Arizona Legislators Still Want Guns on College Campuses

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Arizona state legislators have redrafted legislation that would allow guns on college campuses, despite Governor Jan Brewer's vetoing of a similar bill earlier this year.

The new bill is just a modified version of the old bill, which Brewer felt was too vague. However, after vetoing it, the governor said she supports "the thoughtful expansion of where firearms should be allowed."

"The actual legislation that does so must be both unambiguous and clear to protect the Second Amendment rights of lawful gun owners. Senate Bill 1467 [last year's bill to allow guns on campus] is neither," she explained at the time.

Gun-loving Arizona legislators want to allow people to carry firearms on campus rights of way, like roads, parking lots, and sidewalks. However, guns would not be permitted inside university buildings -- as long as the university posts signs saying guns are not permitted and provide gun owners with a place to securely store their weapons.

According to the Arizona Republic, "Secure storage would likely mean gun lockers inside at least one entrance of each building so an individual could lock up their gun and hold onto the key until they retrieve their gun, similar to a locker offered at gyms. According to a legislative staff report from earlier this year, gun lockers could cost $100 to $300 each. The universities and community colleges would likely be expected to foot the bill."

Supporters of the new bill have taken Brewer's concerns about thee previous bill into account (in the previous bill, Brewer says rights of way aren't clearly defined, and the wording could also have applied to K-12 campuses).

The new bill already has the support of the National Rifle Association, and legislators reportedly have held pre-session meetings with university and law-enforcement officials.

The bill is expected to be introduced when the new legislative session begins on January 9.

If the bill becomes law, Arizona would be only the fifth state in the entire country to allow guns on college campuses.

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Duke
Duke

Does anyone have a sane reason to have guns on campus? Research has shown that people are 22 times more likely to kill someone other than an intruder (these are the facts). Think about the guy that almost shot the hero that took the gun from Laughner (sp)? Even police say they only hit their human targets 50% of the time. Two-thirds of the legislators do not have college degrees and do not realize how this will change education.Allowing guns on campuses will destroy the educational environment, changing it from a place where education is the focus to one where anarchy and immature thugs will dominate. People don't carry guns for protection. They carry them because they are paranoid, unsuccessful and powerless in life and need something to make them feel "big"--a way to assert their manhood. 1070 has made AZ the laughing stock of the country (actually the world). Here we go again!

malasangre
malasangre

if anybody has one you can believe i want mine.  just having a gun in their possession gives someone with no power go crazy sometimes.  thats why the bully victims lose it or some guy at work goes postal. & don't forget the whacko po-po

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

the gun lobby wants to make more $$$$$

Walter Concrete
Walter Concrete

Corruption has destroyed the system of government and law enforcement.   More legislation only buries what laws are in effect but not enforced.    Corruption has polluted the system to the extent that political offices, especially in Washington, have become a vehicle for psychopaths to create pain, death, destruction and to fill their own money bags while stripping the world's economies to the bare bone.    Tell me how a legislator can accomplish anything when he's bribed with riches beyond his dreams or threatened with death to himself and his family.   Then he watches while those who ignored the threats die in small plane crashes or in car accidents.   Perhaps he'd be lucky and only be convicted of possessing child pornography on his computer or accused of being a latent homosexual by someone he never met before and just have his life ruined and silenced.    This is why things are the way they are today.    So, those of you who are so eager to wait for the political system to solve all the problems are actually part of the problem.    Instead of voting, stop participating.   Stop paying taxes, stop buying bullshit things you don't need.   Crash the infected system.   The way things are going, the system is crashing itself.    Unfortunately, those in power will still be in power.   It's time to bend over and kiss our asses goodbye.

Walter Concrete
Walter Concrete

It sure might save your life if some clown starts using students as targets.    If you're not armed you'll die while cowering underneath a desk.    Better to arm yourself and not show it even if it's illegal.     People get tired of living under the political psychotic's laws.     If everyone carried, then no one would tell them not to and crazy people wouldn't get to shoot 19 students and teachers.    That crap would end.    But, that's why you aren't allowed to carry in schools...so that it can happen.    I suppose most would take the side of the psychotic politician and the psychotic shooter...but only if they weren't getting shot at.    Perspective allows too many people to hide in their heads and dictate to others how they must live.

mlimberg
mlimberg

Guns don't kill people, people kill people....

The 2nd amendment stands. It makes America great and protect fools and idiots from invasion.

Check out the history as to why the Japanese did not invade the West Coast after Pearl Harbor...

Barry Hirsh
Barry Hirsh

The point is that violent crime can happen anywhere. To think that it won't happen on campus is to whistle past the graveyard, especially since evidence proves that it does.

Since violent crime is a valid reason to carry a gun, carrying a gun on campus is a valid exercise of your right to self-defense.

Logic 101

Barry Hirsh
Barry Hirsh

Good. Pass the sucker, and tell the opponents to shut up and go away.

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jarhead1982
jarhead1982

Not sure I understand the point of you having a first amendment right, much less being smart enough to exercise it, so what is your point?

WilliamJohnston
WilliamJohnston

Guns in the hands of drunken college kids is not a solution to a problem, but it is the problem..Vetting the one's to get a license and those that will not get a license would be a huge problem for law enforcement........There are very few that could make the cut to get a license when I attended college and I do not believe that college has changed that much. 

Bryantmoore88
Bryantmoore88

Heres an idea that would this issue....just carry ur ass too class do your work ....go to work then come home and go out with people like normal college who can careless about guns....but that just us in jersey..we got other things to worry about such as girls to talk to....not how big is ur gun? Go to school learn make money n party...no need for all that violence...n as far as our rights...i feel safer knowing the police on campus are the only one with guns ....teens with guns on campus...comeon look at Vt? Do we need more of that on campus? Well IM glad I graduated and don't have to worry bout law maker malting iits easier for people like them to shot me for no reason....so to me this is a no brainer issue....hell to guns on higher Ed campuses

Vengtoo
Vengtoo

I think everyone should be armed ALL of the time! Always!www.Total-Privacy dot US

Vote them out !
Vote them out !

This is why we need to get rid of all those good for nothing Tea Party politicians.

woefatcat
woefatcat

This means I will be one step closer to requesting specialized parking at ASU for my sherman tank. Yeah!

Bnbk
Bnbk

So these gun lockers are estimated to cost 100 to 300 dollars a pop. That's all we need for our institutes of higher learning ,more cost to be passed on to the students. When the hell are these Republi-Con wackjobs going to stop with all this bullshit legislation & address the real issues facing this state? A complete house cleaning of the capitol is in order.

Reggie VV
Reggie VV

Ron Gould just wants a red meat grandstanding issue to ride to Congress.  The brain dead Brewer already used up the illegal alien issue, so Gould needs another to show he is a puppet of Wayne LaPierre.

Allen Hrm
Allen Hrm

Dear Fool,Please peddle your junk elsewhere.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

what legislators are threatened with death?you sound like an anarchist. Is that what you want?

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

or in a chaotic scene like a school shooting at a college you might get shot by the police because they might think you are a shooter. Fail logic.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

funny but what invasion? There have been none because other countries feared OUR Military. We were scared of invading Japan so much because they were suicidally brainwashed.

Barry Hirsh
Barry Hirsh

If there were any evidence to back up your (typical) prognostication, you would have a valid argument. Since there is none, you have none.

jarhead1982
jarhead1982

Being that you have oh so much proof to substantiate your what if BS scenario. Oh wait, you never do.

Get back to us when have more than emotional and useless ka ka to substantiate your what if ka ka.

See, sane people really dont care what you believe should have any impact on ones rihghts, we only believe facts can be used to affect our rights, and you have none.

Try again rookie.

AE
AE

You graduated from a university? All grammatical errors aside, I find it interesting that you think allowing law enforcement to be the only ones to legally carry a firearm on campus makes it "safer". Do you think any of the students who have brought guns to school and used them to commit violent acts was deterred by an institutions ban? Come on. I went to school in Utah, and carried a concealed firearm to class every day - there are no locker requirements here. I felt safe knowing that myself and others on campus could defend themselves if needed. I'm glad you felt safe while you were on campus... Ignorance is bliss.

ExNuke
ExNuke

So you really think that the Police are the only ones with guns on campus? In New Jersey? VT's no gun policy really worked well, didn't it? It would probably work out better for your ambition to make money if you would drop one of your "how to party" classes and sign up for Remedial English.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

agreed. Anyone with an R next to their name needs to be voted out.They are too right wing and they haven't done shit since I have been here except raise these stupid issues that aren't really required.

PavePusher
PavePusher

The locker requirement is exactly in line with existing state law for guns in public buildings.  You can look this up if you want to.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

agreed it's to make us forget that republicans don't want to raise the taxes like they need too.

CJAZ
CJAZ

So just pass on the gun locker cost to the people who want to carry guns on campus. Either register all guns owned by sudents, facutlty, etc. on campus and charge a fee, and/or make the gun lockers a pay-by-credit-card operating system and charge gun carriers to store them. Problem solved.

DPSnAZ
DPSnAZ

Wayne LaPierre, the great gun rights promoter, who somehow, mysteriously, fails to mention, ever, that he politely declined to walk the walk and serve in the Armed Forces of this country. Isn't that strange? Some folks refer to people like Mr. LaPierre as cowards.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

I think the best gun legislation the legislature could write would be to allow all citizens to carry firearms (maybe even require it) in the Capitol bldg and especially in the legislative chambers.

Barry Hirsh
Barry Hirsh

Excuse me, but getting the government the hell out of our way IS "required".

Michael De Armond
Michael De Armond

agreed. Anyone with an D next to their name needs to be voted out.They are too left wing and they haven't done shit since I have been here except raise these stupid issues that aren't really required.

Bnbk
Bnbk

No one is disputing that fact. My comments were more in reference to the cost that will be incurred & the legislature's inability to do the job that they were voted into office to do.While I am a strong supporter of our second amendment rights,I find this piece of legislation totally unecessary. This article doesn't state who was actually lobbying for this law,it just states that it has the backing of the NRA. If students & faculty were the ones that wanted this legislation then,I say,yes by all means pass it. If this law was the brain child of special interest,that will stand to make a profit,then everyone should be questioning the underlying motives that could be at play here. Overall,I agree with your comments.You are correct about not having to be in the military to "learn about guns". Courses are out there for anyone that has an interest in learning about military weapons. In closing let me thank you for your service to our country.

Walter Concrete
Walter Concrete

Why don't you get off of that dead horse you continue to whip.    All parties do the exact same thing.    Open your blind eyes.    Take off the blindfold.     The poltical system only exists to control you and make you hysterical.  "Republicans"....  "Democrats" shit dude, sometimes you just need to read a book or better yet turn on the discernment switch in your political head.

Barry Hirsh
Barry Hirsh

OK, then pass the added cost of Handicap Parking on to handicapped people.

Werks fer ME.

[eyecross]

Bnbk
Bnbk

In theory,but there still has to be an initial investment & other incurred cost such as insurance amongst other considerations.Cost will be passed on to the students.

PavePusher
PavePusher

Serving in the military is not a prerequisite for exercising a Constitutional Right.  I say this as a 21-year veteran of the USAF.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

I do. If I wanted to learn about guns I would have joined the military. Instead the pacifist in me decided to help people by serving them when they need it most. Like say when their house is on fire.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

would their be no penalties if you for a brief moment decided to show your displeasure and hatred out on one of the said legislative people that tried to shout you down, failed to listen to you, or otherwise tried to trample your civil liberties?

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

why is that required? What is required is that the government serve the people NOT corporations, lobbyists, etc.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

btw CAN't Come up with your own argument so you gotta flip it around. If you listen to what I say then you will learn exactly what I mean whereas when you mimic me there is no meaning to that that I can discern from what you copied from me.

Barry Hirsh
Barry Hirsh

Hint: If the government got the hell out of the way and let peaceable people carry guns everywhere except jails, prisons, mental wards and courtrooms, there would BE no cost.

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

or maybe I need to bet my opinion out there whether you like it or not?

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Now that is quite a correlation. I doubt those who are handicapped chose to be so.

DPSnAZ
DPSnAZ

I think you know, PavePusher, that Mr. Wayne LaPierre does not stand for exercising a Constitutional Right, this man is all about the the gun lobby , big gun business and not walking the walk.

malasangre
malasangre

do you think our military (Air Force, still in Iraq) will allow Israel to fly over and bomb their neighbor Iran?

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

and we also bomb women and children in Middle Eastern countries and before that Southeast Asian countries.

PavePusher
PavePusher

You don't have to be in the military to "learn about guns".  In fact, military weapons training is, on average, very coursory.  And for the record, we help lots of people.  Like say when their country is over-run by a neighbor, or a tidal wave destroy's their coastline, or earthquakes wreck their cities, or floods wash away their homes.....

PTCGAZ
PTCGAZ

lol you missed my point entirely.

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