Joe Arpaio: Hawaiian Twins and Microfiche Could Be the Key to Solving Barack Obama "Birther" Mystery

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If the Hawaiian twin/microfiche theory doesn't pan out, Joe Arpaio says his "birther" posse is exploring other leads to prove whether Barack Obama is eligible to be president.
An article appeared on the website of infamous "birther" conspiracy theorist Jerome Corsi earlier this week claiming that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has "delivered" on the "surprise" he promised "birthers" in regards to the sheriff's investigation into whether President Barack Obama is eligible to be president.

Stop us if you've heard this one before, but the president's citizenship is again in question.

We spoke to Arpaio yesterday afternoon. His surprise for the "birthers": Hawaiian twins and microfiche.

The sheriff tells New Times he doesn't want to speak too much about the investigation because it's currently ongoing, but explains that his posse is exploring several investigative leads.

"No one has talked about microfiche. The controversy has been over the birth certificate -- maybe the numbers are not in sequence, or it's been forged; I can go on and on," Arpaio explains. "To help the president of the United States, let's go to the microfiche."

According to the sheriff, two twins -- the Nordyke twins -- were born on August 5, 1961 at the same hospital as the president. August 5, 1961, is one day after President Obama was (allegedly -- if you ask a "birther") born in Hawaii. The twins' birth certificates can be found on microfiche documents that the sheriff says are on file with the Hawaii Department of Health, or some Hawaiian government agency.

If Obama was born in the same hospital the day before the twins, according to the sheriff, the posse should be able to locate the president's birth certificate on similar microfiche files.

"All you have to do if you're the president is go to the Department of Health, or whatever, and release the microfiche," Arpaio says. "If his birth certificate is on that microfiche -- just like the two twins -- then he's cleared."

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Arpaio goes on to say "I'm doing this to actually help clear the president -- if he's on that microfiche."

Arpaio says he doesn't have an opinion either way about whether Obama is a U.S. citizen. He says, though, that members of a local Tea Party came to him with 200 signatures asking him to look into it. 

"I'm not gonna throw it in the wastebasket just because there's some controversy -- you know me," he says. "Let's get this resolved, one way or the other -- that's all."

It should be noted that the folks who pushed for the "birther" investigation are Arpaio's bread and butter when it comes to his support base in Maricopa County: far-right-wingers. And a politically savvy headline-hound like Arpaio wouldn't want to cross them, regardless of how far-fetched, continuously disproved, or laughable their theories about Obama's citizenship may be.

The sheriff points out that the investigation is being carried out by his "cold case posse" at no cost to taxpayers. For the posse -- not the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office -- the investigation is a high priority.

"It is a priority right now. We started this and I'd like to get this finished -- not drag it on forever like some people may be doing," he says.

It should also be noted that Arpaio is one of the few people on the planet still entertaining the whole "birther" theory, which has been continuously debunked since it was first concocted about four years ago -- so much for not letting the issue "drag on forever."

"[The microfiche] is something new -- all I'm asking [Obama] is [to] come up with the microfiche. Either [his birth certificate is] gonna be on it, or he's not gonna be on it, which means he wasn't born in the [Hawaiian] hospital," he says.

If the microfiche/Hawaiian twin theory doesn't pan out, Arpaio says his posse has "other information we're coming up with" that could also potentially put the Barack Obama "birther" theory to rest.

The sheriff says the birther posse's report is expected early next year. Also planned for next year is the 2012 election for Maricopa County sheriff. Click here to see New Times' online town hall with Arpaio's opponent, Scottsdale Lieutenant Mike Stauffer -- who's assured us he won't waste MCSO resources investigating things like "birthers," the moon landing "hoax," the Kennedy assassination, or any other continuously debunked, crackpot conspiracy theory.

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Had enough
Had enough

Until he proves differently, obama is an undocumented, unconstitutional usurper of the high office of the POTUS and not even a US Citizen. A forged COLB just doesn't get it.

Had enough
Had enough

Forged COLB, SS Card Fraud, Indonesia passport, Kenya born father that is a british subject, the lies, deceit, concealed and hidden documentation of this man are the reasons his eligibility is questioned.  Who in their right mind wouldn't question this?

ANN B
ANN B

Thats right folks, all legit, thats why we had to forge one in the first place. Hmm whats this? The president used 120 different social security numbers?? No, no possible not our "CHANGE" man. Lets see...Hmmm Obama is 3 generation CIA operative? NO! Wait the White House put our an offical denial stating "obama did not go to Mars" in response to 5 whistleblowers exposing that they and Obama and 4 others where part of a secret CIA jump room where Tesla technology was used to teleport people to Mars. Wow imagine that!!! Why woudl the white hosue bother to put our a denial if the story is not true?? Do you mean if I download photos of Obama and Osama and use the same identification measurements as used to identify people such as hand, lines, wrist, inner ear, eyes and teeth I find that they are the same person??? Wow I can't do that its too hard and would make me wake up.. No no I rather stay asleep and believe the subtle hypnotic mind control words.."CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" "YES WE CAN" "YES WE CAN"..."BELIEVE" "BELIEVE" ...SLEEP NOW.

William Balint
William Balint

It almost hurts to read some of the public education system comments here.  YES the 14th amendment says anyone born in the 'united States' AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is a citizen.  Problem is no one here so far as I have seen has a clue as to what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof' means. Anyone who wants to know could easily find it. Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan -- the author of the citizenship clause, "“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))E. de Vattel’s Law of Nations (1758). "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children.”

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

"It is evident from the proviso in the act of 10th February, 1855, viz., 'that the rights of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers never resided in the United States,' that the lawmaking power not only had in view this limit to the efficiency of its own municipal enactments in foreign jurisdiction, but that it has conferred only a qualified citizenship upon the children of American fathers born without the jurisdiction of the United States, and has denied to them what pertains to other American citizens -- the right of transmitting citizenship to their children -- unless they shall have made themselves residents of the United States or, in the language of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, have made themselves 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof.'"

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In Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, Chief Justice Gray was specifically asked to address “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” and held it meant:

The persons declared to be citizens are “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof.” The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States,but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them (U.S.) direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.Chief Justice Gray was also the Judge in Wong Kim Ark, which many here are intentionally or out of ignorance portraying as granting 'NBC" status to foreign children.

Chief Justice Gray, in giving the Opinion of the Court states: "The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. 162; Ex parte Wilson, 114 U. S. 417,114 U. S. 422; Boyd v. United States, 116 U. S. 616,116 U. S. 624,116 U. S. 625; Smith v. Alabama, 124 U. S. 465. The language of the Constitution, as has been well said, could not be understood without reference to the common law. Kent Com. 336; Bradley, J., in Moore v. United States, 91 U. S. 270,91 U. S. 274.

 

In  Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 21 Wall. 162 162 (1874), the court said: "The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar,it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

 The General Principles of Constitutional Law in the United States of America Thomas Cooley (1880)

How Citizenship is acquired. — The fourteenth amendment indicates the two methods in which one may become a citizen: first, by birth in the United States;2 and, second, by naturalization therein.

But a citizen by birth must not only be born within the United States, but he must also be subject to the jurisdiction thereof; and by this is meant that full and complete jurisdiction to which citizens generally are subject, and not any qualified and partial jurisdiction, such as may consist with allegiance to some other government. The amendment, therefore, affirms the citizenship of children born within the United States of all persons, of whatever race or color; but it does not affirm the citizenship "of children of foreign sovereigns" or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory." 1

1 United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649, 693.2 This would include, also, birth abroad of children of American citizens temporarily residing or travelling in other countries. Key. Stat. U. S., § 1993.

I can do this all day long.   I have spent 30 years studying the Constitution and Laws of the Land.   

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John Doe
John Doe

Oh, it has been continuously debunked? That's what you call the fact that leftist media such as phoenixnewtimes try to cover up the whole thing? Everybody with one brain cell left could tell that the long form released by Obama was a forgery, but interestingly, the media preferred not to talk about it. Good to see Arpaio looking into it. If he finds something, Obama will be toast.

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Hawaii Massage

 

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Hawaii Massage
Hawaii Massage

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Bob Parsons
Bob Parsons

This is nothing more than political theater and tit for tat politics between Obama and the state of Arizona.  More drama is expected here when Arizona tries to keep Obama of the ballot in the presidential election having deemed him ineligible due to lack of citizenship or whatever they come up with.

ksdb
ksdb

Bob, it's not a simple lack of citizenship. The Constitution stipulates "natural-born" citizenship as one of the three requirements of office. The law in Arizona requires that candidates meets those three requirements in order to be placed on the ballot. The Supreme Court, when construing the Constitutional use of the term natural-born citizen in the section on presidential requirements, defined it as all persons born in the country to citizen parents and distinguished that definition from aliens or foreigners. While we can respect the general idea that today birth in the United States confers citizenship on most people (due to the 14th amendment and 20th century nationality legislation), it is not equal to natural-born citizenship unless both parents are citizens. The founders chose the criteria of natural-born citizenship because it provided the strongest inherent check against the admission of foreign nationals as the commander in chief. While this check failed in 2008, it's not too late to make things right in 2012.   

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

There are two kinds of citizen:

1) Natural, or native born and2) Naturalized.

Quit spreading lies to fit your racist view of a multicultural America.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Nope.  You've just joined a fringe group that has invented this new class of citizenship because it excludes Barack Obama.

He's a natural born citizen.  The courts have affirmed that, with bona fide evidence of Obama's birth in the USA.  He's the president.

Get used to it. Go Uncover the Truth, Haskins.

ksdb
ksdb

Sorry, but this is simply wrong. The Supreme Court noted a distinction between natural-born citizenship and what it called "citizenship by birth" in the Wong Kim Ark decision. It said that when considering the birth clause in the 14th amendment, it did NOT say who natural-born citizens are. Later in the decision it said the cateogry of "citizenship by birth" is specifically defined BY the 14th amendment.

Do you understand that? One type of birth citizenship is defined by the Constitution and the other is not. The court also emphasized that persons born in the country to citizen parents were EXCLUDED from the birth provision in the 14th amendment.

"Natural-born" is a characterization of citizenship that only applies to persons born in the country of citizen parents.

AnotherMesaVoter
AnotherMesaVoter

The passport theory of 1981 - it is false that americans were prohibited to visit Pakistan in the summer of 1981, he, like all other Americans, could have openly done so bearing a U.S. Passport.Ref: http://www.snopes.com/politics...The Fourteenth Amendment states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack obama's parents were both non-U.S. citzens who hadn't even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he'd still qualify as a natural-born citizen.http://www.snopes.com/politics...The clause's meaning was tested again in the case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark 169 U.S. 649 (1898). The Supreme Court held that under the Fourteenth Amendment a man born within the United States to Chinese citizens who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States—and whose parents were not employed in a diplomatic or other official capacity by a foreign power—was a citizen of the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...Those who have actually touched and examined the original certificate have verified and documented that it bears all the elements of a valid certificate of live birth.Both of Honolulu's major newspapers (the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin) published announcements in August 1961 documenting the birth, in Honolulu, of a son to Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama on 4 August 1961.http://www.snopes.com/politics...

I can't add anymore... it's getting too long so just go to snopes.com.  I guess now they'll have to do another one for the Hawaiian twins, and then there was...  It's funny when you go out and really research the truth and then see comments still spitting out false stories that have been debunked for years. Some of the comments I picture people sitting around breakfast at Denny's - and my cousin from over in Poplar Bluff, MO said that his neighbor told him...  the cousin may have said it with real conviction only because he didn't check out the facts.  Kind of like some of these comments.

ksdb
ksdb

The passport theory is only brought up because nobody knows what passport Obama traveled under. The last known passport record showed Soebarkah (evidently one of Obama's names) being removed from his mother's passport. Around the same time, Barry Soetoro was listed as an Indonesian citizen on a school register in Jakarta. There's no documentation up until Obama's run for president that shows anything regarding his citizenship.

The Supreme Court said in U.S. v Wong Kim Ark, that when construing the 14th amendment, that it did NOT say who shall be natural-born citizens and that the Supreme Court was committed to the view that children born in the country of citizens were EXCLUDED from the citizen clause of the 14th amendment.

There's no evidence that ANYONE with any legal expertise has "touched and examined" the "original certificate." It certainly hasn't happened in a court of law. Also, the Honolulu newspaper announcements did NOT list a place of birth, so they don't prove anything about the place of birth.

Relying on Snopes rather than the original source is both stupid and dangerous.

AnotherMesaVoter
AnotherMesaVoter

Again, my main reason for posting - is do not trust what I say, on the same note don't trust what ksdb says. Go out and find reliable sources.  I see so many bloggers posting things as facts and then when investigated it's easy to see that the person did not have the facts when they posted.  Bloggers are notorious for just hearing something and then reposting it without any further investigation.

"Relying on Snopes rather than the original source is both stupid and dangerous"  I agree and relying on bloggers is the most dangerous way of getting your information. Investigate it for yourselves.

You can start with the 14th amendment to see if what I've posted is fact or what ksdb has posted is fact. There are numerous sources out there.

Bucky Moraniss
Bucky Moraniss

I DEMAND TO SEE GEORGE WASHINGTON'S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE! OTHERWISE AMERICA IS ILLEGAL!!!

ksdb
ksdb

Enough with the lazy race card. Expect better of yourself. The Constitution requires that the president be a NATURAL-BORN CITIZEN. Dual citizens are NOT natural-born citizens. Don't be so stupid.

Joe Acerbic
Joe Acerbic

"Dual citizens are NOT natural-born citizens", say all 23 birfoons but nobody else. IF that were the law, it would be utterly moronic (befitting again birfoons but nobody else): all it would take is Kim Jong Il declaring everybody born U.S. citizen also a citizen of North Korea and presto! No more natural-born citizens. Birfoons are stoopid.

ksdb
ksdb

Sorry, Joe, but your post is moronic nonsense. Foreign leaders have no recognizable jurisdiction to make such declarations for people whom they have no pre-established ties. Natural-born means "without law" and "without doubt." Someone born in the country to citizens of that country does NOT require law nor arbitrary declarations to be universally recognized as a citizen of that same country. Someone born there of one or more foreign nationals must rely on an act of government such as the 14th amendment or naturalization legislation and/or must satisfy various legal requirements. This is the OPPOSITE of natural-born. Obama, IF he can LEGALLY prove he was born in Hawaii would ONLY be a citizen through the collective naturalization statute for Hawaii because his parents do not satisfy the other definitions of citizenship ... ESPECIALLY NOT NBC.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Go.  Wait for Jesus or something. 

ksdb
ksdb

All children born in the country to citizen parents. These are the natural-born citizens. Children born to deported Kenyans are NOT natural-born citizens ... except maybe of Kenya. Michelle Obama said Kenya was her husband's home country. What a stupid birther she is. 

ksdb
ksdb

Your intellectual dishonesty is showing. What part of "These are the natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners" says ANYTHING about declining to decide who is a natural born citizen?? And you're outright wrong about the Wong Kim Ark case. It cited the Minor definition of natural-born citizen verbatim and upheld that Virginia Minor's citizenship was based on both jus soli and jus sanguinis criteria. NOTHING in Wong Kim Ark says that NBC = "born a citizen." Absolutely NOTHING. You're simply making this up. 

What it did say is that NBCs are EXCLUDED from the citizen clause of the 14th amendment. It also said that to be a citizen under the 14th amendment, the parents needed to have permanent residence and domicil. Even if Obama was born on the steps of the Capitol building in Washington D.C., he is neither a natural-born citizen NOR a 14th amendment citizen, the latter because his father was deported and had NO permanent residence or domicil in the U.S. 

katahdin
katahdin

The "Minor" nonsense again. I read the case. It's a voters' rights case. And you left out part of the quote. The part where the court specifically declines to decide who is a natural born citizen.The Wong Kim Ark case declared that anyone born in the US, without reference to parental citizenship, was born a citizen. Since the definition of natural born citizen is "born a citizen,"  that establishes that President Obama is natural born citizen and our big ole legal president.Born in the USAHe was born in the USA

Joe Acerbic
Joe Acerbic

I don't talk to traitors. Go home to North Korea before somebody mails you there.

ksdb
ksdb

English, Joe, English. While we use that language in the U.S., we do not elect English citizens as our president. I've cited the Supreme Court as legal precedent. Why do keep ignoring that??

Joe Acerbic
Joe Acerbic

I and everybody else understand that you're an America hating traitor who wants to let foreign rulers determine who is or isn't eligible for POTUS, allowing them to even tweak their laws so that they would disqualify all candidates except their favourite. Are you a lobbyist for Ahmadinejad or Kim Jong Il? It makes sense considering how endangered species dictators have become during the Obama administration: naturally they want to use any agents available to try to get rid of him, even the totally witless and feeble ones.

ksdb
ksdb

Joe, you undermine your whining about incoherence after what you've posted. It's sad that you're so desperate that you think what you've posted makes any sense. The facts are simple: The Supreme Court defined natural-born citizen as is directly related to Art II Sec I of the Constitution. Obama does NOT fit that definition. Period. It matters not how much you babble about 1900 A.D. or Kim Jong Il. Obama's own website even said he was born subject to British law on citizenship. HINT: This is the United States of American, not Great Britain. Kenya understand that??? 

Joe Acerbic
Joe Acerbic

Any ruler who wanted to mess with U.S. elections could make such a law any time, IF U.S. law were as stupid as you imagine and allowed foreign citizenship rules to affect eligibility. Thank Xenu it isn't.

So you were babbling about the naturalization that happened in Hawaii in 1900 A.D.? Thought it was supposed to have something to do with Obama. My bad for not anticipating the extent of your incoherence.

ksdb
ksdb

Joe, are you really THIS stupid?? Show us any law where the ruler of one country arbitrarily declared persons resident in other countries with no ties to his own country are citizens of the ruler's country.

Second, if you don't understand what collective naturalization is, here's a definition: "a process by which members of a whole group of people living in the same geographic area become American citizens through an act of Congress." Title III, Chapter 1 in the Immigration and Nationality Act is entitled "NATIONALITY AT BIRTH AND BY COLLECTIVE NATURALIZATION." Look, I can fix ignorant and show you the law. I can't fix your intentional stupidity.

Joe Acerbic
Joe Acerbic

"Foreign leaders have no recognizable jurisdiction to make such declarations for people whom they have no pre-established ties."

Whoever makes the law in any country indeed has the "jurisdiction" to decide who they consider citizens of that country, idiot. U.S. law certainly can't restrict it in any way and is wisely not even trying. Funny what kind of pretzels birfoons constantly have to twist to try to invent rules that would disqualify Obama. "collective naturalization statute for Hawaii"... what mushrooms made you come up with that hallucination?

ksdb
ksdb

Sorry, but this is false. U.S. law does NOT define natural-born citizenship. This was confirmed in at least TWO different U.S. Supreme Court decisions. It's not personal opinion; it is fact.

"The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners."

katahdin
katahdin

Under US law, anyone born in the US is a natural born citizens. There is no law or precedence for the notion that dual citizenship affects natural born status in any way. Your personal opinion is baseless as to the facts.

moororless
moororless

The fact that there are still so many people trying to claim that Obama is in some way a fraud is truly mind-boggling. The only two reasons are that he is black and a Democrat. There really are too many stupid, ignorant and unpleasant people in the US.

ksdb
ksdb

Nonsense. It's because Obama was born to a foreign national who got deported when his request to extend his student passport was denied. Had Obama's mama been a faithful wife and stayed with her alleged husband, she and her son would have been deported along with him back to Kenya. Real natural-born citizens (as the Constitution requires for presidential eligibility) don't face possible deportation because there isn't another country of which your parents are subjects or citizens. Obama's alleged birth certificates show a variety of problems that have never been sufficiently NOR legally explained. This means that Obama is both Constitutionally deficient and more than likely criminally fraudulent.

katahdin
katahdin

There are no circumstance under which the US government would deport two natural born citizens of the US. Do you think that somehow Barack Obama Sr.'s scary foreign seed tainted them?

ksdb
ksdb

You need to read the two court cases I cited more closely. The so-called natural-born citizen children of Diaz-Salazar (who was common-law married to an American citizen and mother of the children) were NOT being protected by the court. What part of "His children are still of pre-school age and thus less susceptible to the disruption of education and change of language involved in moving to Mexico" do you NOT understand?? Obama was preschool age when Barack Sr. was sent back to Kenya. No court would have done anything to stop little Barry from returning to his home country of Kenya.

katahdin
katahdin

Obama is the child of an American citizen mother. No court would deport them, no matter how much you wish to de-Americanize our president. He is more of an American than you will ever be.

ksdb
ksdb

Sorry, but a) Obama is not a natural-born citizen, only his mother. B) The law doesn't protect anchor babies, which was shown in at least two court cases where the petitioners TRIED to claim their children were natural-born. The courts basically said, 'Too bad, you can't stay. Take your babies with you.'

From Diaz-Salazar v. INS (1982): In the case at hand, no special circumstances are presented sufficient to bring petitioner's situation within the extreme hardship standard. His children are still of pre-school age and thus less susceptible to the disruption of education and change of language involved in moving to Mexico. There are no unique reasons why petitioner, in comparison with the many other Mexicans in his situation now resident in the United States, will be unable to find employment upon returning to Mexico or why he or any member of his immediate family requires health care available only here. Thus, although we recognize the unhappy prospects which the petitioner faces, we cannot hold that the BIA abused its discretion in denying the petitioner's motion to reopen deportation proceedings.

From NWANKPA v. KISSINGER (1974): It is believed to be detrimental to the purposes of the program and to the national interests of the countries concerned to apply a lenient policy in the adjudication of waivers including cases where marriage occurring in the United States, or the birth of a child or children, is used to support the contention that the exchange alien's departure from this country would cause personal hardship.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Let me correct you.

A dual citizen enjoys EVERY SINGLE RIGHT than does any other American citizen. 

Ignorance causes your deficiency.  But it's the hate and racism that you mix in that really confuse you.

I'd recommend not hitting the Thunderbird until after breakfast. 

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Tunnel vision is rife among birthers.  It's funny, really. 

I'm not here to engage or debate a narrow-minded racist fool like yourself.  I'm here to ridicule you.

There is no honest debate with birthers.  So why try?  Unreasonable people do not deserve to be engaged; certainly the birther way is to beg engagement, then stick their fingers in their ears so they cannot listen to reason.

Cite your sources, Matlock.  Let's see from where you begin your delusional quest down the river of misinformation....

ksdb
ksdb

munkus ... you make my work too easy by acting so stupid (maybe it's not an act). The law for when Obama was born said that for children born abroad and ..."ONLY ONE OF THE CHILD’S BIOLOGICAL PARENTS IS A U.S. CITIZEN, the child's parents were married at the time of the birth, and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States for  at least ten (10) years prior to the child’s birth, with at least a  five-year (5) presence after the age of fourteen (14)."

Obama's mama was was only 18 when Obama was born so she couldn't have met the five-year presence requirement after age 14. But, this is only to be a statutory citizen. It has NOTHING to do with natural-born citizenship, which the Supreme Court said was "born in the country to parents (plural) who were its citizens."

ALL the facts are on my side. It's no wonder you resort to imaginary friends and playing the hate card. You have nothing.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

And let's clear up something else, Dean Haskins:

1) Unfortunately, you're not imaginary, and 2) You're definitely not my friend.

But your modus operandi is clear and unmistakeable.  Your trademark hate and vitriol are obvious. 

Good luck in prison.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Whitey, you're so hateful.

And let's just get off this ridiculous myth right now.  "She was too young to impart citizenship for his birth in Kenya."

Since when is an eighteen-year-old American citizen too young to impart citizenship to her child? 

See, you guys just make stuff up.

Now, if you'd crawled back under your rock, like a good Klansman, we wouldn't have to hear these lies.

ksdb
ksdb

munkus, you need to stop making things up. Under statutory law, Obama HAD to be born in the U.S. to be a citizen through his mother. She was too young to impart citizenship for his birth in Kenya. In neither case would he be a natural born citizen. He's only a natural-born citizen if he's born in the country to citizen parents. The Supreme Court has confirmed this definition in TWO landmark cases. Making up imaginary friends does NOT change the facts. Obama is Constitutionally deficient for the office of president. It's time to get this fraud out of the White House. Quit letting this fool make a fool out of you.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Imaginary is your intellect, Dean'O.

A child of an American, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, is a natural born citizen, regardless of the father or the place of birth.

Now do what you're told and go crawl back under your rock, Whitey Haskins.

katahdin
katahdin

We do not have citizenship laws based on the paranoid belief that there is any such thing as unAmerican tainted impure unpatriotic blood. That's the kind of craziness that reigned in Nazi Germany. It's a form of racism which can never be tolerated in a nation of immigrants.

ksdb
ksdb

Plain ol' common sense tells rational people that the child of a Kenyan is not a natural-born U.S. citizen. Coming up with imaginary friends that you call "whitey" only expose you as being paranoid and delusional. Log off and seek help.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Thanks for the clarification, and for exposing yourself, Whitey. 

Just to clarify back at ya - it's not "criminally stupid," it's just something you've never experienced - plain old common sense. 

ksdb
ksdb

munkus, not only have you not presented any facts, but you've exposed yourself as either completely unstable or criminally stupid by trying to assume an identity. And once again, the race card is lazy and stupid. You seem to forget, since we're talking about a sheriff in Arizona, this is the same home state as a very prominent WHITE presidential candidate who was also challenged for not being a natural-born citizen. The difference is that Obama himself voted on an NBC resolution on McCain's behalf using the very criteria that Obama fails on. Yes, munkus, using YOUR standard, this would make Obama a racist against himself.  

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

How could I even wonder - it's good old Dean "Whitey" Haskins from the BS.  How could I mistake that vitriol for anyone else's?

Now, Dean - get back under your rock.

jtmunkus
jtmunkus

Well, Gary (Dean?):

Engaging you, once again, with facts, will not sway you nor will it allow other fools like you to see past your collective racism. 

I know, it's sad.

Don't you have a popular insurrection to attend?  A coup d'etat to stage?  A million white man march on Washington?  Propaganda to distribute?  Colleagues to visit in prison?

Freedom NEVER meant free to make up your own laws - with complete disregard to the real ones - as convenient. 

Now get back under your rock.

ksdb
ksdb

It's supported in several SCOTUS decisions: The Venus, Inglis v Sailor's Snug Harbor, Minor v. Happersett, U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, Ex parte Lockwood.

katahdin
katahdin

Does any applicable statute, or any case law, exists to support your personal opinion?

ksdb
ksdb

Natural-born means "with SOLE allegiance" to the country of which the parents are citizens. It is a character trait of citizenship that is defined outside of any government citizenship act INCLUDING the Constitution. Dual citizens are NOT NBCs and do NOT fit the Constitutional requirement for the office of president.

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