Another DOC Inmate Steals Car, Escapes Custody

• Like I said... They have several jobs available to them, again with good behavior that pay almost min. wage! That money is put away for them and when they are released, they leave with sometimes several thousands of dollars. Yes, there are jobs that inmates are not eligible to leave the yard due to their crimes and bad behavior, they work different crews on the yard for .35 to .50 an hour.. They need to work! Or they start getting themselves into trouble....  

• Good idea, I agree that we should stop punishing people for crimes.

• Nobody "accidentally" leaves their keys in the ignition.

• What do you call getting paid 15 cents to 25 cents per hour? 

• Hey genius, that isn't up to the director. That is the purview of the State Legislature. And you will be the first to scream when these crooks steal your stuff. Let me educate you civilians: Minimum security generally means they are well behaved in an institutional setting. If they were well behaved out side, they wouldn't be inside. Make sense? Many of these people simply cannot deal with being outside. Check the number of "Frequent Flyers", ie recidivists. There simply are no easy answers. We as Corrections professionals, live out of the tax payers pockets. When the tax revenues fall that impacts the Departments ability to do it's job. Less money to maintain physical plant ( Replacing broken or worn out item) recruiting and maintaining quality staff etc. So far I like the general direction Director Ryan is going. Obviously some things I don't like but I recognize the are many factors to deal with. By the way if anyone was wondering Lewis Complex is jinxed

• Well let me make one slight correction, minimum security prisoners are not GENERALLY considered to be a threat. However having worked this job for 16 years,( one might even call it a career)  I can assure you there are some dangerous characters in Minimum security. But if you want to "rehabilitate" these crooks, you have to take some chances. The outside work crews bring in money to off set the cost of incarceration, take your choice.

• Carl, by the way, I'm not assuming anything. ALMOST ALL Mexicans are OR were illegal aliens at some time. They never bothered to apply for an immigration visa in the past and don't today. Clear now?

• "Is this law racist"---YES "Does it specify brown people"---The law doesn't but the MCSO does. "Are the people who agree with this law racist---YES Are those who want this law enforced racist---Most certainly. Is DUMBOdan a supporter of codified  bigotry---ABSOLUTELY

• Bobby, the only thing I can think of which would give you a few moments of clarity is a lobotomy. But don't worry, a lobotomy removes a part of the brain you don't use anyway.

• Your idea has a lot of common sense which means, It doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being implemented here. The "leadership" in this state is too deep in the pockets of the private prison industry to allow something like this to happen.

• You're wrong herman, the "Real dangerous ones" are running the state.

• All the training in the world can't make up for being continually short staffed due to the short sighted leadership in this state.

• There are NO mandatory classes. You do 85% of your sentence and THEN get paroled. The majority of inmates are petty theft, non dangerous possesion charges, and paraphonelia charges. Don't blame ADOC, they are doing what the state law says. Prosecutors in Arizona and the Sherrifs department make it so unbearable you take a prison sentence to get out of County jail. The state has had 100's of proposals to lower the parole time from 85% like every other state has passed. The end result is a definitive no. Must be a Federal funding thing and the great State of Arizona would rather waste tax payers money than learn how to save money like most of the country has now done. It's unbelievable how the system works. Lucky for Lindsay Lohan she stole the necklace in CA. In Arizona she would have done 85% of a one year sentence for the same crime. At least they got Thomas out as the State attorney, what a crook.

• The women are there for a reason.. Either higher custody inmates that have made it to lower custody due to good behavior and non violent. Parole violators return and complete their time on minimum yards depending on the crime.. They have to complete their time somewhere.. At minimum, they can be responsible for themselves, not have sombody tell them what to do, and when to do it.. They are able to start making decisions for themselves... They need that before they are released, or they DO NOT know how to deal with society and the community and being responsible.. Alot of inmates are instatutionalized..Period.. They have to get out of a cell, and make decisions for themselves before being released to the community. It is so unfortunate what happens to these womens children, but I can assure you, the children are in much better hands with the state or family members than with a Mother that is nowhere to be found as the kids continue to wait for years for her to come home from a month long meth binge, or the constant disappearance of their mother..The kids can not live in that environment..And the parent has to be taken away from that environment and lose everything to learn the importance of their children and family.. When the drugs are there... That's all that matters... Its so sad. 

• Well said..

• PLEASE!! You do NOT know what you are talking about!!!

• First of all, Chuck Ryan does not have the power to send those women home on a braclet.  There are laws in place.  Secondly, many of those women would do more damage at home without getting any treatment than if they stay in prison and get a little help.  Yes, the prison system DOES offer many recovery and self-improvement programs for inmates, but the inmates have to want to change to get anything out of it.  You can lead a horse to water....

• Whose going to be left to pay for the mass industrial prison complex that America, "land of the free" has become?  

• 1 in 31 U.S. Adults are Behind Bars, on Parole or Probation   http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=49398

• 1 in 31 U.S. Adults are Behind Bars, on Parole or Probation http://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=49398

•  "Sunbelt Justice: Arizona and the Transformation of American Punishment" « Prison Law Blog http://prisonlaw.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/sunbelt-justice/ 1 in 31 U.S. Adults are Behind Bars, on Parole or Probationhttp://www.pewcenteronthestates.org/news_room_detail.aspx?id=49398

• It's time to address why Arizona is wasting millions of taxpayer $$'s on incarcerating low-risk inmates? Especially mothers with children. Children who need their mothers. It does not good to tear apart families and continue on the path of one failed policy after another, as generation after generation is held captive in Arizona so a handful can profit off human misery. A true war of self-destruction going on in Arizona and America.  

• The Fisher report paid for by the Arizona Prosecuting Attorneys Association, reclassified the inmates and said 95% are violent which we understand is a way to keep the prison full for $$'s. Until Arizona addresses its systemic corruption nothing will change. This incident is the tip of the iceberg of a state out of control which has increased the budget for the mass incarceration of Arizona's people, while slashing education, health care and strong community building to the bone. Slave labor is what they want.  The Governor went to China to find out how its done.

• Simple training in 101 plumbing would be a helpful skill so that the running faucet at Perryville could be fixed with a washer. Meanwhile, thousands of gallons or water have been wasted over many months of this neglect.

• Arizona "warehouses" these women or used them for slave labor, period.

• JB, Great solution to a serious problem that the all white males who write the laws refuse to discuss or try to understand. While their laws purport to "save the children" in fact we all know better. Women are a minority that are treated like they were in the days of slavery. Nothing has changed in Arizona. Intelligent legislators who truly care about women and their children would act on your suggestions. 

• SA, .... at great cost to the taxpayers! So who is really punished here? It's time for common sense to kick in.

• Carl, You make a good point. She might need to study history, period -- starting with --  "Sunbelt Justice: Arizona and the Transformation of American Punishment" « Prison Law Blog http://prisonlaw.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/sunbelt-justice/

• If these inmates are not dangerous then they do not belong in prison wasting taxpayer $$'s at $25-30,000 per year, when they could be monitored with GPS and put into training and rehabilitation programs at much less cost. Recently the ADC reclassified all inmates and decided that 95% of the inmates were "violent". So in all reality, where does this female inmate belong? If she's no harm to society out there taking a "job" that an ordinary citizen could do, Arizona would rather pay 15 cents to 25 cents per hour for slave labor.

• Carl, thanks for replying and clearing things up.

• By the sheer content and tone of your post you are assuming this escapee (border criminal you call her) is an illegal [alien criminal or immigrant]  of which I have no knowledge of either way. I don't judge a person's nationality by their surname any more than I judge those who write posts presented to draw a response whether rhetorical or not. I am for law and order. I did donate to the SB 1070 fund, I did donate to the Border Sheriff fund, I do support border control and a border fence. I don't support sancturary cities and don't suport discrimination of all people based on race, color, creed, nationality or ethniticity or in this case living in a border state.  I don't know what the heck it has to do anything with this article but thanks for asking me these irrelevant questions on this article and its contents. peace

• I will start agreeing with you Jbee39 if the Director of Doc and the state laws change to reflect your opinion but if this ever happens and these poor Minimun Inmates as you say are wasting our tax $$ and gets out on supervision via electronic monitoring and had a original charge of credit card theft and Methamphetamine use and she then steals your credit cards then dont be the first one to scream for justice. Inmates are afforded while incarcerated many life changing classes while inside of Doc. like life skills, substance abuse, parenting, ged, classes and the list goes on and on and costs the inmate nothing but time and devotion to change the behavior that put them there most of the time after probation has already failed. If you take the time to research Director Ryans Policies he has put in place policies that reflects keeping inmates busy proggramming as this helps overall in changing the way the inmates thought proccess works when they are released. all inmates are afforded these classes as a tool to better themsefs but few dont take what is learned and apply it in the real world. Director Ryan has done wonders in inproving the overall prison reform for the better of not only his staff but the public and inmate population. as for what has been put in place to help low level needs inmates get out into sicioty earlier then the 85 percent mandated law on the sentence that is being served you might want to do your homework and look up all the senate bills that have passed becuase oF Director Ryan. All low level inmates know what a senate bill release is  that will get them release ealier then what is mandated by the old laws prior TO Dirctor ryan. and yes the inmate are being released on senate bill Realeases in numbers daily and are mandated to attend classes while on supervision as part of this type of release and once again paid for by az doc.There is many current senate bills being looked at currently that will release additional inmates early but with all these bills and programs offered to the inmate population it is really up to the inmate to use these tools once in the prison system and after release. you need to do your homework on how low level inmates end up in prison verse being put on probation and after you are done you will come to relize that most of them was put on cummunitty supervision as a sanction from the courts and that was not enough to stop the actions that put them into a more controlled enviroment not to punish them but try to help them before it was to late, you can lead a horse to water but you can not make the horse drink that water as well as when a offender is put on supoervision they will say all the right things to the probation officer but as the old saying goes when the cat is away the mouse shall play. so with that if the cat never goes away then the mouse has to stop playing and attempt to make them selfs better or opt out and keep on with their crimminal ways.

• Are you saying your'e for law and order, and against border criminals, and therefore support Jan Brewer, Pearce, Sheriff Joe, and that's why you are correcting them on allowing this border criminal to escape? Because if not, why do you care? I''ll ask the same question to the rest of the folks here who aren't bothered by illegal immigration and all it does. WHY THE F DO YOU EVEN CARE? Your usual stance is that you don't give a damn about U.S. immigration law. By the way, understand my question is only rhetorical, since I know you don't really give a damn.

• Just another border criminal from Mexico, that people in the U.S. are burdened with. Mexico needs to be isolated from the U.S. and simply ignored. How far the early American leaders forsight was involving Mexico is amazing. They knew it would be nothing but trouble for this country, AND, it is. It's like the family relative that no one wants to be involved with. As king Solomon said," Don't associate with fools, every thing they do will give you a continual Pain in the ass. Of course he didn't use those words, but the message was the same. MEXICO IS A PAIN IN THE ASS.

• Is this law Racist? Does it specify brown people? Are the people who agree with this law racist? Are those who want this law enforced racist? The law says nothing of little "brown" people but it explains what is illegal entry. It's not very hard to understand. Why is this law "broken"? Why can it be selectively ignored? Illegal alien includes all people who entered illegally, could be Croation, Russian, Chinese, Irish, Canadians and yes even Mexicans. No one single race or people is referenced in the law. Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense. Gordon could never understand this and has cost Pheonix and surrounding cities hundreds of millions to support the education, health and welfare of these illegal immigrants.

• lol, doesnt take much to make the cops look pretty stupid there now does it. web-privacy.es.tc

• Your post has not one goddamned thing to do with the article, or the thread. You have posted the same moronic rant on any number of PNT pages, obviously without reading the articles. I am beginning to doubt that you CAN read. Why don't you just fuck off and go back to huffing solvents.

• When did these mandatory classes and programs start? I know for a fact they were not there 5 years ago. Most of the people on minimum security yards should not be in prison. Its all about money. By the way this girl is an idiot now she will get to know what real prison is like..

• Is this law Racist? Does it specify brown people? Are the people who agree with this law racist? Are those who want this law enforced racist? The law says nothing of little "brown" people but it explains what is illegal entry. It's not very hard to understand. Why is this law "broken"? Why can it be selectively ignored? Illegal alien includes all people who entered illegally, could be Croation, Russian, Chinese, Irish, Canadians and yes even Mexicans. No one single race or people is referenced in the law. Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

• JUST GUESSING BUT I THINK THE INTERVIEW WITH THE PIO WILL GO SOMETHING LIKE THIS: When asked about the most recent escape from the Phoenix car auction lot, this template response will be used to address this matter of public safety. At this moment a complete internal review is ongoing of those circumstances that permitted a minimum custody inmate to steal a car and flee from the auction lot. It appears that some personnel were not performing their supervisory duties as trained. There are urgent plans to fix and correct these errors immediately. The warden said the internal investigation includes a complete review of the classification for outside work details and security measures at this location. The information gathered has still has not explained exactly how she escaped from the car lot and whether or not she escaped without help.

• FYI...  AZ Prisons have several Senate Bill Programs that give the inmates the chance to Parole out early, giving them the oportunity to fix their lives, build broken relationships with their families and move forward in their lives.  WELL GUESS WHAT??THEY ARE RELEASED EARLY, AND THEY COME BACK ANYWAY!!! And yes, they have several mandatory classes and programs that they have to take before being released. These classes are educational and help them return to society and the community. They are given several referances of where to go if they need help when they return to the community.. I am being truly honest.. So, you are correct.. A vicious circle it is.. Convicts that don't want to change..

• Impressive!!! "these inmates are not dangerous" - good to know

• With inmates working outside the prison gate, there is always going to be that risk.  You cannot prevent it dude.  Rest assured, these inmates are not dangerous, otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to work outside the gate.  There is no one to blame but the inmate themselves.  The real dangerous ones are secure inside State Prisons and because of the professional staff that work them, they will NEVER escape.  We are good at what we do!!

• @Herestolife - you are right - I don 't know squat about "really goes on inside a prison" and how she got on a work crew. I'm just a crazy old fool that sits here and arm chairs our public servants for doing such a great job keeping our prisoners in and our prisons running..What do I know.. Thanksk for putting me in my place.. As for "how is this really Chuck Ryan's fault?" I guess I really don't know that answer either. I never met the man..Maybe I should google the man before I write something like this in a newspaper making a fool of myself to the entire state and those reading this article. I appreciate the advice. Peace

• This state wastes millions on minimum security inmates. There are over 800 women that are minimum security and are trusted to work offsite from the prisons, so why not have them on home arrest so families are not broken up and these folks can all work and be part of mending our economy. That woman who stole the car.. stupid choice. But who are any of us to judge her? 1 in 33 people in america are in prisons, jails, or under doc supervision. Look up the Pew reports online. Prison is no cakewalk. You might have done what she did. She will now have another case. Ten years? No way. But 3 to 5 more..probably. we should all be sad about that. WE PAY FOR IT! Minimum security is a waste. Tell chuck ryan to save the state millions and save our state budget by sending those women home on a bracelet. They can then truly pay their debts back and their children won't suffer the risk of following in mom's footsteps. Get these people true rehabilitation. They get NONE in rpison, folks. Its a vicious circle.

• Do you really think that booting out Chuck Ryan and changing  a couple of the "guards" would actually prevent anyone from escape....highly unlikely, and do either of you really knows what goes on inside a prison and how she was on a work crew?! I am just saying is all its easy for anyone of us to sit back and subjectively share are biased opinions when most haven't a clue to what they are even talking about.....the deeper issue is not the escape it is the people who sit around complaining about this world and whats wrong with always pointing fingers, instead of making a change or knowing what really is going on. The media makes it safe to assume we know the full story...not true....but really I want to know how is this really Chuck Ryan's fault!?

• 1.5 years could have been a cakewalk and she would have been out in no time. Now her stupidity kicks in, you can another 10 years into her foray.

• Amazing how we and many others are thinking alike.. do you think the governor hears us or cares what we think? appearantly not but I support your idea of a change of the guards at the top. This story goes to show that if they are willing to take the risk, they can leave anytime they want for nobody is watching the door, the keys, the tools and the prisoner.

• add this story to the history of the ADOC and we have a best seller for the governor to read..

• Why am I not surprised? Director Charles Ryan needs to be booted from his position if he can't secure his prisons and/or train his corrections officers to keep inmates inside the prisons...

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