Medical Marijuana and Guns: Bad Idea?

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The U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau -- which, as we noted earlier this week, is the same agency that lets drug cartel members buy guns -- is warning firearms dealers not to sell guns to medical marijuana users.

The ATF wrote a letter to firearms dealers earlier this week warning them that federal law prohibits any user of a controlled substance from possessing or buying guns.

Clearly, that's a bit of a problem here in gun-lovin', medical-weed-smokin' Arizona.

See our story on the matter here.

Our colleague Ray Stern points out the following in his post:

A standard form filled out by gun buyers asks if the buyer is a "user of" or "addicted" to any controlled substance -- checking "yes" effectively cancels the sale.

Federal law goes even further, states the letter by Arthur Herbert, ATF assistant director of enforcement programs and services, banning sales if the gun dealer merely has a "reasonable cause to believe" a buyer might be a pot user.

"'Therefore, any person who uses or is addicted to marijuana, regardless of whether his or her state has passed authorizing marijuana use for medicinal purposes, is an unlawful user" and cannot own or buy firearms," Herbert writes.

Stern goes on to mention that "It doesn't appear, however, that the ATF has the power to cross-check gun purchases with the state's list of marijuana card-holders, meaning that from a pot patient's point of view, the system is somewhat 'on-your-honor.' It doesn't seem likely that many card-holders would, as Herbert says, offer a state-issued medical-marijuana card as identification during a gun purchase."

Stoners and guns -- on the surface -- don't seem like the greatest combination, despite what the ATF's power may be.

But we want to know what you think: should having a medical-marijuana card exclude you from your Second Amendment right to own a gun?

Cast your vote below.




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PensAndPaper
PensAndPaper

Getting mad at the ATF or some other Federal law enforcement agency does nothing but cause you to say stupid things and raise your own blood pressure.  The focus needs to be on adjusting laws so that these conflicting laws don't create problems in the future.  

PensAndPaper
PensAndPaper

Alcoholics are allowed to own guns and are allowed to have a concealed carry permit.  People with a DUI are allowed to own firearms and get a concealed carry permit.  People who go to bars and drink alcohol are allowed to own firearms and get concealed carry permits.  Alcohol impairs judgment more than marijuana does.  It's absurd to say people with a medical marijuana card cannot own firearms or get a concealed weapons permit if people who drink alcohol are allowed to own firearms and get concealed weapons permits.  There are people with all sorts of prescriptions that impair their thinking and judgment much more than alcohol or marijuana and I've never heard of there prescription being a cause to not allow them to own a firearm or get a concealed carry permit. 

sumguy
sumguy

How awesome that the overwhelming majority are for their freedoms in choice and rights as were supposed to be endowed to us by our country.

America's eyes are opening and watching you who watches us! We must maintain in vigilance and voicing our opinions, and ensure accountability on those who infringe willingly and knowingly on our rights as that is treason. 

Fuc the popo
Fuc the popo

These people are stupid and obvioulsy have not smoked "Pot"... maybe you'd be happier with yourself and tried instead of trying to make eveyone so un-happy such as your self "ATF"

5geilstrike
5geilstrike

Every medical organization supports medical marijuana, all Fed Gov studies regarding marijuana indicates it has medicinal value, thats why they have a patent on Marijuana's Cannabinoids.  Spinal Specialists sometimes recommend it to Veterans who had their legs blown off to help with pain, and muscle spasms, now these Vets cannot excercise their 2nd Amendment Rights to protect themselves, or their families.  It seems the only thing this Fed Gov is interested in is protecting the profits of large campaign funding Big-Pharma executives, and their businesses.  I hope someone out there, CIA, FBI, DEA, ATF, or anyone can print the names, and addresses of the evil, and perverted scum circumventing the intent of the 80% plus majority of American Citizens who are in favor of changing the immoral scheduled status of Medicinal Marijuana, that would give these Veterans their 2nd Amendment Rights back, we think they deserve it.

maxonepercent
maxonepercent

The ATF may not have the ability to cross-check the list of medical marijuana users against gun-check purchasers, but I guarantee you that they have the ability to charge you with a federal felony for illegal possession of a firearm if they discover you are a medical marijuana patient as a result of some "lawful" investigation or another.  I say it is about time that we just succeed and get it over with, these feds are nothing more than a cancer destroying our society from within. 

Albert
Albert

Excellent point!  

Mikemoair2
Mikemoair2

but the atf getting guns to mexican drug gangs is a good idea? do I have that right?

Drifter
Drifter

Valium is also a controlled substance -- one that is used to prevent seizures or insomnia and is on the WHO's list of essential medicines. There are dozens more examples of perfectly necessary and reasonable drugs that are controlled substances. 

To focus just on medical marijuana is a mistake. There were 354M prescriptions for controlled substances in the US in 2003, with estimates being that between 2% and 10% of the US population is prescribed a controlled substance in any given year. To say that none of these people can posses a gun, but any drunk can, is crazy.

Mofo Ex Machina
Mofo Ex Machina

There will be a large angry horde of veterans who will disagree with this...

squeeg
squeeg

1.32% will believe anything their government tells them.

girdyerloins
girdyerloins

Lessee....cannabis was made illegal back in 1937 at the urging and behest of a cabala of industries-St. Regis Paper (because a marihuana harvesting machine had just been patented the year before and the prospect of losing sales to any joe who could grow a crop of cellulose-grade cannabis to sell to competitor paper mills was too much for them.), DuPont chemical company (because cannabis produces an oil that can be used without any refining on light equipment, like guns or sewing machines.), Mellon Bank (did they forsee the day when they might profit from laundering the drug sale profits? I wonder....), just to name a few. The pharmaceutical companies most vocal about restricting it know about the studies like the one conducted by the U.S. Army in Panama in 1925 or thereabouts, which concluded it had no demonstrable ill effects on soldiers (who were also, when out of uniform, civilians.....), yet lobby for its restriction, to the point of absurdity, when clear benefits have been noted with a number of users who were accepted into federal pot provision programs thirty years ago (benefits accruing to glaucoma and pain sufferers, by the way.). By way of illustration of the effects of cannabis...a short joke. An acidhead, an alcoholic and a cannabis smoker all arrive together at a bank on Sunday. All three realize the bank is closed. The alcoholic is the first to speak and says "Let's break the door down!!". The acidhead then adds, "Let's float through the keyhole!".The pot smoker says, "Let's just sit and wait for them to open up....."Is anyone getting sick and tired of being lied to yet??? Has ANYONE heard a damn peep about potheads running amok with firearms? I haven't and I read like a fiend......And yet, we are asked to attend to, among other things, an organization which deliberately placed lives on both sides of the US/Mexican border in jeopardy with an "experiment" in gun running. Is anyone getting sick and tired of being a guinea pig in this formerly great country?

Irishgambino
Irishgambino

So wait, alcoholic drunks are okay with guns then?

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

The scenario as described is unenforceable. It is one of many examples of the lopsided negativity associated to marijuana in comparison to the rest of the drugs(legal and otherwise.) Please just legalize it and let's move on to more important issues.

Bnbk
Bnbk

So if you are already a gun owner,as most of us are and the need arises to have to use medical marijuana,one is expected to surrender his/her fire arms ? Good luck with that one. Why has the usually vocal NRA been so silent on this issue ? Medical marijuana users should not have to be left vulnerable to the criminal element just because they need to use a medication,that is not only prescribed but legal as per voter mandate. 

Eleanor
Eleanor

I think the ATF should prove they are worthy of telling anybody what to do with guns after the fiasco they created.  They can arm the bad guys but they don't want people who are on medication to protect themselves. Makes no sense to me.

As for the comments on alcohol, I agree with them.  Alcohol is dangerous.

Mistalee
Mistalee

A very bad idea. It is important for cannabis users, medical and otherwise, to have firearms. They need to protect themselves against the cops.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

If you check YES on the box you can't buy a gun. If you check NO and buy the gun but never use medical marijuana you're ok. I suppose if you buy the gun and then the marijuana you have to turn the guy in at your local police agency until you've stopped using marijuana. Or, if you are using oxycontin or other prescribed controlled substances.

How many folks are violating this very premise right now, I wonder?

Personally, I think the bigger threat is alcohol and guns. In fact, I'm willing to bet that alcohol is involved during 98% of disturbance type calls for law enforcement.

I would also expect that most of the violators of this law will be Arizona Republicans.

Foghorn
Foghorn

Big Pharma makes a whole lotta controlled substances that people are on most of the day and no one's got a beef with them having guns.

Seedy Ward
Seedy Ward

The NRA is silent because they are busy fellating the ATF & DEA. Hard to talk with a bunch of teeny peckers in your craw.

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

This comment sums up your persona, perfectly.

It will be curious to see how many take you to task. I'll bet I am the only one.

So much for civil discourse being a bipartisan rule of thumb.

Mistalee
Mistalee

Exactly. Give a stoner a gun, and he'll still spend a lot of time sitting on his sofa and giggling. Marijuana users are probably the SAFEST population to arm.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

Thank you Tommy. Weather folks want to believe it or not, Alcohol does more damage to both society and the individual than all the other drugs COMBINED. With the exception of methamphetamine, most of the harm attributed to drugs is not caused by the drugs themselves, but rather, America's obsession with trying to deal with drug use with the criminal justice system. We are a country which doesn't seem able to learn from history (Prohibition).

Judson Wallace
Judson Wallace

bingo... their shills in the FDA and DEA have prevented studies from being done on marijuana in this country... they know it would destroy them in competition

Judson Wallace
Judson Wallace

how is self defense not civil? many argue that the right to self defense is what makes a population civil. It will be curious to see how many take you to task. I'll bet I am the only one.

Seedy Ward
Seedy Ward

Meth heads may be picturesque, but there are a lot more rowdy dangerous drunks out there.

Judson Wallace
Judson Wallace

and whats even funnier is using marijuana and alcohol at the same time reduces the negative effects of the alcohol. yet marijuana is the  one that is illegal.

Yourproductsucks
Yourproductsucks

How many cop killers in the State of Arizona have been exonerated using "self defense" as their justification? Can you name one?

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