Is MCSO Detention Officer to Blame For Getting His Toe Shot Off By Handcuffed DUI Suspect?

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...didn't make it to the market -- he got shot on the side of a highway by a handcuffed DUI suspect.
As we reported yesterday, a Maricopa County Sheriff's Office detention officer is sans one toe after getting shot in the foot by a DUI suspect -- who was in handcuffs at the time -- while he was assisting in a holiday DUI task force over the weekend.

The officer is expected to be all right -- aside from the missing toe, and all.

The suspect, 51-year-old Charles Ray Dansby, who has a lengthy rap sheet -- including convictions for child abuse, possession of drug paraphernalia, and shoplifting -- was fatally shot by either the detention officer or an MCSO deputy also at the scene after he fired at the detention officer, according to the MCSO.

Dansby was able to retrieve his handgun because Sheriff Joe Arpaio's boys in beige cuffed him in the front, rather than behind his back, which is typically how the MCSO -- and most other law enforcement agencies -- shackle crime suspects.

It's unclear whether Dansby was patted down before he grabbed his gun. MCSO spokesman Jesse Spurgin wouldn't give New Times specifics about the case because (the old dodge) it's under investigation. However, he says it's MCSO procedure to pat down suspects before cuffing them.

Additionally, several other media reports have said the detention officer was in the process of patting down Dansby when the suspect pulled his gun from his waistband and started shooting.

Several commenters on our original post on the shooting (which you can see by clicking here) suggest that the detention officer is to blame for his missing toe because he didn't cuff Dansby behind the back, which gave him the opportunity to pull his gun.

If you ask us, the detention officer probably could have taken some extra precautions, but the reason his toe is now missing is because a lawless thug had no qualms about shooting at a cop -- err...what he thought was a cop (detention officers aren't technically cops).

We want to know what you think, though: is the detention officer to blame for his missing toe?

Cast your vote below.



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Kay
Kay

I know of three instances when an officer was shot in the foot.  Once was by a ricochet, but the other two were by their own weapons..one, he was pulling it out with his finger on the trigger, and the other, when she was holstering it with her finger on the trigger.  I've heard lots of other stories though and usually when someone is shot in the foot, they did it...I'm just saying???

Lessthanstable
Lessthanstable

Tommy Collins / OnlyArizona self appointed know it all; you have got most of the bloggers believing that you know what you talking about when it comes to law enforcement.   Coming from LE, you’re individuals who probably missed his calling as defense liars; maybe you should look into it. A criminal is dead, and to Officer’s have to deal with the garbage that he selected to put in their lives.  The D.O. did belong there, and yes he is certified by the IACP (look it up) as a Drug Recognition Expert.  He has been deemed an EXPERT in court, and has testified.  You throw out verbiage like “Gaze Nystagmus” to continue on the appearance that you know what you are talking about. Its HGN or Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus, I suggest you research that also when you are looking up IACP. The D.O is, and has been an important part of Task Force, and the Supervisor is aware, as they assign them.  It’s not secrets; it is an active investigation and the gathering of facts.  It is a slow process, not like you seem to base you knowledge from a 47 minute TV show when all evidence is processed and bad guy has a full psychological background completed.  It is about facts, and these do not need to be muddied, by gossip and guesses.  How many times have you actually took the effort to get a report, and not counted on your pompous, uninformed intellect to stir the blogging minions. I can absolutely tell you when the case, and the FACTS are released you both will owe the Officer’s involved apologies, not that it will mean anything, as you will turn around and do it to another the next incident.

OnlyinArizona
OnlyinArizona

Arpaio says the Detention Officer is a "DRUG EXPERT"..  Hmmm....how many times has he testified in court as an expert?  What are his qualifications that allowed him to be placed in that situation?Smells like bullshit to me.  Is he the spawn of one of the commanders at MCSO?  That wouldn't surprise me.

EXPERT MY ASS.  Show me, don't tell me.  I've heard all about the "experts" working at MCSO....remember not long ago Hendershott described his son as an expert to put perverts away..  Guess he put them all in El Mirage never to be found again..

This whole MCSO organization is getting scarier and scarier.  It really appears that a takeover by the feds may be necessary - and SOON.

rico
rico

First, If he was that much of an "Exper" why was he not working at the jail the night Atencio was brought in and then died of an apparent drug induced reaction? Secondly, if they release the name of the D.O., then all of the media will be able to get a hold of his Correctional Officers records from AZPOST.

Walter Concrete
Walter Concrete

Any peace officer that cannot detain, search and cuff a suspect by himself should not be working in the field.    With one and a half cops on the scene there is no reason how this could have happened.    The DO was trained in impairment detection?     He couldn't see that he was the one who was impaired by his lack of skill and judgement.    Not even a rookie cop would have made these errors.    But then again, he's not a cop is he?     He's not authorized to make any arrests so why was he there?    Oh, that's right because he is an expert at being impaired.   We need more experts like that helping out, huh?    Better fill up the lawsuit bucket because they're going to need it if old dead eye keeps driving around... minus one toe though.   I can imagine the nick names this guy is going to have when he gets back to work.    Or maybe he'll get a full pension for being shot in the line of someone else's duty and he can sue for disability.

David Saint
David Saint

why was the DO carrying a gun in the first place, in the capacity as a LEA when he clearly isnt one!? Isnt this one of the things that the DOJ just hit on, a lack of training and policies? DO's are for jails, deputies are for the streets.  Pretty cut and dry.  

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

at least that's what I think too, but I am not in LE and I don't really know all the rules, but I always though that DOs were in jails and deputies were out on the streets.

Wondering
Wondering

Ok i have one question here... Are Detention officers supposed too be carrying weapons? I understand anyone is allowed to own and carry a gun here but this sounds to me like he was playing cop, that is a bit scary for me

Gizzard
Gizzard

Yes they are allowed to carry weapons. They go through the AZPOST required firearms training to get certified. They DO NOT carry in the jails.

Wondering
Wondering

Ok thanks for that. Untilo his name is released we will not know if he is post certified though? I would like to think they wouldn't allow him to carry if he wasn't

Nickelbagjoe
Nickelbagjoe

You always, always cuff a suspect behind their back unless unless their are extreme circumstances and safeguards in place to protect the officer from danger.  The deputy and DO are lucky as hell they're both not dead.  Nickel Bag Joe may get away with acting tough while he's surrounded by a protection detail armed with machine guns, but on the street a criminal will kill you quick if you don't pay attention and follow proper procedure.  

Gizzard
Gizzard

If he was properly searched after being handcuffed is one thing, but handcuffing to the front unless the suspect is disabled is just plain stupid. Complacency and poor training had a big involvement in this scenario. It all could have been avoided but some think they know it all,

Victor Long
Victor Long

Sounds like the stupid cop got exactly what he deserved.Complete-Anon.tk

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

he is just lucky he was shot in the foot instead of higher up.

Lucky
Lucky

How do we know he even had a gun. On pat down it should have been discovered. Its a known fact that they produce guns to cover their butts, especially in a police state that Az is.Iisn't it strange that after reporting the incident they state that he is a career criminal. They even interviewed his estranged wife to confirm. Was she bought and paid for by Arpaio. It smells like a cover up, and no one cares about this because he is a black man. A BAD  BLACK MAN.No one even cares to comment on this. I'm surprised to see this article. Perhaps Rev. Al Sharpton would care.

tom
tom

I think barney may have shot his own toe off. I can't believe they didn't find a gun during the pat down.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

that is of course if they actually did a pat down.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Why haven't the names of the deputy and detention officer been released?

Why was a detention officer riding with a deputy?

Was the D.O. considered 'on duty' at the time or was he riding along as a volunteer or 'citizen'?

Was the supervisor of both 'officers' aware of their status?

So many questions and ONCE AGAIN, NO ANSWERS from the opaque window at the media machine office of MCSO.

The MCSO press 'release' will read something like this:

"One of our very brave detention officers saved the life of patrol deputy today during a traffic stop involving an intoxicated violent criminal. During the arrest the suspect, possibly an illegal immigrant, managed to get a hidden gun and started shooting at citizens. The detention officer and the deputy both feared for the safety of citizens and then shot the suspect to death.

The detention officer, who suffered a gun shot wound to the lower body, was taken by ambulance from the scene and is expected to make a full recovery and back at work serving the voters of Maricopa County once again.

The detention officer and the deputy have both been nominated for the highest awards possible and both are expected to receive immediate promotions."

Meanwhile, the Shurf has announced that MCSO will be building petting stations throughout Arizona where citizens can visit pets needing homes.

Charlie the Orangutan, also an Honorary Commander of the Pet Posse, will be driving the armored vehicle in the Christmas parade next week in Casa Grande. *************************************************************************************************************Too far fetched for even MCSO?

Nah... say it ain't so...

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

Your comments are irresponsible and naive.

You seem to have lost all touch with reality when it comes to your hatred for MCSO.

Can you tell me the names of other officers from other agencies that were involved in fatal shootings?

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

See, there you go again. Being critical of me because I am critical of YOUR agency not being transparent and professional.

I DON'T harbor any hatred for your agency, MCSO.

I DO harbor extreme disappointment and animosity toward YOUR sheriff and those commanders you work for who support his mismanagement of the agency.

I DO support those professionals working for MCSO who don't support the sheriff and his mismanagement.

Did you throw your ICE badge on the table?

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

that isn't too far fetched. What would a DO be doing on a traffic DUI checkpoint. I am not a cop and I am a little confused myself.

MIKE YEVTUCK
MIKE YEVTUCK

 There you go worrying again way to much Tom. Relax Tom  life will take care of it self.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Thanks for your concern, Mike. My name is actually Tommy.

Bnbk
Bnbk

I was watching channel 12 news and they said something to the effect that the DO was there because he was trained in" impairment recognition" & that they frequently do this type of joint operation. Have you ever heard of this type of thing Tommy ?

Roscoe P. Coltrain
Roscoe P. Coltrain

If he is a Detention Officer, he should have been working in the JAILS. Not the streets. His salary is being paid from the JAIL budget and from the DETENTION FUND, not the Deputies general budget fund. Didn't Pendejoarpaio get dicked for doing this already? Detention officers have NO arrest powers anymore than a citizen does.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Sounds like pure MCSO spin to me, Bnbk. I can't imagine the patrol deputy didn't have training in roadside sobriety testing and/or gaze nystagmis, at the very least.

This incident is EXACTLY what makes all the good employees at MCSO look so bad. If the agency, from the sheriff down, would just be open and honest with the public and admit when they make mistakes most folks would be willing to say, "That was stupid. I sure hope you learned from it" and then move on.

By being so secretive and evasive and keeping the public wondering (while waiting the public out so the incident can die down and the MCSO media machine can crank out yet another 'feel good' story) they lose any credibility they might have.

Honestly, my friends and contacts with local law enforcement agencies are all in awe of the level of stupidity being displayed by the Shurf and the County Attorney.

Under the circumstances, RIGHT NOW is when MCSO should be the most open about the jail death and this shooting, and they aren't saying anything.

We, the voters and taxpayers of Maricopa County, deserve better law enforcement from MCSO and better legal handling from the County Attorney.

I'm shocked the governor doesn't seem to think there is need for concern.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

lol ok, you explained it to someone else. That makes sense I guess, I still am curious. BTW why wouldn't a DO not know how to properly restrain a suspect?

Bnbk
Bnbk

Yea,I found it very strange that they would have a DO helping instead of a sheriffs deputy.Thanks for the insight Tommy.

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