Morning Poll: Could Rebecca Zahau's Death Been Suicide?

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Rebecca Zahau: murdered or suicide?
The family of Rebecca Zahau, the girlfriend of Scottsdale-based Medicis CEO Jonah Shacknai -- who was found bound, naked, and hanging by her neck at Shacknai's Coronado, California, mansion last week -- yesterday rejected the theory that she committed suicide.

The San Diego Sheriff's Department isn't saying much about the death, but has said detectives aren't ruling out the possibility that Zahau killed herself.

"Obviously the investigation is not complete yet, but as far as what I know about my sister, my sister did not commit a suicide," Mary Zahau-Loehner, Zahau's sister, says in a statement to the media.

"My sister was not depressed, my sister was not frantic, my sister was planning to call my parents the next day."

Zahau was found naked and hanging by her neck from a balcony at Shacknai's home. Her hands and feet were bound behind her.

We're not homicide detectives, but that seems like an odd way to take your own life.

Former San Diego homicide detective/suicide expert Rick Carlson seems to agree, telling Radar Online that "the whole thing is very suspicious - it just does not seem right to me."


Carlson via-Radar Online:

"I investigated hundreds of suicides in my career but never anything like this one - it would be very unusual for a woman to take her life in such a spectacular way naked.

"Usually when people commit suicide they go to a very quiet place because they are so sad - the detectives examining the case will be looking at the type of knot that was used to bind her.

"She was a physically fit person, so, it would have been possible for her to perform this act but I never came across any similar case in my 35 years career."

We want to know what you think: could Zahau's death have been a suicide, or is it murder.

Cast your vote below.




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Noelle
Noelle

I just saw the Dr. Phil special coverage on this and it's amazing to me that a police dept in a major city could be soooo dumb. The reason she didn't have a broken neck, didn't have pooling of blood in her back and the bed only moved 5 inches is because she never was hanging. The brother staged the whole thing. The mother of the kid killed her in a fit of rage...and then got the brother-in-law to help her stage the scene. Of course he is going to say "he cut her down" but in reality he placed her where the dumb cops found her!! The 911 recording is really telling of what kind of people these are. The brother of Jonah says "i just found a "girl" hanging...Not "Rebecca" or even "my brother's girlfriend",  And did anybody else notice think it was weird that when the same 911 operator asked him if she was still alive, he proceeds to yell at the body of Rebecca, "hey are you alive" and then tells the operator no she's not alive. What kind of an idiot does that? This guys needs to be given a lie-detector test and questioned further by the authorites, but please not the Coronado cops. At this point I don't think they could investigate themselves out of a paper bag.

PriscillaAz
PriscillaAz

Whyis the SDSO stalling Rebecca’s family by refusing to pass on all the documentsfrom a “closed” case, so they can begin their investgation. Why would SDSO send15 detectives to investigate a suicide?

 

Allthe public wants to know are answers to an abundance of SDSO discrepancies inan investigation that was blatantly slanted towards suicide from the beginning.Who failed were those responsible for the investigation, resulting in growingspeculation fueled by way too many unanswered questions. The truth can only beestablished through a new, independent investigation with impartial forensicexperts and

lawenforcement agencies.

 

The Zahaufamily, represented by Seattle attorney Anne Bremner, completely dismisses SDSO findings, and has petitioned Kamala Harris, the California Attorney General, to reopen the case, and appoint an independentinvestigator.

PLEASE SIGNBOTH THESE PETITIONS and help Rebecca’s family find out the truth.

 

http://www.change.org/petition...

 

http://www.change.org/petition...

 

pure burmese
pure burmese

christian burmes women rebecca zahau play with the fire , she need to pay back.That is a khama. she want party . married that time live in sugar daddy. She like to play she like to pay back. She don't want burmes culture she want american culture. Live in girlfriend for two years.That is not burmes culture. she is refugee from burma from chin state. First time christian burmese women killed by white man in us.She want to be short cut to be rich. Nothing get free in us, she play she pay and deserved to be die. where is the burmese culture in us right now.How to prevent from future burmese women mingle with white guy not to be dishonour way to die like rebecca zahau.We need burmese community and burmese culture class to prevent those case.

Iamat55
Iamat55

I want to know how the case got sealed.  Did someone request for it to be sealed?  Jonah Shacknai is a former lawyer.  Did he file a request for it to be sealed? The police were originally talking to the media, then there was a sudden silence. Is it normal for the police to seal a case on their own accord?

John Langle
John Langle

they're pretty done! you can run but you can not hide anymore before you die.

tackyzacky
tackyzacky

No matter how the authorities spin it, this case reeks of a revenge killing by execution mode.

Although the child's physical death may have been announced Monday - a week after the fall, the child had been in a coma and in life-support (brain dead) as early as Tuesday - a day after the fall. The murdered would have already known the child would eventually die.

The murderer's mantra must have been: death and degradation for a child's death.

This lady had finalized her divorce and quit her job to dedicate her life to taking care of the children.

But tragedy stuck with the fatal fall of the most vulnerable child under her care.

In the eyes of the murderer,  she had caused the death of the very child for whom she had been selected to protect.

With his horrible failure, she had to pay - with her life.

Hlbmarinos
Hlbmarinos

It almost seems as if someone was trying to retaliate for Max's fall. Maybe the ex-wife. And then to leave her hanging there in the open backyard it was if someone was trying to embarrass her or take away her dignity. Very Sad.

Zona
Zona

I wonder if she was shot in the head, then hanged with her hands tied behind her back, would you morons still say it was a suicide....

People really are dumb.  Oh yeah, she killed herself.  Here is how this works, if you are rich, you can do anything.  Children, learn from this.....

Sad
Sad

Dina seems to be the psycho that could possibly have killed rebecca. There's motive, unhinged behavioural tendencies, and the manner in which rebecca was killed was a statement - humiliate and degrade the young girlfriend, punish the estranged husband and seek revenge for the wrongful death of your child.But the fact that Jonah has not issued a single comment following the death and discovery of Rebecca strikes me as VERY odd. And the loud party/music the night following Max's fall, and prior to Rebecca's death...?

Marv
Marv

Dina had the motive and the anger to commit murder.  What a tragedy for all those involved.

Janny Dare
Janny Dare

Where is the girl who called 911? Was it Shacknai's 14 year old  daughter? Why was she rushed back to South Carolina even before the emergency crews responded to her brothers fall?

Filmbuff
Filmbuff

I am going to go out on a limb and suggest it was the butler that did it. The butler actually does it often in films and fictional stories written between 1822-1957 so this would not be unheard of. And, there is your motiive. He is the butler and they do that stuff according to legend. So, the police should check that out. I'm not saying Im just saying....

pi
pi

What if Max walked in on Rebecca and Adam and they were chasing him to beg him not to say anything when he fell? Then Rebecca feels guilty and wants to tell Jonah but Adam says no, so he has to get rid of the two people that would cause him to get kicked out on the street? With both Max and Rebecca gone Adam gets to still live the life of lux and the 2  that know he was hitting on his brothers woman can"t talk......just a theory

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

My money is on Dina.  She had motive - her husband was with her, "leaving" Dina as she so feared according to police reports, plus Rebecca referred to Max as "my son", so in essence, perhaps to Dina, Rebecca stole her husband then was close to her son, and in Dina's eyes, perhaps caused his death - had access to the house (was Rebecca going to throw her out?  I don't think so, her daughter was there) and was in close proximity.  The cops are getting the hospital surveillance tapes from that day to put the timeline together.  Paul Phingst (sp?), a prolific attorney, showed up at the crime site 2 hours after Rebecca was discovered by Adam, then again on the 18th, at which time he told reporters that he was there to represent someone "involved" in the case, but that it was not Jonah and that he'd never spoken to him.  If it were Adam he was representing, then surely Jonah would have spoken to him since it seems to be a tight-knit family and Adam came in to help Jonah after Max's accident.  Since Dina is confirmed by newspaper reports as being the other "witness" to Rebecca's death, then who else would he be representing?  My money is on Dina.

Meagan1
Meagan1

Where are the results from the lie detector tests? Why haven't people interviewed the hospital staff to see the whereabouts of the parents the night of Rebecca's murder..sorry, not buying the suicide theory!!! COP OUT- Has anyone even asked Rebecca's family how their relationship was? Did Max not fall, and did Rebecca perhaps tell her family? So sick of all of the secrets- if this happened to anyone else, without elite status- case would have been solved and closed...

Lewistone
Lewistone

it is order to kill from UT!

Bee
Bee

Considering Asian woman of 32 years old, she would not be naked and display her dead body like that if she commit a suicide.  Hearing them saying that committing suicide with tied feet or hands is NOT unusual as their first comment for this tragedy is very annoying.  They seems care more the rich Coronado residents and show very little respect toward the victim.  I have read that the Coronado PD don't have the homicide investigation unit so San Diego is working with them.     

Angel
Angel

They "claim" he went to flew back to Arizona....I was in front of his house when it sure appeared to be him that came outside to get his mail yesterday 7/21.

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Dsfeeese

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Angel
Angel

I believe for SURE that she was murdered....my first guess was that it was the mother of Max that murdered her in a fit of RAGE....I have a good deal of friends in Coronado...and not ONE person thinks it was suicide....I do not think that the Coronado Police Department is even remotely capable of handling a murder investigation...also I have also heard the investigators would do well by speaking with Coronado paramedics.....that is if any of them are willing to speak the truth at this point....

Keepitrealinphoenix
Keepitrealinphoenix

Rebecca moved from Burma to Austria ...she met a white ChristianAmerican man that she married...moved to America...stayed with him long enough to get her papers...started going out in Scottsdale to meet a rich white guy...she had to dress to impress that's why she was caught shoplifting at the mall...she found Jonah...tried being a sweet loving "love you long time" girlfriend...little Max gets hurt..Jonah's at the hospital with his son and she is worried that he is going to get back together with Dina...Rebecca knew her time with Jonah was over..I'm sure he told her to leave him alone while he was in the hospital with Max and being the little gold digger she was that just got kicked to the curb ...she was partying the night after Max fell at the mansion...wanting attention from Jonah...after that didnt work she got butt naked and killed herself. I don't feel bad for her. It was her choice...if she was truly sorry she would of packed her stuff and just left. Jonah did need this kind of drama while his son was dying. Rebecca was a selffish person. She had nothing to offer Jonah and his kids. She didnt have anywhere to go..no job..her family thought she was fine because she was living the good life with a rich white guy. 

Guest
Guest

psychos don't really leave crystal clean murder scenes.  crimes of passion are rarely as thought out as this seems to be.  she must be a master planner, but a irrational psycho as well, not likely. 

Guest
Guest

What I also find odd is that Jonah and Dina were by Max's bedside in the hospital, but not Rebecca. Why wouldn't Rebecca be there? Didn't she love Max, too? If she and Jonah were really thisclose, wouldn't he want her there with him? What if Max came out of the coma, wouldn't he want to see Rebecca as well as his mom and dad? Was Jonah angry at Rebecca? Is Dina such a drama queen that she would not allow Rebecca to be there? Hmmmm....  We have not heard even half of this story. I hope justice is done in this case. May the deceased rest in peace. God bless the families.

Guest
Guest

rebecca had motive to kill herself too if she had something to do with max's accident.  or jonah could have broken it off with her.  going from a grand life to making 35k a year at the eye clinic in a recession could drive someone over the edge

PriscillaAz
PriscillaAz

She is Rebecca's 14 yr old sister. She had arrived from Missouri the day before to spend her two week vacation. She called 911 while Rebecca tried to help Max.

Guest
Guest

the sheriff reported that the child was not shacknai's kid, but some relative of rebecca

Guest
Guest

 I was thinking that maybe the girl was involved in horse play with the young boy and that she pushed him down the stairs : (

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

I don't think Adam had anything to do with anything.  I think it was Dina, the ex-wife.  She was violent in nature as Jonah never had problems like that with his first wife, Kimberly, or with Rebecca.  He's smarter than that.  If he wanted Rebecca to disappear, she would...DISAPPEAR, not be hung out the balcony in an obvious homicide.  The cops know it's obvious, but they can't taint the jury pool in telling the public what's been going on because Dina Shacknai can afford a team of top lawyers and as one cop said, they "only have on shot at this and we have to make sure it's right".  That points to the fact that I'm sure they have a suspect in mind and are putting a case together but aren't going to take any risks that she will be let off due to publicity about the case and jury selection.  

Jennifer Dean
Jennifer Dean

I think they were all involved..remember it was Shacknai who invited his distant brother to come out. 

Guest
Guest

you'd probably lose your money on that one.  so she leaves her only son's bedside, when he is in an coma, to go back to jonahs house?  and she shows up and rebecca just lets her in? or if she knows a way in she pops into rebecca's room because she knows she is alone and sleeping?  seems to me dina would have to know a lot of things about whats going on at the house not to wake anyone.  and if rebecca let her in, i'm sure rebecca would be suspicious of her being there in the middle of the night.  i'm sure dina had friends and relatives come down too, so they don't know where she is?  suicide is the only logical explanation 

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

When I say "her husband was with her", I mean, her husband was with Rebecca.  Not only that, Jonah's first marriage to Kimberly was not acrimonious except for the fact that Jonah said to her on their honeymoon that perhaps it was a mistake that he married her. So, he was honest, at least, but Kimberly stayed and they had two children who are now teenagers and their 13-year-old daughter was the one who called 911 about Max.  There were no reports of abuse in that union.  His relationship with Rebecca was said to be harmonious and that "they got along great" and sometimes worked out together.  She was said to be "happy and smiling" and a "fitness freak", so she had endorphins going all the time and took pride in her appearance.  Not the type to kill themselves.  Dina, however, seemed to be the instigator in the marriage woes with Jonah and the dog scratches perhaps mean that she was the aggressor, as anyone knows that dogs only attack the aggressor.  He had no problems outside his relationship with Dina.  Rebecca was loved and respected by her family and coworkers.  According to police reports, Dina freaked out at the idea of Jonah leaving her and was physical with him, prompting the dog to react.  Dina didn't want that divorce, she was from Redwood City and marrying Jonah was like hitting the lottery, and she didn't want to give that up.  Rebecca would never hang herself, much less nude, as females never do that.  Females do poisons if they want to kill themselves, men prefer firearms and hanging.  Rebecca was close to her family, and probably would never put her family through that trauma of finding her deceased in that manner.  Think about it.  

PriscillaAz
PriscillaAz

Additionally: "However, Paul Redden tells RadarOnline.com exclusively: "The test results from the polygraph that I gave Adam Shacknai were inconclusive, therefore, I wasn't able to form an analysis from the results of the polygraph test. Adam did not necessarily pass or fail the test. Whenever I deal with an inconclusive result, I always recommend a follow-up test. I have never been asked to do a follow-up test for Adam Shacknai."http://www.radaronline.com/exc...

Jennifer Dean
Jennifer Dean

I heard that the police only called Rebeccas family twice!! And they never even asked the questions about Rebeccas mental status. They called her family to tell them about the murder & then they called to tell them it was a suicide. Her family tried to contact the police several times & they never called them back. This case smells of a big fat cover up & lasy police!! I think they ALL had something to do with Rebeccas death (the boyfriend, the ex-wife & the brother). Why is there no information about the aliby that the boyfriend and the ex-wife gave? Was the aliby ever chacked into and solidly confirmed? Who was that mystery person who supposidly left a message on Rebeccas phone that Max was not going to make it? Why all the secresy with this case? Why not just tell us everything at the press conference? And whats up with a news helicopter taking a picture of the balcony that Rebecca jumped off and there was no red rope and the door was shut!? When the cops released a photo there was red rope hanging and the door was open! This is the most obvious cover up I have ever seen. Why isnt anyone stepping in to check this out? It breaks my heart that Rebeccas family has to pay investigators & lawyers to get the police to do their job!! Check out this photo of the balcony pictures from the police & from the news helicopter...

http://www.radaronline.com/sit...

dj6988
dj6988

Your right on Meagan!  Murder!

dj6988
dj6988

What does UT stand for?

Guest
Guest

actually naked suicide is not uncommon.  there are many theories about why people commit suicide naked, one caught my attention: "In severely depressed individuals, a naked suicide may be an expression of vulnerability, utter despair, desolation, and worthlessness. Psychotic patients may be responding to delusions or auditory hallucinations commanding them to commit suicide while naked as a self-abasement"

if jonah was giving her the boot and she felt responsible for max's death, she could have become deeply depressed. 

marilyn monroe was found nude too

abc
abc

That is true , she is a christian and she is a play girl, she like to party,She is a prostitute / caregiver, she didn't have anywhere to go. She is a refugee from burma. she play she pay. this is Us not burma.She can do like that in home town in chin state in burma not in usa.

Filmbuff
Filmbuff

Where would I go to claim the award for solving this crime? I'm pretty sure it was the butler now that I've thought about it some more.

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

Also, Adam didn't arrive until after the accident with Max.  He arrived because Max had an accident and was there to be with his brother during the crisis.

Guest
Guest

what does being from redwood city have to do with anything?  redwood city is west bay, a closet goes for 750k there.  i could see if you said san jose or something.  doesn't dina have a PhD?  and rebecca was a eye technician? do you even get a certificate for that? I think it was rebecca thinking she hit the jackpot.  dina had her own career

hope
hope

REOPEN  (Zahau's, new investigation/new investigators}  not REVIEW  (Shacknai, same SDSO 1/2 info, letter was PR attempt & pre-emptive strike).If you don't believe Suicide, please sign:

http://www.change.org/petition...

TeXan1111
TeXan1111

i've heard that most women who commit sucide they hope they can be found butt naked.  

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

In a box of Cracker Jacks.  The convenience stores are still open, go for it!

Guest
Guest

the dog guy is a 'witness' too, that is what the sheriff is calling everyone they are interviewing

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

Or, he could have said that to protect Adam, but Adam had NO motive to kill her, at least as the evidence appears now.  The police have given differing stories.  One is that her hands never appeared to be bound, the next one said they were definitely bound.  Another one says that her feet were bound but that Adam had cut the hand binding while attempting to revive her after calling 911.  Money can cover up many things, and cases that involve millionaires are handled differently than just normal people, because wealthy people can afford major defense teams and are armed with business credibility.  However, Jonah has hardly any lawsuits against him, and appears in videos pre-scandal as a calm, sensible person.  There is a demeanor about him that lends credibility to the fact that of course, he would divorce Dina and her weird physical altercations, as he wasn't about that.  I still don't think Jonah or Adam were involved in any of this, but Rebecca was picked up for shoplifting in 2009 (see radaronline.com, they have the mugshot and story), so it could be that she was trying to keep up with Jonah and be appealing to him while dating him, because she was dating him at the time and it was at Macy's and for $1,000 in jewels, so perhaps she would feel vulnerable in Adam's presence, but Dina by all accounts is no stranger to violence when it appears the blood Shacknai family is not.

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

That's also a possibility, but the appearance of the apparently prolific attorney, who had been a two-time district DA, Paul Pfingst is curious.  He appeared two hours after Rebecca's body was found, then again on the 18th, when he told reporters that he was there to represent someone "involved in the case", but that it was not Jonah, and that he hadn't spoken to him.  As I said, if it were Adam, there would have been communication, so it had to be Dina, the only other one named by police as a "witness" to Rebecca's death.

InDepthThinker
InDepthThinker

He was in Tennesee, or at least if not, the investigators will be able to prove that with all kinds of a paper trail.  Dina was the violent one.  Take it from me, as a woman, we don't like being forced by our wealthy husbands into losing our nests, and other women calling the little people we went through labor to have as theirs, and raised, doesn't make momma happy, and I don't even have kids or have ever had issues with those things, only the imagination of emotions if those things would have happened.

Rxhoop
Rxhoop

also, it would make sense adam would want to cut her down from the hanging position to cover himself for his prints being on her body when he killed her.....

Rxhoop
Rxhoop

Why couldn't Adam have been there when Max fell, left the scene to not cause any suspicions, and then reappeared later as to look like he was there to offer emotional support to his brother?

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