Tea Party "Birther" Explains the Constitution -- And Why Joe Arpaio Must Come to the Rescue

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Tea Partier Jim Wise
"Birthers," for some reason (probably because they know the "birther" movement is little more than a baseless conspiracy theory) will never admit to being "birthers."

Take local Tea Party coordinator Jim Wise, for example, whom we caught up with following our post this morning. We asked this guy four times whether he thought President Barack Obama was born in the United States.

"It doesn't matter what I think," Wise tells New Times over, and over (and over) again.

Well, yeah it does -- considering Wise and the rest of his Arizona Tea Party compadres now claim that the birth certificate Obama released earlier this year is a fake. And they've now enlisted Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio to help investigate.

"We're doing it because there's a question as to whether that document has been altered or not," Wise says.

Again, Wise refuses to admit that he thinks Obama isn't a United States citizen. The most Wise will admit to is that he thinks Obama's natural-born citizenship is questionable because "at least 20 experts" claim the birth certificate has been altered.

"The two issues that you have heard from most folks, and it gets turned around, is the validity of [Obama's birth certificate] and whether he is a natural-born citizen, meaning both of his parents were United States citizens at the time he was born."

He concedes he's "not a Constitutional expert," but says he interprets natural-born citizen to mean that both of a person's parents have to be citizens of the United States at the time of their birth in order for them to be natural-born citizens qualified to be president.

While the U.S. Constitution does use the phrase "natural-born citizen," it gives no definition of what that term means. Most scholars and politicians, however, agree that a person born on U.S. soil is a "natural-born" citizen. Wise disagrees -- and he thinks the truth lies in Obama's "fake" birth certificate.

"If the document has been altered, there has been an altered official government document presented to the people in Maricopa County. And that's against the law," he says. "Our folks said 'hey, who do you trust? We trust Sheriff Arpaio. Let's ask him to look at this.'"

Wise and WorldNetDaily whackjob Jerome Corsi -- as well as several other Tea Partiers -- met with the sheriff yesterday morning and asked for his help

"He listened and he had some of his people in the room, they all gave their opinion. We were there about an hour," he says. "It ended with [Arpaio saying] 'bring me the documentation back with a letter asking me to do it and i'll look into it.'

"He saw the binder [of "evidence"]. He didn't go through it. But he saw the size of it, and volume of it. That's the evidence."

Well in that case...

When asked if he thought the resources of the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office should be used to investigate what is widely believed to be a crackpot conspiracy theory, Wise says "doesn't he investigate people who falsify identites? What's the difference -- whether it's a guy working down the street or the guy running the country?"
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DianaPawelski
DianaPawelski

BO is ILLEGAL and I believe in Sheriff Joe Arpaio. BO needs to be IMPEACHED. He should not be allowed to finish the presidency and collect the retirement package they give to former presidents of the USA. 

prsmith
prsmith

We're in the midst of a constitutional crisis yet people resort to name calling - pathetic.  I have no clue whether or not Barry was born on U.S. soil; it hardly matters.  Presuming that his father was, indeed, Barack H. Obama, Sr., he is not a 'natural born citizen' as defined by both the SCOTUS and by Barry himself (when he was a senator).  If daddy was a U.S. citizen then his entire presidency is predicated on lies and forgeries and coverups and conspiracies.  Minor v. Happersett established stare decisis law and nobody is enforcing it.  So what else is new for this lying, Constitution bending, lawbreaking administration?

Source: http://naturalborncitizen.word...

OrangeCountyCalifornia
OrangeCountyCalifornia

Tea-baggers and birthers are one in the same and they are both unpatriotic and un-American traitors.  They hate America and support terrorism against innocent people in this country just like that Norwegian white supremacist who killed a hundred of his fellow Norwegians.  Such people are favorites of Fox News.  The tea-baggers of today are no different from the German Nazis of the 1930s.

Bobby
Bobby

Your'e either an illegal alien, Mexican Nationalist, or leftist democrat traitor, especially if you are from Orange County California. I grew up near that place and before in was inundated with illegal alien crime, it was a paradise to grow up in as a kid. The Tea Party people want an end to illegal immigration, foreign wars, a government that has money for CITIZENS, etc But you find something akin to Nazism in this. Next thing you'll suggest is that Mickey Mouse, is too American.

Coz
Coz

LOL, then your people are nuttier than a fruitcake.

>>"Our folks said 'hey, who do you trust? We trust Sheriff Arpaio.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

Coz, I think what they are saying is that they trust Joe to make an issue out of a non issue.  I suspect Arpaio will consider doing something because there is some media attached to it.  For society, it will be a negative, because even seeing if he has jurisdiction will cost us with no benefit coming back. 

Query:  "Hey fellow birthers!  Who is a stupid policitian in law enforcement that will do the job that no other law enforcement will do?"   Response:  "Arpaio!"

Coz
Coz

Anybody that trusts or believes anything coming out of Bozo Joe's face is stupid, a fool and or both.

Harry Wisencraker Jr.
Harry Wisencraker Jr.

More fuel for the Sheriff of What-a-Ham to burn Maricopa County taxpayer dollars.  Boy but when he DOES hit the wall they'll be washing the splattered shit off for months!

teknik1200
teknik1200

This whole fiasco just shows how easy it is to manipulate people into believing a lie.

Walter Concrete
Walter Concrete

After viewing the aftermath of this mutual masturbation meeting, it looks as if New Times shit in a big fan and then the commenters threw the shit at each other with their mouths wide open.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

The irony of this situation, Walter, is twofold:

(1) That Mr. Wise or anyone else would be so enamored with a county sheriff that they would think that any county sheriff has the authority to conduct an investigation about the birth certificate of the President of the United States.

(2) That ANY county sheriff would even consider that his agency might have the authority to conduct such an indication.

Your note indicates dissatisfaction with Phoenix New Times, yet Arizona Republic/Az Central, reported the very same story.

Personally I would prefer that all media agencies discontinue giving the Old Bastard any press coverage.

Bobby
Bobby

Tommy, why do you imagine that the press gives Arpaio as much coverage as it does? Listen, even the press in this nation, has openly admitted that they are sympathetic to leftist philosophy and all that implies. Tom Brokaw said as much as did others. So if we are to believe them, they aren't giving Arapio coverage because they LIKE him or what he's doing. NO!! They HATE him and what he's doing, and have been hoping, in vain, that he would stop what he's doing by constantly smearing him in the eyes of the American public.

How do we know this? Because all the leftist organizations always come to the aid of illegal aliens, and actually hate American citizens that aren't leftists as well as Arpaio. But you see, the problem they have is this; their attempts to smear Arpaio in the eyes of the general public, HAVE UTTERLY FAILED AND THEY KNOW IT. But being the stubborn traitors that they are, and more interested in foreign nationls here illegally, than the average American citizen, they'll never stop trying. 

Sanjaya
Sanjaya

If Obama would present his birth certificate to Congress as required or post one that wasn't a fraud, the birther movement would die. Instead he spent millions trying to avoid showing one.By now, it's pretty well accepted that he is a usurper. Obama has stolen identities and Social Security numbers. That was presented by UN Ambassador Allen Keyes.

teknik1200
teknik1200

Next Sanjaya will go on to say that he/she's not a birther.

Enemy of Evil Bastards
Enemy of Evil Bastards

Excuse me, but were you abducted by aliens, little green men who told you Obama was not a US citizen?  Well, sucker, they lied to you!  Get over it, because Barak Hussein Obama is the legitimate President of these United States.  He was elected by the people of the United States. 

Perhaps you have issues with Americans voting for President Obama, but they're your issues, idiotic issues, self-serving issues, crazy issues, insane issues, and above all, they are racist issues.

Why don't you go tell your little green friends to stick it up their little green asses and to stop making you look like a fool?

Ted
Ted

These loony idiots really belong in the rubber room at the state hospital. And if that fat bastard Nickle Joe takes this on he should be recalled as soon as possible for wasting scarce government funds. The worthless jerk has already cost the county over 150 million dollars if you add in the missing 100 millions and already paid wrongful death and arrest claims. And there are probably at least another 100 million in claims pending. So actually a good case can be made for his immediate removal from the office.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

What seems to be missing with all the EXPERT opinions:

1.  Features that support the authenticity of the document in addition to features that support the non-authenticity of the document.  Letter spacing, shorting the shift key stroke, roller position,

2.  A clean and clear description of how the document would have been developed and printed by the State of Hawaii under normal circumstances and what purportedly happened here.  What is the source for printing this document:  A page in a book?  If so, what color is the paper?  White?  Ivory?  Aged white?  Microfilm? If so, was it black on white or white on black?   Does the original paper copy even exist?   Why is it printed on the green safety paper?  Is that required "tamper proofing" by state statute?  What is the date of the statute if so?

3.  A clean and clear description of how the document was scanned or imaged or how could it have been scanned under differeing scenarios and what each scenario may have caused and how that could have affected the features supporting or not supporting authenticity.

4.  I am sure there are a lot more questions that answers to questions would lead one to ask.

A complete examination of the authenticity should include identification and explanation of what makes the document appear legitimate as well as what makes it appear illegitimate.  Bottom line for me is the certification of the State of Hawaii that this is an actual document.

Perhaps Obama could waive his right to privacy and I could ask that Hawaii send me my own certified copy for examination.  It would not give me any more information about him than I already know from the posted birth certificate.

I find this whole birther issue a big waste of time and cycles, but I list the above as what I would need to see if the EXPERTS have any credibility in my mind.

 

Clarity
Clarity

Tea Party Numbskull Jim Wise needs to put his other foot into his 6 foot plot and proceed to feed the worms. Republicans continue to vehemently prove what idiots they are. In fact I would go as far as to say that Republican Politicians are Traitors according to their Treasonist acts.

Donhart7
Donhart7

This is just about the worst poem I've ever read:  poor rhyming, rythym is even worse, content is incorrect, too many beats be line, wrong pace, tries to be "cutsie."  Better stick with your day job.

Newtimesisajoke
Newtimesisajoke

If 20 experts say the document could have been altered then it only makes sense that we need to look into it more. Of course this liberal piece of sit publication called "The New Times" and writers like this joker James King are clueless as to what is really going on in this country. Why did it take almost 3 years for the president to produce his birth certificate? Why did he try to push a "Certificate of Birth" on the American people and not a real birth certificate. A "Certificate of Birth" is not the same as a "Birth Certificate" Did you just agree to do an interview with Jim Wise to make fun of him and try to make him look like he is crazy? I have no idea who Jim Wise is but he is not the only person in America that is questioning the legitimacy of Obama's true birth place. Seems to me since the president did not provide his birth certificate to the American people when asked to and then shows us a bogus Certificate of Birth and then 3 years later decides to show us a copy of his alleged birth certificate well that just raises red flags to me. The bottom line is the President woks for the American people and is elected to serve the American people and when the American people demand to see a Birth certificate he better get off his ass and provide us with one asap....not 3 years later! Again if 20 experts are saying the presidents documents may be forged or altered then we should investigate a little further. It is not that far fetched to think that a forgery could be in place of the real document especially when hundreds of people in Kenya say this guy was born there including his own grandmother and other relatives. Notice how the main stream media does not pursue or interview any relatives of Obama on this birth certificate issue...HMMM, I wonder why? There are plenty of videos on You Tube showing the people of Kenya saying Obama was born and raised there. So for this joke of a publication (The New Times) to try and make an honest American that just has his country's best interest at heart look like a fool then I say to James King you don't belong in this country and you DO NOT deserve the freedom we have here in America. We all know Obama is an IMPOSTOR and even if he is a legitimate citizen of the United States he sucks as a president and is not even qualified to run a lemonade stand never mind the greatest country in the world. And don't try to play this off like I or Jim Wise are haters of black people because (well for me ) that is just not the truth. As a matter of fact I know a lot of black people that are NOT happy with this president and want him out. Check out Pastor James Manning (A black man) on You Tube and you will see what other black people think of Obama (who is half white by the way). Fuck you James King you are a liberal piece of shit and are part of a huge problem here in America as Liberalism is a severe Mental Disorder and this is one area I would not be opposed of the government stepping in and finally labeling Liberalism as a mental disorder officially so we can finally get these libtards on the medication they desperately need.

Ted
Ted

You sir are the joke! Too damn stupid to ever make sense, you are not forced to read this newspaper are you. So just shove your head back up your ass and crabwalk back to your burrow.

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

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Mistalee
Mistalee

  "We all know Obama is an IMPOSTOR"

Right.o. Get ready for the next birther conspiracy theory, which is that Obama is not Obama but rather someone of the same name.

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

A "Certificate of Birth" is not the same as a "Birth Certificate"

Other than the name being different, why not?

teknik1200
teknik1200

the very fact that people can proclaim that statement shows how fucking stupid they are.

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Quite a diatribe you had. Do you have a real name so we know who the owner is of such hysteria?

shadeaux14
shadeaux14

It's probably Ron Brewer, Jan's sociopathic rapist son.

Bnbk
Bnbk

What the f-ck are you on ? FOOL !

Enemy of Evil Bastards
Enemy of Evil Bastards

You really need to pop the cork from your ass, grow a brain and start being an honest, hardworking American taxpayer.  You're scum now, so perhaps with my suggestions above, you won't be so bitter because Obama is black and President of the United States.

When's the last time you had a thought that at least boadered on sanity?  You crazy, teabagging birther!

prsmith
prsmith

There is absolutely no question that Barry is a usurper and he knows it.  While those who wrote the Constitution failed to define natural born citizen, they were aware of the problem that might accrue if foreign influence were allowed to undermine such a powerful position as our POTUS so they deliberately changed the wording from citizen to 'natural born citizen'.  That alone provides adequate proof that there is a difference in the two terms however the SCOTUS has clarified the term for us in Minor v. Happersett when they declared that a 'natural born citizen' was a person born on the soil or parents who were citizens (plural).  For more detail on this, see: 

THE EXPRESS LANE TO NATURAL BORN CLARITY.//naturalborncitizen(DOT)wordpress.com/2011/06/30/the-e...

Wayland
Wayland

Ron Paul 2012

WhoKnows
WhoKnows

Legal pot and hookers!  That's Ron Paul!

The scary thing is that Rich Perry makes him look like a moderate!

ZachHenry
ZachHenry

What's wrong with legal pot and hookers?

Bobby
Bobby

Best question you've ever asked.

Mistalee
Mistalee

The only thing wrong with it is that under Ron Paul's version of fundamentalist capitalism only the upper classes would be able to afford the pot and the hookers. 

Scott Adams
Scott Adams

Numerous Computer Experts Discuss Obama's Forged Birth Certificate - 7/31/2011   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Mikey1969
Mikey1969

State in your own words, without pointing to your "experts" what you think is wrong with the document. Is it the "layers"? There aren't "layers", there is one layer with multiple pieces, exactly what happens when images are run through Adobe products. Adobe tries to make their products as functional as possible, even taking flattened images and attempting to make them editable if possible.

I have seen clients (Who don't know how to follow simple instructions) embed their images in an Illustrator, InDesign or Acrobat file, and when we tried to extract them to color correct the separate images, Adobe had broken them into pieces. Happens all the time.

Hell, you want evidence that this happened? Look at the white letters underneath the black. If it was faked, the green background would be solid there. The reason that there is a white "shadow" is because the software separated the text when it was scanned in, and had no idea what to place there, so it is blank. To Adobe products, 'blank' means 'white'.

As to the claim that "No OCR or scanning program makes layers", it is total misdirection, there are NOT multiple layers, as I mentioned, there is a single layer with multiple elements on it, and that is exactly ho Illustrator would handle a PDF that had been generated from a scan that attempted OCR processing. There would be a single layer and all of the sub-parts of that layer would be separate elements, each letter would be separate, unless the OCR process put two or three together (The stuff STILL isn't ready for prime time, and I've been playing with it for 10 years), also, it would try and interpret different artifacts on the image as possible letters, scratches by a pen, smears of ink, whatever. It might not know what letter they were supposed to be, but they would be separated.

If this was faked in illustrator, there wouldn't be pixelization, unless they faked it, and then rescanned it, and that would make the supposed "evidence" go out the window anyway. The text would be perfect, or even if they tried really hard, it would be less chaotic than it currently is. This is perfectly consistent with stuff that crossed my desk for 5 working years and 3 years of school, along with my own freelance work since about 2000.

Pluto Dog
Pluto Dog

Experts.  Yah, right.  The LFBC copies at the WH were brought directly from DHS in Hawaii.  DHS Hawaii has written that the copies are true/accurate, and that makes them the real deal guaranteed under the Full Faith and Credit clause of the real deal U.S. Constitution.  Meanwhile the birferz shriek and moan about imaged copies of these documents being 'shopped.  They gots "experts" and stuff.  Plenty of them.

Sadly, they're rather short on brains.  But on the bright side, they're barrels of fun to mock and snark.  It's the patriotic thing to do, too!

Sams
Sams

Top anti-'birther' confirmed to be ex-Fannie Mae chief - If there is nothing to the eligibility issue why are they fighting so hard to keep it quiet? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot....NEW YORK – A top Democrat, apparently operating with the full approval and cooperation of the president, has been directing a team of up to 100 who are paid to publish disinformation on a wide variety of websites to discredit "birthers," according to anti-Obama researchers. The radical supporters of the president, known as Obama robots, or "OBOTs" for short, have confirmed their White House-appointed ring leader is Democratic Party operative James A. Johnson, the former chairman of Fannie Mae# # # # # # # # # Top anti-'birther' confirmed to be ex-Fannie Mae chief'There isn't much point to denial,' source says of White House-linked James A. Johnson  WOW! 10,000 hits in two days! My little blog doesn't usually get that much attention. 51 Bullet-Pointed Facts That Dispute Barack Obama's Identity & Eligibility to be President! http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.​com/2011/07/51-bullet-pointed-​facts-that-dispute.html

Pressguy
Pressguy

They should pay for whatever shadows they want to chase.  Write out a check to the taxpayers of Maricopa County if you want to use us as your Private Dick.

Mistalee
Mistalee

Translated from birtherspeak, this means "keep your mind open to the self-evident truth that Obama is Black and it can't possibly be legal for him to be president."

Sams
Sams

The most liberal Senator in America gets elected in the most crooked election in the nation’s history and the lamebrains who support him think he is opposed because of his race. These same halfwits think a phony document posted on the Internet proves this same con man is eligible to hold the highest office in the land. Scanned documents aren't evidence of anything even if they are legitimate. The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. These online arguments discussing images (especially photographic images) are like people studying animals by examining imitation scat.   http://www.hermancain.com/ He is opposed because he is a crooked big city con man with a socialist agenda. Alan Keyes is strongly opposed to Obama. Is he a racist? Is Michael Steele a racist?  Is this guy a racist? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot....  Are these women racists? http://thesteadydrip.blogspot....And: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot....

Ted
Ted

Poor fellow, you are obviously out of your mind. You are a steady drip of nasal discharge!

Pluto Dog
Pluto Dog

Ahh, but without any proof whatsoever that any of the above is true, the lame brains that buy into birferizm want the first black prez evah to produce documentation no other prez ever has.  They want the Prez to prove he hasn't committed a crime here in America.  Birferz got NO real proof, no actual experts, nothing but a disgusting, extreme, blinding hate against the duly elected POTUS.  Crooked election, my arse!

Actually, the only thing that Obama is guilty is Presidenting While Black and Democratic. Nope not every birfer is a bigot but that's small consolation, given that every birfer is seriously lacking in brain matter and/or entirely nutz.  Take Keyes who is still pizzed because Obama beat him in his carpetbagging campaign against Obama for Senate.

Michael Steele doesn't believe Obama's not a NBC.  Nice try, though.

Ted
Ted

You should wear your tinfoil hat all the time brightbulb, that way those beams coming from your tv might not do so much damage to what few little grey cells remain in your old noggin. Your ridiculous threats are laughable. As are your claims!

Gerry_C
Gerry_C

What is the difference between  Certificate of Birth, Certificate of Live Birth, Birth Certificate and Title of Birth?

newtimesisajoke
newtimesisajoke

The president is elected by the American people and "serves" us...not himself. If the American people demand to see his birth certificate then he damn well better get off his ass and provide one asap..... not 3 years later. A "Title of Birth" is not the same as a 'Birth Certificate" you fool

Tommy Collins
Tommy Collins

Well, Lee, they are half right, I suppose. Obama is half black so I guess we can assume their rush to judge is not fast, rather half assed.

But, the teaers and the RP in Arizona aren't known for getting their facts correctly.

Mistalee
Mistalee

Yeeehaw, cue up the banjos, boys, we're havin' us a Tea Party hootnanny! Gonna prove Obama's a Kenyan and get that nigra out of the White House once and for all, replace him with a White man like the Bible says we should!

When the party gets rollin' I hear Linda Bentley's gonna jump out of a cake wearing nuthin but her tinfoil hat. I hear it's gonna be a fruitcake, too!

matt gordon
matt gordon

Passive-aggressive racism. They are quick to feign surprise when called out on it, saying they only want 'the truth.' The truth is the birthers are just another of the Koch-sponsored front groups put forth for the single purpose of disrupting the Obama presidency.

Patriot_70
Patriot_70

Hi MoveOn, how are you?  I see you're still trying to get people to buy into the kotch conspiracy.  But know what?  Most people don't know who these guys are, and even fewer care.  But I guess when you get your paycheck at the end of the day from your bosses at MoveOn dot Org it really doesn't matter who you attacked or what stories you created.  Ever hear of the Ministry of Truth?

Bnbk
Bnbk

Oh,but we do know who the Koch brothers are, just ask all the people in Wisconsin,Ohio ect, We know who all you extreme right-wingers are & believe me OUR numbers are growing.

Pluto Dog
Pluto Dog

MoveOn don't pay near as well as thefogbow.com does.  We gots a direct line to George Soros and the man is generous to a fault.  I won't even tell you how much I got just for a few posts here.  It would hurt your poor tea-tard birfer haid.

Mistalee
Mistalee

"Most people don't know who these guys are, and even fewer care."

And there is the first refuge of the birther. "Lots of folks think like us."  Which is to say, they are intractably infatuated with their own ignorance."

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