. The Captain is responsible for what happens on the boat and to the boat. The Captain does not wash his hand of responsibility for the boat once he gives orders for a course of 130 at 14 knots. In fact the guy steering the boat is not even they guy maintaining the ordered course and certainly is not the guy maintaining the speed. The Captain is responsible for it all. Even when he delegates to his XO so he can sleep or dine, the Captain does not wash his hands of responsibility. MCSO is not the Navy. However, the point is that DELEGATION DOES NOT RELIEVE RESPONSIBILITY AT THE TOP...EVER. What do our statutes say about responsibilities of a Sheriff? I don't know, but I have to think they specify responsibility.

The lack of response by MCSO top brass on these issues makes me smell a coverup. The Munnell memo investigation was clearly scoped to only include Hendershott and the Rump Rangers. Investigatory notes about discussions with Hendershott about Arpaio were not provided and were buried. The Internal MCSO investigation here is most certainly scoped to not include top brass, which is wrong since there are indications that it is something more than lazy or incompetent detectives. MCSO should not investigate itself in this case.

The halfhearted phony apology that Arpaio gave and even diluting his subordinates statements in the middle of the press conference is more CYA than addressing the issue. NO RESPONSIBILITY.

I would guess that an organization such as MCSO already has written policy and procedures about Detective 101 and case management and responsibilities of chain of command. First thing would be to evaluate performance against what is there.

Has MCSO even considered expanding the scope of their internal inquiry to assess how wide and systemic the ignored cases problem is? Is it limited to sex crimes? Do other crimes get ignored as well? PPD sought to find out as should MCSO. If MCSO can't put its shop in order, then someone should be appointed to do so that is INDEPENDENT of Arpaio.

El Mirage paid dearly for MCSO personnel to serve them. When command structure chooses to take the money and not do the work, it stinks like a band of traveling Gypsies selling old people roofing services, taking the money, tearing up a good roof and never being seen again. This alone should be a prong of the investigation.

MCSO needs (Scratch that) ... WE NEED for MCSO to be INDEPENDENTLY audited and investigated over this and other issues and the potential coverups. I think someone with the caliber, tenacity and credentials (in a LE sense) of the Independent Bar Counsel Gleason would be a good start. I am not talking about a consultant to powder puff things and save face for Arpaio. I am talking about an investigation, a financial audit, and a case audit. Should not be a problem for Arpaio. He says he runs a transparent operation with nothing to hide.

This got long. That cup of coffee must have been loaded!

Roy R Reyer

Gerry, all you have to do is follow the money trail

1) At the request of MCSO the BOS approved more man power for the SVU, this can be verified by Loretta Barkell.

2) However, after the additional man power was allocated to SVU they never showed up!

Instead the bodies were transferred to Human Smuggling!

Again I'm sure Barkell could verify this.

3) Now also during this entire time Brian Beamish (who was a Captain with MCSO) was appointed as acting Cheif of El Mirage.

He is documented as being on the Honduras junket with Hendershott.

However, he did meet with Sands/Hendershott/Freeman and BEGGED for more manpower and resources for the back log of cases at El Mirage and was turned down.

4) So now, while this unit is DROWNING in a backlog of cases, one of few remaining detectives VOLUNTEERS to go to Honduras to provide training.

So what is going to happen NEXT:

1) Freeman and Sands are NOT going to bite the bullet for Arpaio, that's a given.

They have to find someone inside or outside the agency to lay blame on.

2) The could lay it on Hendershott's feet.

But I'm sure that Arpaio doen't want to give Hendershott another reason to go squealing to the press or the feds.

3) The two detectives that were in the unit assigned to the cases have gone to other agencies and they have already gone to the press giving their side, so Arpaio will not blame them.

4) The SUV detective who volunteered from SUV to go to Honduras isn't going to get shit on because they don't want him/her to really say what the hell they were all doing down there.

5) That leaves perhaps a Sgt and/or Lt who stayed behind, who supervised the unit.

However, do you think it is fair that they get the blame?

They didn't dramatically increase the case load and transfer out their man power!

I'm certain that there is MUCH more to this story and I hope and pray that the media goes further to uncover the TRUTH!

Yourproductsucks

Weren't you at one time dating that same sgt/Lt while she was your subordinate in dist3? Curiouser and curiouser...Isn't she the same one that participated in sweeping younger young's own deviency under the rug?

Yourproductsucks

So you weren't dating her?

Roy R Reyer

@YourProductSucks - Here we go again, posting your shit making assumptions based lies from two AH deputies that wanted a transfer to aviation and special investigations.

Tommy Collins

Roy, I think your information and assumptions are VERY accurate. I don't see the Flaccid Fool actually doing ANYTHING. He held another 'brown people' roundup today at a Mexican food restaurant to try to draw attention away from the 432 cases of sex crimes that were not handled properly, if at all.

He will just try to stall the media and hope the issue goes away. Somewhat like the Adrian Cruz 'escape'. Another perpetrator of sex crimes against children.

I am starting to think the MCSO sheriff doesn't care about children. Or people, especially those who are considered expendable for a few votes here and there.

shadeaux14

Tommy,

Joe really does fit much of the diagnostic criteria required to label one as a sociopath.

Gerry_C

I figure he had to do a Mexican roundup. His latest death threat was a total yawn. Come to think of it, so was the previous one. At least the little boy crying wolf is being ignored. That is one truth from my childhood that still holds.

Gerry_C

I think your analysis says a lot Roy. Thanks for giving us your unique viewpoint. It may take the media digging in to get the truth. That is a tragedy because we the people should not have to count on the media to right the wrongs at MCSO. I agree that there is much more to the story and I hope that it is followed to the ultimate unaccountable culprit.

Gerry_C

Didn't the Governor skip a border Governor's conference or something like that to have a meeting on how the CPS can better protect children? I know she did not cancel her book tour for that. She had to get her Amazon rank up to 21,000 and the tour was essential for that. Funny though, if she is pro life and pro child and pro education as she says, her silence here basically says that Arpaio's failure to investigate meets her approval. I wonder why she have did approved this?

Tommy Collins

Gerry, your point is valid and well taken. The media shouldn't be the catalyst in this case. It should start with the governor and make it's way down through the state attorney general and perhaps even the county attorney. It appears they are owned by the county sheriff.

Imagine how they must feel. Being owned by a goddam county sheriff who isn't even a cop.

For a few votes.

Gerry_C

Sorry about a few of the typos, etc. in the above. I really do know there vs. their vs. they're and others.

Tim Jonson

Very nice tips. I agree with you. Thank you.

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DPSnAZ

Do NOT let this Sheriff resign!! Get the necessary search warrants and arrest warrants and prosecute him and everybody else involved in this scandal. Search every office of MCSO and seize the evidence!! How do you think the victims will feel if we allow these crooks to resign and walk off with a fat retirement? Are you kidding me?!!

Anon

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Tommy Collins

Mr. King, please don't refer to the MCSO shurf as a 'cop'. He's an elected official. Nothing more. He's NOT a certified peace officer in Arizona. He is NOT P.O.S.T. certified, even though he could take a certification exam at pretty much any time, if he were so inclined. But, he would have to pass the test...

If he were to do that he might actually understand the distinction between 'reasonable suspicion' and 'probable cause'.

His only official is Sheriff. Please refer to him as such and don't insult the good cops who have earned the right to be called police officers, or 'cops'. **************************************************************************************************************

The big difference between the issues at PPD and MCSO are that PPD discovered the problems and began working to correct them.

MCSO was made aware of the problems and didn't do a damn thing to correct them until public POLITICAL pressure made the MCSO shurf 'start' something last spring, at least three years after the El Mirage issues were first reported.

Then the Sheriff commented in a failed attempt at an apology that there might not be victims of the 432 sex crime reports.

He's sorry. No doubt.

But he's only sorry that he's taking heat and is likely about to lose his job after almost nineteen years in office.

Eleanor Holguin

Mr. Collins, while you may know what POST certified means most people have no clue. Will you be so kind to explain what that means.

While I know what it means I also know that being "POST certified" doesn't mean you can't be a corrupt LE officer, huh, Mr. Mann?

Those of you who know what POST certified means will know who Mr. Mann is.

Known Derelict

HEADLINE should read... Joe Arpaio is not the only cop in phoenix who sucks or sucks at sex.

Known Derelict

Joe doesn't look like he has sex and that may explain the problem.

Follower_of_the_ONE

Anybody else remember the good old days, before Betsy Bayless was Secretary or State, when you could actually write in a candidate? I do, my favorite for the write-in to replace Arpiao was one of my personal law enforcement heros, and compared to Joe a true law enforcement professional.... Deputy Dawg... He's due for a promotion.

Gerry_C

This article could become the topic of a MCSO press release.

James King

This article should be the manual of how to act if you're a law enforcement agency that fucked up. Phoenix PD took responsibility and is trying to fix the problem. No half-assed apologies, no "ifs" or tough guy bravado. Just "we made mistakes, were fixing them."

Jason

Well said.

Gerry_C

You are right. When you screw up, take ownership of it and work the problem until it is fixed and then figure out what it takes to not do it again. That is how I teach my 4 kids and for the most part they live it that way.

My impression was that MCSO could either post it to say "Look, this is what we are doing." to sort of adopt the approach years late. Or they could snip about "Look, PHX has the same problems. I told you that we are not alone."

Appreciate the chime in Mr. King and thanks for the good reporting.

James King

Thanks, Gerry.